Yes ladies and gentlemen, the BBB work hard in the summer as well.
Dinamo Zagreb played a friendly against Steaua Bucharest in Austria on July 5th; only for the match to be called off in the 85th minute due to BBB interference. Members of Dinamo’s illustrious club were trouble from the beginning.
The Bad Blue Boys lit flares from grass stands overlooking the field, stole corner flags and ultimately swarmed the pitch before the game was even done in the afternoon matinee. Dinamo lost 1-0.
All in all, it was yet another bad move in representing Croatia as Dinamo will now go home early without playing their final friendly which was planned for July 8th.
I’ll let the photos and videos from the following articles do the talking for me:
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@Ante BBB
"1) There was no mention of Torcida and the episode they had in Austria on the same day. The BBB were cast as the only negative group."
For the last month or so, Ante has been taking over the website and posting all the latest happenings. I check the news every now and then and didnt see anything on hajduk in Austria.
If there is anything you would like to share, please feel free to let Ante and I know and we will post your story on the site.
Personally, I think both firms have made really a bad name for themselves the last five years.
2) Radman was happy they got beaten up… his feelings, nothing BS about that..
'Also, a side note, can you please stop referring to Dinamo's uprava itself as 'Bad Blue Boys'? It would be much appreciated.'
Apparently, we all here(including myself) need to be educated about the uprava, Bad Blue Boys and Dinamo. Apparently, you have all the answers…
Would you be willing to write an article about who and what these organizations are and represent? Who finances them? etc etc..
Also, relax on the profanity.
"You said you have an education. Congratulations on your AA degree from the local community college. Your current job position as an assistant manager at Macaroni Grill must make your proud. I think you've pouring too much of that marinara sauce or hanging out with 16 year olds too much."
good shit… haha..
"I'm off to Zagreb in September for the game against Belarus and then I'll be flying to London on the 9th to watch the game live at Wembley and NO guys, I won't be doing any reporting."
Come on Ante, give us something from this match… a few pictures, videos? Ante and I will give you some free T shirts, Ciganski Bosanac will throw some cevape on the grill and all you can eat baklava and sarme…
Ante and i will make you an offer you cant refuse..
@Petar Radman
Great point on 'this site being biased' 'pro hajduk and torcida'. I value and appreciate your comments. However, i dont agree with
"The Bad Blue Boys are a disgrace to Croatia. do they even think that they look cool? People laugh at them, they are morons plain and simple."
You cant throw everyone in the same basket. Last year, when hajduk was in Malta, the lead sports writer said the same about croatia fans. I wrote him an email and had an interesting conversation with him, ultimately convincing him otherwise.
Are there hooligans that support Dinamo? Yes. Not everyone at BBB are hooligans and I wouldnt say they are morans.
some people would say that you are a moran for wearing a Hajduk and dinamo shirt.
You will never see me in a Dinamo shirt nor a Boston Celtic green.
I am a hajduk supporter, however, respect Dinamo, the BBB and their fans.
"Anyone who names himself Ante BBB, well, that just shows how far down the rabbit hole you are. "
I dont agree with this. If Ante is a BBB, then there is nothing wrong with Ante BBB
@Dinamofan;)
"If your miffed about that bad news on Hajduk don't get reported i think you made your point."
Excellent point.
"Surely you must agree that BBB could get us in serious trouble one day and kicked out of Europe. "
good point.
@Slaven
"all clubs have hooligan supporters. It's just a fact with football. "
Are you serious…
Yes, the Kansas City Hooligans are dangerous.. and in LA… the Galaxy prostitutes are a handful for the LAPD… Also, england doesnt have problems with hooligans… Sadly, by your comments "At least our hooligans don't terrorise the locals" you dont see a problem with 'our' hooligans…. unbelievable
Lets just hope that we are not eliminated at that point.
I already let Gospodin NumbNuts have the last word so it's his to take.
I was at that game in Milan as it was right after my 19th birthday. 3,000-4,000 BBB, totally nuts.
I would've loved to have gone to the game against Grasshopper (5:0) in Switzerland in 1997 but jebi ga, it didn't happen.
I'm off to Zagreb in September for the game against Belarus and then I'll be flying to London on the 9th to watch the game live at Wembley and NO guys, I won't be doing any reporting.
