Even with an empty stadium, Croatia still couldn’t keep themselves drama-free after the match.
Eurosport has reported that the Italian Football Federation has formally complained about a ‘swastika’ etched in the Poljud pitch for the Croatia/Italy Euro 2016 qualifier Friday night in Split. The match was already being played behind closed doors due to racist fan behavior by the Croatians in their last match against Norway.
Now the savez will have to deal with this.
Does it look like a man-made swastika? Yes.
Did the HNS know this before the match? Who knows.
But what really intrigues me about all of this is that the Croatian contingent was notified of the news sometime in the first half and tried to clean up the symbol during halftime, Eurosport reported.
Not all the news is out yet, but the HNS did not play dumb or admit guilt, they just tried to clean it up as fast as possible. And if found guilty, will UEFA come down hard on the HNS with more closed games or even a deduction in points? Stay tuned.
With the 1-1 draw vs. Italy, Croatia maintain their two point lead ahead of the Italians for top spot in the group.
The Jews, therefore, persecuted Christ, as the Gospel very clearly indicates, and Christ spoke to the Jews, not to other nations.
– Saint Augustine
Tractates on the Gospel of John 89:1
Jews means Judeans.
John 19:19
[19] scripsit autem et titulum Pilatus et posuit super crucem erat autem scriptum Iesus Nazarenus rex Iudaeorum.
Iudaeorum means Judeans.
Sveti Ante moli za Hrvate
Saint Anthony of Padova the Hammer of Heretics
@Elvis
So it looks like I was calling people Jews who wern’t even Jews. I didn’t know that they’re not even Jews, this is amazing, and they’re the ones who coined the term anti-semitism and they’re not even Semites. The word anti-semitism should never be seen on any of these posts ever again. Below is something I just read.
In this it will be shown that the cry of “anti-Semitism” hurled against those who do oppose the international actions of ones calling themselves Jews, would be much like an immigrated Scotsman to America deciding to live on an Apache Indian reservation, coming to dominate its politics and economics, and then claiming that anyone disagreeing with his political and social agenda is racist and anti-Apache in their beliefs.
Big thanks to Elvis. This is my last post, I have nothing more to say.
@Ante Hammer of Heretics
Khazars?
The Twelve Apostles are surely Semites, when they believed in Christ and became Catholic Christians they remain Semites. Saint Paul was a Pharisee became a Christian. My last post.
@Croatian Person I know Judaism (Pharisaism) is a religion, they say they have a belief in the one true God which they don’t. We Catholics believe Jesus is God, they don’t. They hate our religion as much as we hate theirs. For example if I was a Jew (Judean) and became a Catholic I still remain a Jew. Where you wrote Judaism I thought you meant to write Judean.
Further on that note, and my last post about this (Ante I am not knocking you) Judaism isn’t even a race it is a religion although we’re taught to believe the opposite by the mainstream media.
Prle, thanks for the links & info.
It was an excerpt from an article called the meaning of anti-semitism. Like you said Jewish race and Zionism two different things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
Adding to what Ante Hammer of Heretics is saying. (Ante, if this is what you are NOT saying or implying then I apologize for assuming)
Zidovi have hijacked the word “anti semite.” They are not the world’s only semitic people. Although the media has done a good job at making us believe that this is the case. Judaism and Zionism are 2 DIFFERENT things, FYI for anyone thinking they are the same, (although no one brought it up). I feel that most people including hrvati think they are the same. I work with many zidovi who are AGAINST zionism and they are cool like anyone else.
After all that has already been said, it will be easy to deal with the question of anti-Semitism. What is meant by the term? It means hatred of the Jews as a race. The Jews, however, use the word to designate any form of opposition to themselves, and they strive persistently to associate irrationality and want of balance with the term. They evidently want the world to believe that anyone who opposes Jewish pretensions is more or less mentally deranged.
Now, first of all, it must be remarked that the term is too wide and too loose. The Arabs are doubtless Semites. Yet the Arabs in Palestine, on account of their opposition to Jewish domination, are anti-Semites. From an article called the meaning of anti-semitism. Mel Gibson for example hates how they start all the wars in the world, not the Jewish race.
These incidents have nothing to do with racism or antisemitism.
They are provocations. Acts to provoke a reaction. Croatia doesn’t even have a formidable extreme right party that can compete for office.
In Western europe, fringe and extreme right parties are IN office.
Ok,two things-
1 I am not “Ante Hammer of Heretics” I am Ante ZSD.
2 This all seemed rather well planned.Very interesting and concerning times are ahead.Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it.
If this happened on a pitch in the U.S. or Western Europe the authorities would immediately seek out these fringe racists and bring them to justice. There would be no punishment to that Countries FA who would be viewed as victims of vandalism.
But, before we jump to saying it’s not fair, we should really look at the overwhelming amount of racist behavior. It’s embarrassing to read some of the anti-Semitic comments in this thread or to see large groups of fans at the HNS games showing their heil salutes.
Before the Serbs continue to pile on they should realize that they are lumped in with Croatia and the rest of Eastern Europe because the whole area is living 50 years behind the rest of the developed world.
I’m incredibly embarrassed and hope that the authorities can find the vandals and uncover their motives. I’m not jumping to any conclusions and hope UEFA can do the same. Regardless of the motive it’s time for us to wake up to the racist behaviors and address it head on.
http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php/kolumna-damir-pesorda/138-arhiva-stari-hrsvijet-net-2/10127-tetna-mistifikacija
Here, I saved you the trouble:
http://www.hkv.hr/izdvojeno/komentari/d-dijanovi/8913-osvrt-na-knjigu-anelka-mijatovia-o-bruni-buiu.html
majstore,
That prophecy is falsely attributed to Bruno Bušić. He never said it nor did he write it.
It cannot be found in any of his books or writings. And it has been debunked for years now.
You can google articles on the topic. If you have any trouble finding them, let me know.