Can't wait to hit up Trafalgar Square with another 7-10,000 Hrvati.
re Ante BBB: thanks at least for not continuing the dispute. The headline at top should talk about the match against Steau. I'm more keen to discuss start of the new HNL season. I know not everyone on here is a HNL fan, but it is the national league after all and still the basis of football in Croatia. To be honest would be cool if Ante/Denis start a completely new positive thread soon. Is there no update on the Pleikosa situation? The Russian league is still running is he getting any games at all. Also Klasnic has gone nowhere yet which is concerning.
@ DinamoFan – With regards to your analysis of both Morales and Ibanez. I think thats why Mamic decided to look for continental players this time around. I am sure the prospect of finding another gem like Eduardo was the reason behind their adventure into Latin America a second time. There is no doubt that those two kids have skill, its being half way around the world, away from your families, a new culture/language, new style of play, different weather, all those factors which make the transition in Europe very difficult. Look at someone like Forlan, I remember when Man U first signed him, most Man U fans hated the guy and thought he was a flop. It wasnt until he moved to Spain that you started to see the real Forlan emerge. He found his comfort zone. I think Mamic would be best off going through Eastern Europe to find his gems from now on, Africa would be another spot to look. I think a 4-3-3 is ideal for someone like Mandzukic, only because he is so good at making penetrating runs from the left wing. Who plays on the other wing could be open to debate. I just hope that Antolic, Pivaric, Kramaric and Tomecak all get playing time. Those kids are young, its crucial for their development.
With regards to Hajduk, apparently, their is another twist in the road. Rodic is close to joining, according to the Croatian press anyways, for whatever thats worth. One thing that concerns me with Hajsuk, far to many left sided players. Tomasov, Ticinovic, Ibricic and now Ljubicic are all left sided midfielders. I have no idea how they accommodate them all. Ibrcic looked good behind the striker last year, but, he roamed all over the park and was given that liberty by Mise. If they can pull of the capture of Rodic and Zec, combine them with Oremus and Vukusic, sell Kalinic and loan out Sacer, this could be a very decent summer.
With regards to Sharbini, well, Rijeka announced today that if he plays in their Europa league qualifiers, he stays. Whether or not that is just posturing on the part of Rijeka to push through a transfer remains to be seen. I cant believe that he is still in Croatia, also, that Hajduk or Dinamo hasnt bought him yet either.
2000, ljubavi.
You must have never seen the footage in 1999 when Dinamo and Milan played in the Champs League qualifier in Milan and the idiocy of the BBBs during the afternoon before the game.
To put this into perspective, all clubs have hooligan supporters. It's just a fact with football. BBB may throw flares on the pitch and fight in the stadium but I never hear of the BBB taking it out on the streets and pubs and gooning it up. At least our hooligans don't terrorise the locals, like the dreaded English hooligans for example. When we knocked out England from Euro 2008, I heard the locals were happy about it so they didn't have to put up with their drunks.
Re: Ante BBB
Yeah but you made your point about BBB lots of times so you can talk about the club you are supposed to support now despite what the first 6 posts say? Remember BBB is not Dinamo Zagreb Football Club. BBB is not the whole fanbase either. Its just a group of our fans so there are other matters to discuss than BBB. You made your point and you know fair enough. No need to ram it down our throats.
As i said it was a smallish incident. Everyones moved on from it. Surely you must agree that BBB could get us in serious trouble one day and kicked out of Europe. As a Dinamo fan am sure you care about our team being harmed. Remember UEFA does not worry about punishing clubs like us. But from my point of view i'd definitely not be dragged down by this tiny incident. I looked at the news – thought well that's not brill but so what. Its more interesting that we played a decent foriegn club and played better than we did last season in Europe – but at the end of day we still lost though those fans could have given us 5 more minutes to get a goal. We move on to our game V Rangers and our Euro qualifiers. Lets see how we do there. Hope we win cos politically i can't stand Rangers.
Also regards the monkey chanting. Believe me all the players its aimed at don't worry about it. The funniest was Eduardo smacking goals past Hajduk whilst they were abusing him. The reason some players complain is cos they can (a) seek an advantage (b) get some revenge through FIFA who can do damage.
Surely we can't have any more to say on this topic. It must have run its course by now.
Regards 4-3-3 its an interesting idea. To be honest will have to see what Jurcic does. I'd never play Sivonjic in front of Sammir or even Morales though. Morales is extremely sad news as the guys got talent and doesn't deserve to be outcast. How many other players in our team could score his goal against Sparta. He could have scored as many as Mandza last season, but we stopped giving him playing time. I hope Morales moves away and finds himself again at another club. Also we don't have a proper left back at the club. Really Etto, Tomecak, Ibanez are all wing backs. Neither of them can really defend properly.
Re: Papadopoulos – thats a bit harsh to says he's garbage. Nobodies seen the guy yet and going by his past career its all good. Give him a chance. Considering the amount of money in Dinamo at moment we can more than afford his wages which is supposed to be 600,000 rather than million. Also nobody with lots of money wanted him, but i doubt any club could match the wage we paid him. I like the guy as he's got a good attitude. We did sign him early in the transfer window. I think you should hold comment on Pap. I think he can cut it in Europe. We'll talk about it later in the season. If your right that's one up to you:) I'm quite interested by seeing if predictions come true so i won't beat down your arguement. we'll check out what happens.
Regards Smrekar i think he owes Varteks a good season before moving on. Personally i think if Mujanovic and Mumlek could find goals during the course of the season so should Smrekar. Also he's hardly cutting in the Under 21's at moment. Maybe sign him in winter when he's proven himself. Know he'd be more expensive then, but i think Hajduk might be taking a gamble. Zec and Rodic would be good signings. Don't look like Vrucina's going anywhere. Also when's Sharbini gonna move. I can't believe he is a Rijeka player. He's great. I'd love to see him at Dinamo. I'd even give them Badelj in exchange just so we can Sharbini. Regards Jerko Leko he only cost 1.5m apparently. We can afford that. Wolves had offer accepted for that much. I think he'd consider Dinamo if we made him special player in side.
Ivan Bosnjaks joined Irakilis if anyones interested. Looks like he didn't fancy a return to HNL just yet. Prob fears a heckling from Hajduk supporters even if he was at Cibalia or someone. Babic looks set for Tranbzonspor to play with Cale.
Sorry for the late response. I'm typing this during a conference call.
Radman,
Hopefully you can pull about 5 minutes away from your job bagging groceries or serving tables. Here's to hoping.
Could you start to actually answer my questions instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks and using your own bullshit life story and own ineptitude to illustrate your point? You're failing, son.
You have yet to give me an exact minute/time where the BBB got a 'beatdown.' Still waiting sweetheart.
You stated 'big match in Split and only the meek and passive BBB supporters are going to travel to the biggest away match of the year'. I'm sorry BUT DIDNT YOU DO THE SAME EXACT THING? Did you not come from Canada to watch the 'biggest game in Split'? I came from America (with some Boys from California and Chicago as well) so does that make us hooligans? Oh, I get it…because YOU went then it makes it ok and you're a great fan but because we sit in the BBB section (since that's the ONLY place Dinamo fans can sit) and are labelled hooligans. Spare me. Go jump off a cliff and do us a favor.
You still have yet to show me where they got schooled, I provided you two youtube links.
I am also getting attacked for my choice of name. If that isn't textbook ad hominem, I don't know what it is. Since you drone on and on about having 'An Education,' it looks like somebody might've failed English 1A or Argumentation. Look it up chump.
The remainder of your post can be summed up as you "looking at the man in the mirror" and trying to justify your own place in this world. You try to insult me instead of my arguments yet you are bringing up your own life story to make yourself feel better for being a 'typical North American.'
You said you have an education. Congratulations on your AA degree from the local community college. Your current job position as an assistant manager at Macaroni Grill must make your proud. I think you've pouring too much of that marinara sauce or hanging out with 16 year olds too much.
Look who's talking about releasing their frustrations on the internet but yet you ignore your own posts. Take a look son, somebody is still in denial which is not a river in Egypt.
And now I love this line of attack, "why don't you talk about the game?" Hey Webster, look at the first 6 posts of this page. AND you still haven't talked about why as a staunch Hajduk supporter would wear Dinamo blue? You're an embarrasment.
Another red card for you. You can have the last word.
@ DinamoFan – Any thought to playing a 4-3-3 with Mandzukic and Sivonjic the wide men, using their pace to feed Pap? I personally think that's when Mandzukic is at his best, cutting in from the wing.