We are our own worst enemy!
http://themladichi.com/kolumne/reakcije/svastika/
Hrvati su je opljačkali. Evanđelje po Brunu Bušiću, 1975. (“Da smo složni i čestiti davno bi imali državu. A bit će nje, rodit će se slobodna Hrvatska kad padne Berlinski zid i kad se budu rušila komunistička krvava carstva kao kule od karata. Nema ni jedne države da je nastala bez krvavih gaća. Vjerojatno ćemo se i mi morati pobiti za slobodu sa Srbima, a možda i s Turcima. Teret rata morat ćemo podnijeti svi podjednako …
No kad se oslobodimo srpskog ropstva i stvorimo državu, vidjet ćete kako tek naši kradu. Svak’ nas je stoljećima krao i potkradao, a najteže i najgore će biti kad nas naši budu krali te prodavali svjetskim jebivjetrima i
makro lopovima. Navalit će na nas kao velike ptice grabljivice. Tada će biti najveće i nerješivo pitanje – kako nas tada spasiti od nas samih?”)
hahaha…
another good comment I agree with:
“E, tu se ne slažem s tobom, Jure. Ako navijaš za nekoga, voliš neki klub, onda ga voliš i bodriš, uvijek i bez obzira na sve! Jer klub je uvijek iznad pojedinca, predsjednika, gazde, trenera, igrača..”
go to Goal.com Ziva…its still on!
Accurate. Can also add in the jugo scum and how they fall into this mess as well.
The point deduction or possibly worse will be known mid-July.
I read this quote from a guy online today…there was an open forum on Goal.com…
“Svi smo mi ostali ljubitelji nogometa taoci dva kluba,u zagrebu imamo dinamo kojem je mamić na čelu i svi znamo sve o njemu,a pak u splitu imamo torcidu kojoj su svi krivi zbog hajduka kojeg su sami uništili.
Sa ovakvim potezima samo gube među običnim navijačma simpatije i na kraju če i jedni i drugi puknuti.”
actually, this is a good comment!
That question wont matter to UEFA. All they will care about is that it did happen and under the eyes of the savez.
By the way, there are some of you on this site who always make excuses for for our actions and some were quick to point to what BiH did against Isreal on Friday. Don’t worry, UEFA is looking into that as well. They will be fined. I don’t know what their recent history is, so I doubt they get hit with a closed stadium ban.
Ziva,
here’s the issue when it comes to even UEFA. First, there were no fans allowed in the stadium. Second, the HNS took control of the stadium last Monday and UEFA took control of it the day before the match. The only people allowed in the stadium were HNS, MUP, the grounds keepers that laid down the new drainage and sodded the field, and finally UEFA. There are reports that the swastika was seen 2 days before while the teams were training yet, if that is the case, shouldn’t the UEFA officials have seen it as well? The thing is, UEFA can’t blame hooligans on this since the stadium was not only going to be empty for the game but it was secure for much of the week by the Savez, the police, and finally UEFA, in other words, this was most likely an inside job and if it was someone from the police its not out of the realm of possibility that someone with power put him up to it. The question then would be who?
Correct……but, it likely wont help us with UEFA.
Rumor has it that a key person of interest is a police officer.
OK you’re no help.
100 Kuna and cold beer should do it.
The place could use a new paint scheme.
Hey Ziva do you have any contacts at the Split Stadium? I wanna find out how much they’d charge to hold a 3 day paintball tournament there.
Why all the hate on Mamic and Suker, remember we’re not perfect, nobody’s perfect. Suker at France 98 came close to perfection though.
Mamic remains quiet – he gets a new stadium in Zagreb because we can no longer play in Split with all the hooligans. Suker gets the gov’t to agree and then Mamic owns the stadium. This is about money….Suker is involved -all he cares about are his pockets just like the other corrupt sob’s. For those of you that keep talking about facist’s and udba this has nothing to do with the current issue – This is a Suker /Mamic conspiracy.
@Anonymous How about all those Heretics who always say the Catholic Church is man made, if you consider Jesus Christ both God and Man then it is man made. I’ve heard that many times and the only reason they say it is because they went out from us, manifesting themselves as antichrists. [1 john 2:18-19]
Saint Irenaeus Against Heresies Book III Chapter 3:2
The very great, the very ancient, and unviversally known Church founded and organised at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul. Come back to the sheepfold anonymous apostate.
They do……they know who did it.
They don’t have video cameras in the stadium?
On a serious note, how about this for a punishment, if UEFA think Croatian fans are responsible punish them by not selling any tickets to them for the Euros. I don’t understand what sort of message punishing the players sends. And play the rest of the qualifiers with no fans.
They have motive, they’re the only ones who benefit out of this whole affair. Just havin some fun with it.
Why??? What??? What are the Italians to blame for? No need to be a blind homer.
I would be looking at the Italian officials then. I didn’t know they wanted top spot so badly, do they not know that top two qualify directly.
It was more evident live than on tv screen. Italian tv broadcasters were discussing it in the first half.
I watched the game live on TV and didn’t even notice the Swastika, perhaps the person who spotted it knew what he was looking for and something about how it got there. I went to goal.com to check the player ratings and only then found out about it.
That was just a case of being dumb and drunk. Idiots….
What about our fans who done the human swastika which was also against Italy in 2006 in a friendly was that also a set up as well or are our fans just being racist?
What we know……swastika was on the pitch. That is all UEFA needs to know. Inside job or not, won’t matter. Public image doesn’t look good.
Mamic controls Puppet Suker, but he needs to stay away from this. His remarks would only add flames to this.
Mamic isn’t the president of the savez, nor does he have anything to do with this, what exactly would you like to hear from him?
Any punishment would be cause for speculation. No one knows what happened.
Wouldn’t impact the ratings. Mamic needs to remain quiet. His comments wouldn’t help. Savez needs to be proactive ask for 3 pt deduction and next 5 home games w/ no fans.
Mamic has been quiet too, havent heard anything from him at all. Wonder what he will have to say about all of this lol
Also, if they make us drop points, would that effect fifa rankings. Italy vs Cro was a big match for potential pot 1 vs 2 World Cup qualifier rankings. After the draw I believe we looked set to be a pot 1 team if I am correct but dunno.
Maybe it was ink from World War Two in the grass. They find bombs every now and then. I think this was old german ink. Nazi ink was the best in the world.
I’m thinking 3 pt deduction. I’ve heard 6 pts mentioned. Have to see how other situations played out. What say you cro sports nation? 3 pts too much or just right?
Damages baby, damages…….the pitch was damaged under the savez’s watch…….compensation must follow.