With regards to Hajduk. You're right, totally garbage has been linked to them. One day I read that Rodic is already training with them, then the deal is still far from done. Today its that they hope to sell Ibricic to finance a move for Zec and Rodic. Who knows, I love the signing of Ljubicic, Sacer is on for the future, Cernat will add quality in the middle. They need at least 2 strikers. resolving this Kalinic fiasco would be welcome news as well. I just think it reflects poorly on the club when you have 2 strikers leave 2 seasons in a row under poor circumstances. Smrekar has been a name that has been thrown about, I would love to add a youngster of his quality, see how he does when he gets some service from a more balanced midfield than that of Varteks.
dinamofan….good overall analysis, but why would someone like Leko want to come back to Dinamo. Its almost admitting failure on his part.
i agree with you on the Hajduk moves….all garbage. Within the next two weeks I would be willing to bet Hajduk gets the two Sibenik players.
I also view Papadopoulos as garbage as well. Nobody wanted him and Dinamo goes out and gives him nearly $1 million. Thats a lot of money for a guy that will only produce in the cro league. I rather they play their younger players and let them fail/succeed so we can find out if they are players or not.
@ Radman,
Where was I singling you out?
I know that you know were not biased here. Preaching to you would be like preaching to the converted. Talk soon.
Okay i'm only talking football now. i'll cut BBB some slack till the next incident:). I was actually more interested in the match against Steareu to be honest. Not really that bothered about fans behaviour. Is not for me to worry about.
As for Glavina i have to be honest the bits i've seen of him on tv footage he looks promising and as wide man which is just what we needed. This obviously rules out a move for Babic now. I think Glavina and Sammir should compete for the position and see who comes out best.
Kramaric should start from the bench but with lots of opportunities for him and Sivonjic which is what will happen now Tadic has gone. My starting eleven is
Butina – Biscan, Kovac, Lovren – Etto, Vrdoljak, Callelo, Sammir, Ibanez – Papadopoulos, Mandzukic
with plenty of opportunities for Tomecak, Kramaric, Badelj, Sivonjic, Villa, Glavina during the course of the season. I'd send Antolic out to somelike Rijeka for the first half of season like we did with Modric at Zapresic.
That's my preferred 11 but i think Jurcic has different ideas. Hajduk been linked with some rubbish to be frankly honest like that Chinese player with a bad reputation. Whats happening with Rodic and Zec? Are they coming to Hajduk.
If i had charge of Dinamo i'd sell Vrdoljak though and swap his place with Jerko Leko and maybe still consider Babic for left wing back. I think our midfield is a little reliant on the playmaker and would prefer a stronger left sided player than Ibanez.
Back to the fans for one second…..I for one enjoy sitting in istok or zapad as opposed to sjever when it comes to hajduk or dinamo matches.
National team games are different and the fans are much more calmer, well behaved for the most part.
My apologies to anyone that had to endure this. i don't think that this is what Denis and Ante had in mind when they decided to create this site. Being the mature adult, I will step back and talk about Croatian Football and leave the hooligans to themselves.
@DinamoFan – I am curious what your thoughts are on a preferred Dinamo starting 11. Is Glavina an istant starter? I remember you mentioning Kramaric for a bit, how has he, Antolic and Pivaric looked in a very short pre-season? Most of my time following football lately has been focused on the almost daily rumors linking Hajduk to some new striker from half way around the world. The three Dinamo kids ar pretty young, between 18 and 20, but, considering Tomecak was given an opportunity last year, one can see that Jurcic is not focused on age and will reward anyone who is playing well for the team. Do you expect the three to play a prominent role early in the season?
@ Ante Kvartuč – Wondering why I am being singled out. I could have sworn that I was also commenting on how there was no bias.
As for Ante BBB – As I told you, if you look at that video and cant see the cowardes and the fact that you were dominated, like I said, you will say anything to justify your own existence. Yeah, you make such an intelligent argument. Big match in Split and only the meek and passive BBB supporters are going to travel to the biggest away match of the year. Give me a break, when the seats were on fire they all looked so brave and tough. As soon as the numbers aren't in their favor, they run, much like all hooligans, they are all cowards. Face it, you guys got schooled by the cops, you are pathetic, much like your BBB. Anyone who names himself Ante BBB, well, that just shows how far down the rabbit hole you are. You will fight to the bitter end just to ensure that your life hasn't been a total waste up until now. That all your time hasn't been wasted following pathetic losers like the BBB. What is even more sad is the fact that you are regressing in life. My parents left Communist Yugoslavia to come to Canada so we can get things in life which they couldn't, IE, An Education. As an educated person, why the hell would I ever regress and follow the gang mentality and the pathetic organization of the BBB. You are the typical spoiled North American. Mommy and Daddy provided a better life for their little junior so he could grow up to be everything they hoped and dreamed he wouldn't. You just look very sad. Everyone knows your type, you are that pathetic loser who will fight tooth and nail even when he knows hes wrong. People can size you up a mile away. Much like your friends the cowards (BBB) you get a thrill of arguing and fighting. You people have no control in your own lives, work jobs you hate, no real authority, subject to everyone's rule. That is why you go to games and act like losers, or on the Internet in your case, its your only release, the only time you have any power. Go see a shrink, 2 Prozacs a day and you will be all balanced. although, in my opinion you need a team of psychiatrists monitoring you around the clock
DinamoFan is absolutely correct, why don't you talk about the players? All you have is the BBB.