An organization cannot suffer emotional damages and what financial loss was suffered? Ziva Istina, we know you think you are a know it all, but don’t play lawyer. It makes you sound even more stupid than usual.
@Anonymous – Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. – Saint Ignatius Letter to the Smyrneans. Believe and you will understand. Like Cardinl John Henry Newman said, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” He converted from Anglicanism and became a member of the Catholic Church which is the Body of Christ. Ask yourself who started your church.
However most news articles are reporting that it was a chemical agent used 24-48 hours before kickoff.
I can’t find the article now, but if you google around you will find it, apparently the swastika was not there in the morning whatsoever and it wasn’t until before kickoff that it was noticed and brought to the attention of the HNS. Doesn’t sound right.
Before????? No, not that I am aware. Italian TV picked up on it in the first half.
Did anyone know of the swastika before the game?
Meaning someone associated with the ruling political party.
Hajduk is a nonissue here. They didn’t touch the field since Monday. The savez has their own turf/field/grass expert. He was in charge of the pitch. That is why if hajduk has any sense of humor and wants to continue the shit show with the saves they should file a lawsuit against the savez for financial and emotional damages suffered as a result of this. Then they should ask for financial considerations as well because the field is damaged.
Inside job means what in this case? When you use that term, I see it as some Hajduk grounds keepers conspiring with some people from Split, trying to sabotage the savez! If this is what you mean, I agree…if not, what do you mean?
Inside job or not (and let’s not kids ourselves, we all know this is an inside job)’ it won’t matter to UEFA. We will still get a fine and point deduction. Outside of a full confession by someone in power, the reeks is going to get hit.
I’ve mentioned Pupovac on here….good article!
http://www.hkv.hr/izdvojeno/komentari/djl/20571-kome-moze-odgovarati-kukasti-kriz-na-poljudu-a-kome-ne.html
Doktore,
I was about to write the same thing. The culprit still has not been found and, again, that to me is a huge tell tale sign that it’s an inside job.
By the way, there is word that a police officer is alleged to be the culprit. A member of communist Minister Ranko Ostojic’s ministry of internal affairs.
Nothing official, as of now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX7wxnMHWUM
22 seconds of truth
The individual(s) that created the swastika on the pitch are in the employ of the UDB-a recidivists that are diretctly tied to the ruling party of SDP (Zoran Milanovic).
Because Croatia is overrun by neo-communist media and non-governmental organizations that are in fact neo-communist and Yugoslav, they have created a sensationalist and hysterical atmosphere, as if SS-paratroopers landed on the pitch. They have created a modern-day witch hunt.
All these organizations live off of a phantom “fascism” to justify their “antifascism” and to justify government grants. They are highly paid to hate and subvert Croatia.
The HNS, run by Mamic, also uses this “antifascism” to deflect criticism over corruption, crimes and his hegemony over Croatian football. That’s why even the HNS is outspoken in condemning anything “fascist,” whether it really is or not. UDB-a also has its hands in the HNS, and many people believe that this is all one huge farce, as Mamic, Milanovic, et al battle over the Croatian Football Federation.
Whoever created the swastika on the pitch is an anti-Croat. That is for sure.
The communists and other leftists are having a field day with this latest paid and ordered for incident. They literally live off of accusing the entire Croatian nation of fascism and Nazism.
They literally make their living off of portraying the entire Croatian nation as worse than the German National-Socialists themselves.
Open any paper in Croatia, turn on any TV program, you’ll continually be bombarded with “fascism,” “Nazism,” “racism,” etc…
Croatia is an Orwellian nightmare.
Sorry guys, wanted to see if anyone has heard of any updates on swastika thing. I can’t find anything so far.
http://direktno.hr/en/2014/sport/
A few interesting reads here as well.
Hey guys, just curious to see what everyone thinks regarding this whole thing
1, If UEFA takes action, what do you think they will do to the national team?
2, Who do you think did it? (the creating of the swastika) and why?
Interesting to see how this plays out to say the least.
Christianity branched out of Catholicism. I don’t know what you’re saying anonymous.
You’ve raised interesting points and I’m glad you’ve mentioned UEFA’s treatment of Croatia. It is obviously to all, or at least it should be, that Croatia is UEFA/FIFA’s guinea-pig of sorts.
Millions will suffer over the actions of a tiny minority. It’s always been the case. It’s just not a fair exchange.
All the nonsense, corruption, “racism,” etc… notwithstanding.
Bunch of defeatists. If UEFA bans Croatia from Euro 2016 it will be a travesty and utterly ridiculous. The ass holes who sprayed the chemical on the pitch are probably bankrolled by UEFA. Why should Croatia fans the world over suffer over the actions of a minority group of morons? It takes years to cultivate and produce players of Rakitic, Modric, and Mandzukic’s calibre and this all goes for naught because of a few saboteurs? Anyone who thinks Croatia should be banned needs to seriously consider why and for what purpose. Does the punishment fit the crime?
Also you guys that hate ‘puppet’ Suker are hard to understand. If it wasn’t for Suker young Denis Svircic may never have developed a strong bond with soccer and never launched this site. Tell me any of you would follow Croatia if Suker never played for Croatia or wasn’t such a goal scoring talent bringing huge success to the national team. I read someone stating he never celebrated goals if he didn’t score them? How old are you 7? For f’s sake grow up.
Buddy, you have strange ideas about victory.
We were toying with the Serb, but that flew over your head.
Who cares about Serbia*****
@ anonymous
Yea he provoked. And people fell for that shit like little girls. Who cares Serbia and what some Serb posts. He won. Got what he wanted.
@Ante
Catholicism and eastern orthodoxy are both incorrect. They are man made religions, and man’s way of serving God. They are not God’s way. God wants you to have a personal relationship with him. Religious repetitions will not get you into heaven. You must repent of all your sins and confess with all your heart that Jesus is your lord and saviour, only then will you inherit the lord’s kingdom.
Doing the cross, and going to church is not enough. And nobody is born a Christian, we are all born sinners and unless you get saved you will be going to hell. Catholic, Orthodox are just titles, to be a Christian, is to be Christ like. We must unite as Christians and spread the Gospel to lost sinners, that is our duty as Christians. Not divide.
The 2nd commandment also states that you must not have graven images or idols. The 10 commandments are crucial to living according to God’s will. Catholics break that commandment every time they kiss their crucifix or bow down to idols.
Jesus is the way and the truth, repent of your sins, live right and read your Bible. God bless.
Born again is Baptism with water and the Holy Spirit. But if you read Jude 1:19 you find that the sensual men who separate themselves have not the Spirit. The Spirit remains in the Body of Christ which is the Catholic Church and all the members within keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace, the separated members have not the Spirit because the Holy Spirit is not divided against Himself like that unclran spirit. So schismatics and protestants have not the same Spirit as the Catholic. No need to mention Jews and Muslims because they don’t baptise.
John 3: 3
Sorry I meant to write,
Serbia = Jednom smo i mi bili vjerni
Karadzic je heroj says so called Croats converted Serbs to Catholicism. Why that would make the so called Croats who converted the Serb Greek schismatics good people for converting them to the true faith. Croat or Serb doesn’t matter so long as you are Catholic. The Serbs converted because they wanted to convert. Like Saint John of Damascus said in his work an exposition of the orthodox faith, and I quote.
He who does not believe according to the tradition of the Catholic Church is an unbeliever. Book IV Chapter 10
Croatia = Uvijek Vjerni
Serbia = Nekad smo i mi bili vjerni
What is a bre?
Ma koji kurac bre čovječe? Daj od jebi već jedanput!
Karadzic je u pakao. Greek krivoslavci who call themselves Serb, like Saint Edmund Campion said and this applies to all Greek schismatic Serbs, when you condemn Catholics you condemn all your own ancestors. Your ancestors were Catholic you Serb idiot. If it wasn’ t for Michael Cerularius you would still be Catholic you Serb Idiot or should I say ignoramus.
I like Anonymous’ comments, however I disagree on the point where he said Hitler was smart. The Jews do run the banks which rule the world, but they rule the condemned world. Here is another quote from Saint Augustine that will clear it up.
“But see, that which persecutes is called the world; let us prove whether that also which suffers persecution is called the world. What! Are you deaf to the voice of Christ who speaks, or rather to Holy Scripture which testifies, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. If the world hate you, know ye that it first hated Me. See, the world hates. What does it hate but the world? What world? God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. The condemned world persecutes; the reconciled world suffers persecution. The condemned world is all that is without the Church; the reconciled world is the Church. For He says, The Son of Man came not to judge the world, but that the world through Him may be saved.”
So you see that the Jews hate Christ, and Christ was of their race according to the flesh, that makes them anti-semites. And Poglavnik Dr. Ante Pavelic’s wife was of the Jewish race. If you understand that anti-semitism means hatred of the Jewish race which it does, then Poglavnik Dr. Ante Pavelic was never an anti-semite, same goes for many of the Ustase who were also married to Jewish women. The Jews are very clever they are actually persecuting the reconciled world, all the while getting the world to believe the Catholic Church persecuted them.
oh who cares about the lawn?
We can always watch our players playing for their clubs, there is too much football on nowadays anyway. I hope UEFA do kick us out.
I was just watching Croatian TV and they uefa will kick Croatia out and they will never be allowed to play in uefa anymore.
Praise to Him, glory to Him. “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel.” For He is the God of Israel, our God, the God of Jacob, the God of the younger son, the God of the younger people. Let none say, Of the Jews said He this, I am not Israel; rather the Jews are not Israel. For the elder son, he is the elder people reprobated; the younger, the people beloved. “The elder shall serve the younger:” Genesis 25:13 now is it fulfilled: now, brethren, the Jews serve us, they are as our satchellers, we studying, they carry our books. Hear wherein the Jews serve us, and not without reason….With them are the Law and the Prophets, in which Law, and in which Prophets, Christ is preached. When we have to do with Pagans, and show this coming to pass in the Church of Christ, which before was predicted of the Name of Christ, of the Head and Body of Christ, lest they think that we have forged these predictions, and from things which have happened, as though they were future, had made them up, we bring forth the books of the Jews. The Jews forsooth are our enemies, from an enemy’s books convince we the adversary. – Saint Augustine Exposition of the Psalms 41:13 Anti Catholicism that’s what’s going on in the world we live in.
@stipe
Fuck you weak minded…the dude provokes, dobit ce on svoje.
Coming to think of it now this swastika is nothing new. I see it all over Dubrovnik on walls in alleyways, on the side of a tisak in the middle of tourist filled lapad bay. There are at least 3 or 4 graffitied around a 1 mile mile radius near my grandmas. Sick fucks putting us good Croats to shame.
@GBVH, my cousin was at the first Italy match and he said the same shit, except the Italians basically started it and we got the blame.
complete aside, but attended cro-italy and cro-spain in poland for euro.
for the latter, we were in the heart of the cro section. this after they already got shat on for throwing flares. so game about to start and some guy in the row right in front of us, dressed in black, tatts, shaved head (doesn’t count for anything I know, but not wearing cro colours) … throws a flare onto the section below… and runs away.
i emailed uefa .. didn’t hear back of course.
anyway, for what it’s worth …
Majstore, you won’t find many stories…it is socially accepted in Serbia to beat your wife, smash her face, put her head into a wall and then the police look the other way…they are the dirtiest and most barbaric people on this planet!
You guys are a bunch of weak minded idiots.
Karadžić je Heroj Says some stupid shit, then half you guys start flipping out. That guy won, he got exactly what you wanted, everyone starts talking shit about Serbs. Like who cares what he says . Brush it off, this article is about some fucking dumbass painting that disgusting shameful shit on the field and we get into and argument about Serbs . Who cares what that guy said. The WAR ENDED TWENTY YEARS AGO. it’s not the 90’s anymore . Lol
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-enterprise-serbia-domestic-violence-crisis-111210065.html
Karadžić je Heroj says:
“we hate you nazi scum and unlike croatia we will not want to be slave of germany (croatia love it kurvats) when we have soccer game we are respectful people we do not chant nazi slogan try to kill another….”
Ha ha ha you mean like your recent match against Albania?!?
Too funny, Karadjic je Djubar. Thanks for that!