Er Take a look at the top and you'll find its me only! Do you even care about the players at Dinamo or just the BBB? Do you have an opinion on that actual match – Pape – Mandza staying or us just signing Denis Glavina or is it just the BBB you wanna talk about? I think everyone at Dinamo's moved on from incident – time for you to as well.
Oh, you must be the brains of the operation.
Look on this thread alone and tell me who else commented on the players, signings, etc. Once you figure out the answer, let us know.
I'm simply not backing down from my position and thank you for at least proving one of my points. If that includes being subject to attacks, so be it.
I think we're all agreed that certain sections of BBB and Torcida are bad as each other. Ante BBB you need to spend more time talking about football cos you barely ever talk about players. You give the impression you have your back to the game most of time and too busy looking at other things than the match. I'm a Dinamo Zagreb fan which means i follow the football – i don't support other Dinamo fans or their activities with Mamic, police or whatever else. Can't you talk about the game – about new signings etc for a change. Your getting too fixated on the apparent Hajduk bias. If your miffed about that bad news on Hajduk don't get reported i think you made your point. Duly noted. but lets move on shall we. Even Dinamo and Austrian authorities didn't make as much complaining and ill feeling as we're getting here.
Chalk up another Retard of the Month nomination – Petar Radman.
While it's probably too big of a concept for your feeble mind to comprehend, not all of the Dinamo supporters at the game in Split were hooligans looking to fight the police. Therefore your hasty generalization of all BBB being cowards holds no water. The overwhelming majority came for the football and to cheer. Again, another fact you cannot or perhaps do not want to grasp.
What you are also guilty of is putting words into my mouth – another sign of your weak arguments. My assumption is that the majority of supporters who were there did not want to fight, plain and simple nor did I ever believe the BBB to be victorious. Again that is you putting words into my mouth. The part of curing cancer proves you are an inept person with no sense of humor either. 1983 called and they want their joke back.
I'm looking at the videos and I do not see anything that would constitute a good old fashion beat down as you claim. Some arrests maybe but a beatdown? Come on.
You still have not made your point. Keep trying, son. And yes, you are a fake for wearing Dinamo blue while considering yourself to be a staunch Hajduk supporter.
Srami se (if you even speak Croatian which I highly doubt).
@ Peter Radman and everyone else who is enjoying this prolific battle of wits…
Just to keep things straight around here about there being biased opinions on CSR.
To tell you the truth, Denis and I could really give a shit about the Prva Liga. We report it because it is now our job to report it.
In the current "BBB STOP FRIENDLY IN AUSTRIA" post, the only semi-biased thing I said was "it was another bad move in representing Croatia", which is a no-doubter. I put up video and 3 direct links to Croatian websites. THAT'S IT!
It doesn't bother me that some people on CSR think we have a one-sided approach but I just like to clear the air when it gets stuffy in here.
I am a Hajduk supporter by default. All my family is from Zadar and they have cheered for Hajduk far before NK Zadar was even in the Prva Liga.
I try to keep my eye on Zadar and hope they can pull some kind of watch-worthy run but we all know that's just useless.
…And I didn't post this news to rag on Dinamo, I posted it because thats what all the Croatian sports headlines were talking about that day and to get all of you in discussion- which I have to say I was successful at. When Dinamo plays Champions League qualifiers I root for them, because above all I want Croatia to do well as a nation.
CSR is not just a place where you can come to read consolidated Croatian soccer news in English; but a place where 'the true fan' can come and share his thoughts and feelings with others of the same caliber.
I have to say, I haven't had this much fun reading comments on CSR in awhile. There's been some F-bombs and P remarks but I'll let it slide because you guys are at least on target. Is that an ok justification?