Prle,
It’s impossible to discuss or debate with the Serbs, their version of history is not only distorted, they have written it regardless of fact. It’s well known they repeat the same lies and disregard any facts….so I ask you Prle, why would you afford a dummy a second of your time?
I’ve also debated/argued with many of them and even when their own have backed my argument, they will not accept a fact that doesn’t suit their bullshit story.
Serbian people are victims of having mentally challenged leaders such as Milosevic, Karadzic and even this new asshole they have representing them….they are poor, hungry and thrive on corruption….Serbia is the Wild West of the Balkans and their citizens do not want reform or to modernize their political system, nor do they want to change laws to reflect western influence….they hate accountability.
Serbia has one of the worst epidemics of wife beaters in the entire world and yet, it is not reported or documented. Police turn a blind eye to it, the women are often shamed into staying with their abusive, drunk spouses….why would they acknowledge anything that is factual about life or history when they don’t even have to be accountable in their own homes?
They are cavemen, drunks, unshaven and dirty just like Turks, Greeks and Arabs!
Great book Prle, first came across it at University as it was on the course readling list for a History of East Central Europe. Our Polish prof did a good job of shredding all things Yugo / Serb propaganda in that class.
@karadzic je govnar
Chetnik Collaboration & Genocide | The Espresso Stalinist http://espressostalinist.com/genocide/chetniks-collaboration-genocide/
@karadzic je govnar
Srebrenica Genocide Blog: FORGOTTEN 1943 GENOCIDE BY NAZI CHETNIK FASCISTS http://www.srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com.au/2007/12/forgotten-1943-genocide-by-nazi-chetnik.html?m=1
Nothing like dumb fucking Serb (Karadzic je heroj) who can’t detect sarcasm to brighten your Saturday. LOL
The swastika on the pitch was not motivated by politics or racism, it wasn’t some neo-Nazi who did it.
But rather, it was someone trying to get back at the Croatian FA. Their goal was to sabotage the event, and they’ll be jumping for joy when the Repka and HNS gets severely punished.
To say the act was motivated by a political ideology is to give these guys too much credit, instead they did it to embarrass, insult, and sabotage HNS so they get fined and punished–that was there NUMBER ONE objective here.
Karadzicu, majmune sa grane….
http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-History/dp/0890967601
@karadzic je govnar
Serbian skinheads 88 – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LlBzUJ6TvSE
doktor i have heard serbia ministry of foreign affairs say number similar like that but that include serbian men who fought in war 2 million might be wrong but 2 million is confirmed if we say 3 million then croat can ask but only 2 million is confimred you serb lie lie lie to make croat seem evil so 2 million is still show that croat ustasa scum are evil no doubt
It wasn’t 2 million, it was 5 million. Your numbers are off.
you idiot think that serbia has most neo nazis? we hate you nazi scum and unlike croatia we will not want to be slave of germany (croatia love it kurvats) when we have soccer game we are respectful people we do not chant nazi slogan try to kill another 2 million serbs but we fight when albanain come if they try to provocate just like croatia try to advocate with facist croat 91 and 41 and serb people rise up and squash croat facist but in 95 nato help so serbian people cannot finish the job
Srpska mi truba zatrubi iz toga sela Drenova Sprem`te se sprem`te četnici Silna će borba da bude Zagrmi Draža voјvoda Bacaјte bombe četnici! Iz ove naše pobede rađa se sunce slobode.
Butthurt Josipovic voters rearing their ugly faces.
Doktor Prle, you are nothing more than a propagandist and a travesty of the modern education system.
90 percent of the rest of you guys seem to be paranoid children.
Suker as a player used to not celebrate team victories if he didn’t score, but if he scored and his team lost he would still be happy. Same goes with all these incidents. He doesn’t protect Croatia’s name, but still gets money in his pocket. Boli ga znas sto. Metak u celo odmah.
Kukasti križ kao dio kampanje o fašističkoj Hrvatskoj
Vjekoslav Krsnik
Provokacija s kukastim križom na travnjaku splitskog stadiona uoči reprezentativnog susreta s Italijom nije nimalo bezazlena kad dovede u vezu s posljednjim događajima usmjerenim na diskreditaciju demokracije u Hrvatskoj koja idu tako daleko da nastoje Hrvatsku stvorenu u Domovinskom ratu proglasiti fašističkom državom. Treba podsjetiti da je začetnik te ideje sam bivši predsjednik Republike Ivo Josipović izjavom u izraelskom Knessetu o navodnoj ustaškoj guji u Hrvatskoj, ali i njegovim postupcima kojima je praktički osporavao uspostavu demokratske Hrvatske, što je najviše došlo do izražaja njegovim nastojanjem o povlačenju tužbe protiv Srbije za genocid i u podržavanju „lex Perković“.
Nakon njegovog poraza na predsjedničkim izborima skupina na čelu sa Stipom Mesićem, Zoranom Pusićem, Ivanom Fumićem i Vesno Teršelić formira fantomsku Antifašističku ligu. Oni u Hrvatskoj vide opasnost od fašizma, a sami se služe fašističkom retorikom, a istodobno uporno izbjegavaju odgovornost komunističkog režima za počinjene zločine. Sve je to sinkronizirano s četničkim izjavama najviših srbijanskih dužnosnika kojima u Hrvatskoj na čelu svojevrsne „pete kolone“ pomaže notorni i samozvani predstavnik srpske nacionalne manjine Milorad Pupovac kojega u toj manjini podupire samo 7,9 posto birača. Reagirajući na izjavu eurozastupnice Ruže Tomašić, Milorad Pupovac je u pismu predsjedniku Europskog partamenta Martinu Schulzu optužio Hrvatsku da u protekle tri godine tolerira političku i etničku netoleranciju i antimanjinsku atmosferu, iako to ne odgovara činjeničnom stanju, jer za razliku od brojnih država Europske unije Hrvatska ima poseban ustavni zakon koji brani njihova prava i osigurava im zastupljenost u parlamentu. Na tome Milorad Pupovac nije stao, nego je nedavno okupio osam zastupnika nacionalnih manjina koji su objavili Deklaraciju o nesnošljivosti i etnocentrizmu u Hrvatskoj. Tu deklaraciju proslijedili su Europskom uredu za ljudska prava i proširili je po svijetu, potpuno neutemeljeno napadajući i blateći Republiku Hrvatsku. Predsjednica Hrvatske konzervativne stranke Ruža Tomašić zatražila je da se u Saboru povede rasprava jesu li nacionalne manjine diskriminirane i na koji način.