That is where you are wrong. See, you are like all people who are so passionate about something that it starts to make the delusional. Much like an American during Vietnam or the Cuban Missile crisis or a Brit during the rule of India. You believe what you want and no truth can sway you. I am sure that in your mind black starts to look white, just so you can justify your own existence. You look at the video and have some lame excuse that they are just normal fans, really, sure, whatever will help you sleep at night. Where are all those tough guys that had the 5 police officers pinned in the corner? Hmmmm? See, the BBB are cowards and they ran off. Your assumption that its all regular fans, who didnt want to fight is a laugh. They only enjoy a good fight when the numbers are in their favor. The Police got their reinforcements and then the COWARDS ran for cover with the regular fans. BBB members were picked out from the crowd, given their whacks and were dragged off. I am sure in your mind they left the match victorious, the 2-0 game didnt occur and the BBB are in the process of curing cancer.
Yeah, Graham Poll, three yellow cards. He is still far more capable than you.
I've provided with two links and yet no answers or comments from you. My point has been proved — there was no beatdown as you claim.
I've asked you several questions and yet not one answer.
If your replies from now on are going to be only ad hominem attacks, at least have some style.
Graham Poll? Honestly.
Red Card? Hmmm, you make Graham Poll's performance during the Croatia vs Australia match at the 2006 World Cup look brilliant.
Red Card? Hmmm, you make Graham Poll's performance during the Croatia vs Australia match at the 2006 World Cup look brilliant.
COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC AND BACK TO FOOTBALL AND CROATIAN FOOTBALL
I have included some articles in the past from one of my favorite writers, Jonathan Wilson, who writes for the Guardian in the UK. In my opinion, the Guardian takes its football writing to another level which most periodicals and other media outlets simple cannot match.
I am enclosing a few articles from the Guardian which they sum up the seasons in La Liga and the Bundesliga. I think they are definitely worth reading, plus, a few Croatians scoop up some annual awars according the staff at the Guardian.
@ DinamoFan – The Guardian is based in your neck of the woods, I hope you are a follower.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jun/08/sid-lowe-review-la-liga-2009-season
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jun/08/bundesliga-awards-2009-raphael-honigstein
Also, for those of you who havent checked it out, Jonathan Wilson wrote 3 amazing articles 10 On Niko Kranjcar and everything he went through rising through the ranks in Croatia 2) On the prospect of a unified Balkan League and unifying football leagues as a whole 3) Corruption in Bosnian FA. He also wrote another one about a year ago that goes into great detail of the fall of Red Star Belgrade. If you are interested I would be more than happy to include the links to all.
Yellow card.
That's what I thought.
You can't give me an exact time for the supposed 'beatdown'…maybe a pushing match from the cops side. About 5 guys were pulled away and dragged…does this constitute a beatdown?
Of course other people moved away. Not everybody is a huligan. Didn't you guys claim that it's only a handful of people (give or take 100 hardcores who were at the bottom of the kavez) who make trouble? What should have these other people done who didn't want to fight–who came just to support their club–should they have fought as well?
Wouldn't you have bitched at them for fighting too? It looks like you are bitching at them for not fighting either. Either way, you are going to call them idiots for fighting and not fighting. You make no sense.
What you don't see is the other 40-60 cops on the OTHER side either. Then again, you were at the game and saw everything. Note the sarcasm. Thank you for once again being the poster boy of why women should have abortions.
If you read some other articles on this site, you would realize that they would refer to Dinamo as "the evil empire" or "the enemy." And to top it off, they wrote about the Dinamo game but a piss utter about Torcida. Silly me for saying this site was slanted towards Hajduk and Torcida.
You're a staunch Hajduk supporter yet you wear Dinamo blue. You make me sick.
I've heard it all.
Red card. You're out of here.
Michel Foucault, sorry.
Yes, you're right, I cant read. i just read Noam Chomsky and Muchel Foucault for fun. You're also correct, all the masturbation is makingme blind. Watching that clip again, the 20-30 cops forcing the hundreds of fans to evacuate their seats and section to scatter for cover 20 feet away, while their BBB allies are dragged away by police all happened like an homage to Gandhi himself, non violent resistance. Is that the basis of your argument? That those guys being dragged out weren't beaten and dragged away by the Police? That they didn't run for cover as soon as the reinforcements arrived? Go to school, find a girlfriend, something else to occupy your time other than BBB fantasies and propaganda.
As for this site being biased. Hmmmm, I admit, I have my moments where I check every day or every second day, then work piles up and its once a week or every two weeks. perhaps I missed something. From what I have seen the guys running this have made every attempt to focus this site on Croatian Football. if there has ever been a mistake, they would apologize and try and report the truth, they have always asked for first hand accounts and articles which could bring the truth to light.
I am a staunch Hajduk fan, yet I have admitted that I support Dinamo when they play in Europe, because its the benefit to all of Croatia, also, because these are young Croatian men realizing their dreams and earning a living for their families. Yeah, Hajduk Fan who still wears his Dinamo Luka Modric jersey with pride.
You judge the people on this site and the site as a whole based on them reporting what happened in one article? If it was about the Torcida, if it made the news back home and they picked up on it, we would all be here calling the Torcida morons. Dude, get a grip! With a name like Ante BBB, you seem to be the one that's biased.
So was I, you dumb fuck and I saw everything first hand. I was 10 feet away from everything. No need to scan a copy of the ticket because I have one too. Passionate about what…the truth? The police didn't beat anybody up, numb nuts.
Here's the first link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Btadi3QCpE
TELL ME WHERE THE BEAT DOWN IS. GIVE ME THE ACTUAL MINUTE.
Here's the second clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSc_U_v_DoQ&feature=related
TELL ME WHERE THE BEAT DOWN IS. GIVE ME THE ACTUAL MINUTE.
If that's a beating then you have not been in a fight and are a picka.
You need to stop jerking off because it's making you blind…and you've made it obviously clear you can't read.
And you're goddamn right I'm passionate about Dinamo and the BBB.
Waiting for an answer sweetheart.
@ Ante BBB – Yeah, i was at the game. Do you want me to scan the ticket? Also, check on Youtube, clown. There is a far more close up video that was shot by the Police themselves. The BBB "Cowards" Cornered 5-8 cops in the corner, hitting them with their sticks they had their flags on. It was about a few minutes later that the rest of the Police came down from the top through the gates and gave you a BEATING. I know this because I was screaming for the Police to use the water canons and spray you all with water. Also, How am I pro Hajduk and anti Dinamo? I also mentioned that I heard Monkey Noises from the end I was sitting in and that both the Torcida and BBB are morons. People like you, that are so passionate about something that it makes them blind are truly sad. Go back to school and get an education, learn how to read and form an argument.
@dinamofan,
If being at the game and having a first hand witness account constitutes boring to you, congratulations. You know what…stay in zapad where you belong with the rest of the penzioneri and picke. We don't need you on Sjever. We'll do just fine without you.
@Denis,
What irritated me were two things: 1) There was no mention of Torcida and the episode they had in Austria on the same day. The BBB were cast as the only negative group.
2) The bs comments and lies from this Radman about being happy that the BBB got beaten up (which is FALSE) and your awful blanket statement of "BBB being financed by Mamic." It's BS. If you wrote a faction of the BBB then I would understand but you did not. I mean, talk about journalistic spin. The BBB had it right in their mistrust of journalists and journalism.
Also, a side note, can you please stop referring to Dinamo's uprava itself as 'Bad Blue Boys'? It would be much appreciated.
A lot of people wrote things so if I didn't answer everything, I apologize. I'll look over everything later.
Yes Ante BBB you said why do people come on here and make comments and not say much at all, but then you did exactly the same thing.
Basically regards BBB who cares? That little info about police and BBB was so boring! Can we talk about something more interesting here. England has fans like the BBB as well and so do other countries everywhere. BBB should stick to making colourful artwork at stadiums as it does look cool sometimes. Other than that i really can't be bothered with this topic. Dinamo's gone home now as they didn't see how continuing in Austria was constructive.
By the way i wasn't saying it was just a few individuals. Just that the individuals in the group are individually responsible for their action, don't represent the race of Croats and represent their families in a bad way – their grandparents am sure would be very proud. Surely these people have to look at themselves and give more to their family than boasting about fighting with police. Personally i don't reckon standing up to them is the way to go – isn't that just like giving them something to oppose and a reason to exist. I doubt the BBB are damaged by shedding a bit of blood from fighting with police that try to oppose them. Personally i have no answers – i just don't care about the BBB.
AnteBBB….what r u reading that makes you think this is a Hajduk site.
I find the coverage pretty fair. BBB are a bunch of bums as are the Torcida. I would be ashamed to sit in either section with them.