Hrvatska je zbog navodnog jačanja etničke i vjerske netolerancije napadnuta i na međunarodnom planu u posebnom izvješću Ruskog ministarstva vanjskih poslova koje o tom pitanju u svjetlu ukrajinske krize optužuje zemlje članice Europske unije i NATO saveza. Rusko ministarstvo čak govori o neonacizmu u nekim dijelovima Hrvatske te da su agresivni nacionalizam, etnička i vjerska netolerancija usmjerani većinom protiv Srba te da je njih 30.000 pokatoličeno.
Kad se sve to ima u vidu, onda je očigledno da je Hrvatska u izbornoj godini propagandno i čak subverzivno napadnuta na unutarnjem i vanjskom planu. Stoga pojava kukastog križa na utakmici Hrvatska-Italija nije slučajna, jer su svjetski mediji to s obzirom na popularnost nogometa široko prihvatili stavljajući provokaciju u širi politički kontekst. Pri tome se postavljaju dva ključna pitanja. Prvo je, što rade hrvatske obavještajne službe da bi se spriječila takve provokacije kakve su bile za vrijeme Domovinskog rata postavljanje bombe na Židovsku općinu u Zagrebu i sjedište Pravoslavne crkve. Drugo je pitanje, zašto o cijeloj toj kampanji šuti službena Hrvatska, jer se može zaključiti da u izbornoj godini ovakvo etiketiranje može ići u prilog samo vladajućoj koaliciji suočenoj zbog nesposobnosti s gubitkom idućih izbora.
You’re absolutely correct that they won’t. The Savez has already admitted guilt.
As for explaining something to international bodies, whether they be UEFA or the EU commission, no one in their right mind can fathom that a country has so many traitors.
Croatia is a special needs country. And Croats are a special needs people.
Here is the problem…..no way UEFA will accept that excuse that is was an inside job. Savez will be laughed at with that excuse.
You*
Majstore,
I you hit the nail on the head.
I def think this was some kind of an inside job. Just like I think the trouble makers in Milan were paid saboteurs. I’m guessing an anti-HNS movement is trying to do anything and everything to make the savez look bad, and they are being allowed to do so by the sdp / udbas / commie government who are playing the anti hns forces like a fiddle for their own greater gain which will come out of this.
In closing, Croatians are a sick idiotic people on so so many levels it is not even funny anymore.
So when’s the next game!?
Here is the problem, people like Puppet Super are not going to get any sympathy. He hasn’t earned and lost it.
what is sad iwth this site is you have idiots talking about someone’s wife???
you have others on it that want our national team kicked out, imagine that
What did he say about the wife?
Actually the comments about Robert Kovac’s wife were worse by Ostojic.
Fucking commie serb scum!
Bijeli, Ostojic said something to the effect that if it was a red star there would have been more outrage from the Croatians and then he went on and on flapping his gums.
@t-bone
Spot on!
@ziva
What did the serb say on Facebook?
Amazing how unaware most of you are people who are trying to get Croatia out of the tournament.e Did you not notice that we have one of the top 5 sides in Europe right now? They can’t beat us on the pitch so they will do it politically. Lot of you posters sound dumb or have your heads so far up your asses. If you look at the country soccer and the national team are a big piece of what defines the country. Allow the soccer and wider media to report on and perpetuate a perception of Croatia as some sort of neo fascist backwater and its people become discredited and disrespected. Pathetic.
Ziva, again, if this is true, then who did it? I believe you said it yourself that the City of Split and Hajduk have no control of the stadium and that this was an HNS event. Closed Stadium, only a select few are allowed inside it, I would think it would be easy to catch whoever did this. Again, I didn’t see it and I watched the game, what I saw was a bunch of light colored likes that stretched from one sideline to the other spaced 2-3 yards apart and I’m sure you and everyone else saw that as well. Again, wouldn’t it be easy to find out who did it considering they should have a list of everyone who was working at the stadium the last few days prepping the field for the match plus, I’m sure there are security cameras in and around the entire stadium so, it can’t be too difficult to find the person who did this. As I said, I didn’t see anything on the pitch during the game because I wasn’t looking for something like that, who was? Now suddenly pics come out after the game.
What we don’t know is who did this. Was it someone from Split who was angry that HNS put the game in Split knowing that it was going to be played in an empty stadium so, that person did this to embarrass the HNS and if so, it backfired.
How do we know it wasn’t someone from FARE that put someone up to it to prove a point that Croatia is “fascist” in some way? People from that side, like that “journalist” Holiga gloating and having a field day with this.
At the same time, why didn’t anyone notice this during the game? Not a word until after the game when the talk was the Italian side noticed this.
What I do know…….Ostojic should be fired for his comments on Facebook last night. That was a cheap shot.
And for those of you diaspora hrvati asking yourselves at this very moment “who is Ostojic?”, well, I am afraid your parents have failed you yet again. Time for google my friends.
The swastika was most likely done by our guys, my guess Torcida calling out UEFA and the HNS, that they behave like Nazis with the stadium ban. However, the savez is run by a bunch of imbeciles, in that no one noticed this gigantic swastika on the field until the game started. I noticed it on TV as they were playing.
What the hell? Why the fuck does this shit keep on happening? I’m truly embarrassed, and so ashamed of this incident.
How could the perpetrator/perpetrators go in unnoticed, measure, spread the chemical, and leave without a trace?
Then have nobody notice the symbol before the game?
Blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the savez.
I’m pissed beyond reason. Shame, shame, shameful.
I cannot bare to support this team anymore. It just leaves you disgusted.
All signs are pointing towards disqualification. And maybe that’s for the best. The fans would’ve tainted the atmosphere in France anyway with more despicable racist conduct.
Let’s look at the last 18 or so months………
Suspension Joey takes a microphone and selfishly shouts out “za dom spremni” taking the celebration away from his teammates and placing spotlight on himself. He gets banned 10 games and finds no supprt from the teammates and HNS.
We play Norway and get hit with a stadium ban because of crowd chants of “za dom…..spremni”. We get hit one match behind closed door ban.
And then yesterday……….We have a reputation and UEFA is likely to act on this. It’s not like this is a first time for something like this.
I see all the talk about a possible inside job. I agree, it’s possible. But, what is also possible is this was done by a Hajduk supporter as well to make the savez look bad.
@stevie…..you sound like the kid who was caught in school doing something and you still maintain your innocence. Get over it, everyone saw it on the pitch and our own savez apologized for it. What planet do you live on?
I’m with Stevie, in the pics all I’m seeing is a bunch of lines that kind of look like a swastika. Definitely like cloud watching.
I am in the UK and this is being repeated on sky news all morning long. Fucking embarrassing!
Stevie, you are wrong. Front page of Bild.de (Rasen Attacke) with 60+ comments, kicker.de, guardian.co.uk and dailymail.co.uk all have prominent articles. I was too scared to look for more.
One of my good friends is in Ireland right now visiting family and he just texted me (its 7:30 ET) that there’s nothing in the Euro media over there about this and he’s been watching Sky Sports all morning. Now, if this is true, then whoever did this doesn’t have the National Teams best interest at heart. But, can you blame the Croatian fans for this? After all the game was played in an empty stadium with no fans allowed in the Stadium. On top of that, Hajduk and the city of Split have not control over the Stadium for an international game, the HNS has control and the stadium should have been on lock down with only select people allowed in. On top of that, aren’t there cameras in the stadium? So, if all this is the case and this really did happen, then I would think it would be easy to narrow it down and someone would have been caught by now. So, something smells rotten here.
As I said, I watched the game and I didn’t notice anything on the pitch during the game. I did what looked like lines going from one sideline to the other spaced about 2-3 yards apart and that was most likely due to the fact that the field was dug up and a new drainage system was put in place and new sod was put in and if you look at the pic I posted last night you can see the work on the field that was done (posted from Slobodna Dalmacija) and the canals that were dug for the drainage pipes. As someone pointed out in the comments, you can look in the clouds and see dolphins but that isn’t true so, someone can look on the field, see something that’s not there and suddenly you have half the people saying, “yeah, it really that…”
That is it. The individuals that are perpetrating and organizing these actions will accomplish their goal of getting Croatia disqualified. It is impossible to control everyone. It has been a nice run. We will probably get banned for a long time eventually and we will lose so many players from abroad and at home as they choose to play for other countries. And we can say “good bye” to the legendary checkered jersey as the PC crowd will insure it is connected with Nazism. Meanwhile Mamic will be rich and enjoying his life. Good job you fucking assholes for ruining a good a thing we had going. Who gives a shit if some Mafioso lines his pockets from player sales. There will always be crooks taking advantage of the system.
iPhone voice to text sucks makes me sound like a stupid Serbian
The problem is the communist poison has never left we are a proud Catholic people and that is always a threat to communism there is no greater crime to humanity then communism it destroys races cultures religions and freedom where has it ever worked in every country where it has been tried all you have is a small rich elite well the vast majority of people live in poverty and misery every time I hear us of some anti-racist shit it is always being pushed by sometime and his dog
Don’t humor that fucking Četnik with a response. That’s what he wants, the dumb fucking cigan.
@karadzic je govnar
First of dickhead, Serbia has the largest neo-nazi (skinhead ) movement in the Balkans.
And the Croatian grb has been in use way before ustasa had it.
It was even used at the time of kingdom of Yugoslavia, and after the ustasa, during the time of communist Yugoslavia.
Learn the history before commenting.
its not paint, maybe you guys don’t have lawn mowers in Serbia? Such a thing would be regarded as witchcraft in the villages of the Serbian wasteland.
here we go again… yes of course
nothing new in croatia
you ustase are still loving germany and austria? PAINTING SWASTIKAS for enslaving you hahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahaa serbian people would never praise slave masters because we are better (croats love germany/austria being slave)
i guess there is another reason croatia loves being a slave in austria (were not independent until 1991 and no more croats like in 1000 only catholic serbs)
reason is germany let so called croats ( avars) kill serbian people and convert million serbs to catholicism and kill another million in jasenovac with 100,000s dying outside of camp
now flash forward 1991. croatia keep same flag and same national anthem from nazi puppet state slave germany and more ethnic cleansing of serbs from republika srpska krajina people cheer on because of hollywood lies about srebrenica
now you paint swastika on field? after saying neo nazi chants?? looks like serbs was right again and you catholic serbs are a crazy insane bloodthirsty people who kill serb women and children because you know you are serb but pretend you are croat! croats die 1000 years ago when hungarian king decide to kill the king… now only albanian avars and catholic serbs who call self croat hahahahahahahahahhahaha
Can’t tell what’s more stupid, you guys saying we shouldn’t play at Poljud or Anonymous’ Croatian grammar.
@ANTE B
Tko radi? brate
This is embarrassing.
I think heavy sanctions are needed.
Point deductions are not enough.
This horrid behavior must end.
They need to disqualify them from the euros.
If this was a Croatian who did this or was behind this, fucking disgusting , Honestly, fucking shameful. I’m embarrassed
If this was a Croatian who did this or was behind this, fucking disgusting , Homestly, fucking shameful. I’m embarrassed
@Ante B
I know you love me
Pope Francis needs to replace Suker and all will be okay!
Don’t worry guys, Suker is Platini’s bitch so we’ll be fine. We’ll get a public smack to appease all the lefties, and then Suker will go back to being on his knees under Platini’s desk. Platini needs his minions after all, he’s got FIFA to take over.
Anonymous stop posting-you sound like a moron!
It is not a far stretch to think this was an inside job. You guys are right, this just doesn’t ‘feel’ right. I know that might seem like a cop out but this just doesn’t ‘feel’ right in personal opinion. I think a huge tell tale sign will be if they find the person and how they handle it publicly. If they don’t, I’m pretty confident it was inside. Rest assured they already know who did this.
Maminjo,
Sometimes I think you’re a complete moron but that post was epic.
Neskolovna budala!
Plus I’m sure those Jews would love a piece of jadran. They got fucked out of Cuba, they won’t make the same mistake twice.
Jews own the banks and media empire. That’s all you need to know and if you think this world is going in the right direction you have mental issues.
You’re an idiot*
Well I’m trying to educated your circumsition loving ass. Pobijedinici pišu povijest, aka Jews.
Anonymous your an idiot! And what do you do for a living teach anti-semitism?
Hitler killed Jews cause they rule the banks (which rule the world). He was the smartest man on this earth, you like it or not. His Germans were starving after ww1 cause the damn Jews controlled the banks (the goddamn economy) he gets rid of them and all of a sudden Germany is a world power. Make sense? He didn’t choose Jews for shits and giggles. Be a realist.
The FBI should investigate HNS. Now that would be interesting! Watch out Mr. Sucker
To all My beloved Croatian Brothers and Sisters, I am Croatian/Italian Proud more of Being Croatian, I always love Seeing Croatia beat Italy, We Are and should be always proud to be Croatian no matter what happens, others want to create problems for us so we can fall Down on our knees but we have to stand together always together and fight for the Honour of our beloved and beautiful Country Hrvatska !!!
Bog I Hrvati uvijek i zauvijek !!!
hns pederi nogometni ste sjebali !
Suker i have one message for you: mrs u picku materinu
Add in the fact they want Croatia to take in 700+ Africans I suspect this is definitely political in nature 100% a total setup.
There is literally nobody on our side…HNS, players, politicians…nobody, that is willing to simply say what I just said above.
UEFA and the West are completely ignorant. It’s not their fault. They don’t understand and they need to be told what’s going on. Instead, we have the HNS playing the storyline to save themselves, and the players just not wanting to get involved.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this was done by Holiga lol, look at him having the time of his life on twitter. This is what he lives for.
I can’t believe the lack of spine the HNS is showing.
Suker immediately admitting guilt, apologizing, and playing the helpless card in an attempt to make themselves look good and pretty much giving into the false storyline that there is some absurd Nazi element that exists in the Croatia fanbase.
When the Serbs got into that PHYSICAL brawl with the Albanians in their game (with players, fans, and EVEN stewards taking part in the fight)…there were no apologies coming from the Serb camp. They went on the offensive and blamed the Albanians and that drone/flag and everything.
This is much worse than any chant or symbol on the grass, but due to HNS not defending themselves, Cro will get penalties far worse than anything the Serbs and Albanians will ever get.
How are we being targeted by UEFA, but everything that occurs at the other qualifying matches (which are actually physically VIOLENT and filled with much more ACTUAL racism and anti-semitism) going completely unnoticed?
Didn’t BiH and Israel just play each other today in Sarajevo with a “Kill the Jews” chant being shouted in the stadium? Not to mention a riot with flares, smoke bombs, and flag burning taking place right outside the Israeli players’ hotel before the game?
Why does a patriotic chant like ‘u boj, u boj’ along with zero violence or racism at our previous qualifier against Norway get more attention than what just happened in BiH?
It’s pathetic that the select few ignorant Croatian vlaj’s (in Croatia and abroad) think that Jews were ever a problem. At least through their religious identity they’ve maintained unity as a people. What do Croatians have to be proud of -working against each other. Mr. Suker is to blame – he is as dirty as Blatter and a pathetic sob working against his own people. Does it matter where they play the game? Shame on you and a shame you ever represented Croatia on the world stage.
at least i dont have to hear about how we didnt win “due to heart” etc..
@split…….the savez had control of the facility, not hajduk and not the city.
Anyone find it ironic the swastika was on the same side that Pranjic was playing in the first half. The swastika had more of an influence than he did.
I think the fucken Jugo element will be much more successful in how they spin this compared to how the savez will position this.
The entire country and all positions of power and leadership are run by idiots.
Ban all games at Poljud, including any international play by hajduk. INcredible how a limited number of people have access to the stadium and this happens! Shame on Poljud and the security detail.
Jewish propaganda
If you go on Vecernji, they have pictures from all different angles and I just don’t see it and also, couldn’t see it during the game either. What I do know is that the field was taken up and a new drainage system was put in and the field was re-sodded and that’s where you see those lines every 2 or 3 yards or so that went sideline to sideline
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Portals/0/Images/2014-09-09/Sport/poljud_radovi/poljud_radovi7-090914.jpg
Also, as someone pointed out on facebook, why didn’t anyone notice this before the game started, if true? At the same time, no fans were allowed in the stadium, who could have gotten inside and done this and no one knows a thing? Something isn’t making much sense here.
And, by the way, it’s not 48% of Sabor (Parliament), it’s 48% of ministers in Milanović’s gov’t. If we were to take the entire Sabor into account (which includes opposition MPs), the disproportion is probably greater.
A Croatian did not do this. That is clear as day. There is no shortage of anti-Croatian scum within the country. Josipović, a greater-Serbian, garnered 1 million votes in the last presidential election. That is 25% of the country.
You’ve already mentioned the 48% of Serbs in the Croatian Sabor. So it is not, by any measure, a stretch to believe that anti-Croatian elements committed this newest sabotage.
48% of Hrvatski Sabor is Serbian, yes Hrvatski Sabor. What if a Croatian didn’t do this? Yes, there is speculation it was Torcida, but who knows. That is a stadium Tito built and an extremely anti far-right city. Greater Serbia is still a work in progress we like it or not. Once we all realize this, Ustasa or not, it will be too late. As Dinko Buric said, “I don’t hate anybody, but I don’t think people who were for Greater Serbia should be in Sabor.” Unfortunately they are. A lot of them obviously. If you know any Balkan history, then you would know that Serbians are politically stronger then us by 100 times. Bottomline is, may God help us Croatians who are labelled as nationalists because we don’t want Jewish and Serbian scum ruining our country.
@Ziva
What do you think of the swastika?
The savez has three separate enemies, but all with the same goal of seeing them out.
The enemies of the savez are Torcida/hajduk, BBBs and the Cro government.
people did this to mess up the savez. They are doing everything to sabotage the savez like throwing flares, continuing zds chants, and now this.
Fuck you all, you pussies. Fucking pavlovian dogs.
Sheep!
The ustaše snakes came out during half time and slithered in swastika formation leaving the infamous impression.
The same snakes former president Josipović spoke about during his speech in the Israeli Knesset.
on periscope it says chat has been limited: The broadcaster has limited chat to only people who are following (even though I am following)
good