@Ziva Istina
Bottom line is that Fifa and UEFA wont let Croatia slide much longer. Also, with a powerful country and football power like england pressing FIFA for action… another incident and a harsher penalty will be dealt to Croatia.
if this is what it takes than so be it.
"10-20% of the crowd in the BBB or Torcida section"
I dont believe that this type of behavior is found only in Torcida and BBB sections of the stadium..
If Croatia gets thrown out of the world cup, it wont be a surprise. There have been multiple warnings the last five years or so and no action was taken.
@Ante BBB
First of all, this site is CROATIANSOCCERREPORT.com…. Ante and I report on Hajduk, Dinamo, and a little hear and there from the HNL. However, most of our attention is focused on the national team because quite frankly the HNL sucks. I wont go into it why it sucks, but its not just the lack of talent.
Secondly,
If you have any info on Dinamo, the BBB, or anything else that might be beneficial to this website please feel free to write a post and Ante and I will publish this on the website. Obviously, you have some access to the BBB that few know about.
We dont play favorites here at CSR, at least Ante and I dont.
'Mamic financing the BBB?'
would you like to share something that I dont know?
I spoke with several reliable sources in Zagreb regarding this. They said one of the fan clubs is financed by Mamic, the other one hates Mamic and never received anything from him.
My point being, If Mamic really wanted to get rid of these trouble makers he would have done so already..
Looking forward to your comment and hopefully an explanation of what upset you exactly..
We are always looking for guest writers, whether it be from Hajduk or Dinamo side. I can assure you one thing, this is not Hajduksoccerreport.com
As if this site wasn't ultra Hajduk and Torcida enough.
Let's forget the fact that on the same day about 50 Torcida caused shit in Austria and yet they are angels in the media. F off. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Radman, what the f–k are you talking about?
I was at the same game you were in February in Split (yes, some BBB made it out from California) and where do you get off saying the police beat up the BBB? You are full of shit. You disgust me with such stupidity.
I was a few feet away from everything and saw the whole thing up close unlike you who was hundreds of feet away. The police didn't beat up the BBB. They bum-rushed us with full riot gear. Some people were arrested but nothing too serious. Again, I know this because I was there and I am even on the highlights. There were cops on all sides of us and they arrested some people but to assume they gave us a beat down is nothing short of retarded. In fact, the cops first ran AWAY from us.
Disgusting. If you're going to throw the BBB under a bus, do it with Torcida as well. Oh wait, no, they are Croatia's angels. racku.
Also, Mamic financing the BBB?! Yeah that's why the BBB wouldn't accept 2,000 of 'his' extra tickets. 5,000 BBB would have showed up at Poljud instead of 3. Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
You should change the name of this site to http://www.hajdukistheonlycroatiansoccerteamreport.com.
Where do you people get off talking so much shit but not saying much at all?
Disgusting.
Its more than a very small group, its bigger than that. I know the earlier post mentioned 10 individuals can ruin it for a whole group. The problem is bigger than "just a small group."
When the stadium is filled or nearly filled, its a few hundred. After attedning many big games over the last 10 years, I'm willing to bet that it a good 10-20% of the crowd in the BBB or Torcida section that make monkey noices. A few random idiots wont make that much noise for it to be picked up by the tv mics, but a few humdred is what it is.
I agree that its good news that they are trying to stop racism. The problem is that no such efforts are being made in Croatia. These morons that call themselves supporters will feel if its condoned in Croatia, then why not make monkey noises at the first black guy they see on any other club. It will only take 10 morons from the BBB or the Torcida to ruin all the work of the club, players and real supporters. Also, after the England match, Croatia has already been labeled as a place where racism occurs, if it happens twice in the same year? We will have a disgusting reputation abroad, not that its squeaky clean at the moment.
It's just sad.
Let's say (hypothetically of course) that Dinamo wins Champions League this year in Madrid. A few hundred BBB members would tear that city apart.
Dinamo and Croatia would no be known for a glorious win- only their irresponsible supporters bent on destruction.
What another embarrassing moment for Croatian football. What looked like a little league or high school game, the BBB hooligans showed up as if they were playing a champions league qualifier.
@Ziva Istina
'You can not defend morons like these people.'
great line!
'I agree with the earlier comment that the croatian officials (savez) refuse to do anything. They want the police to handle it, but the police want the clubs to handle their won fans. Dinamo or any other club in Cro will not ban their fans from attending because of the negative backlash it will create. They rather pass it off to the police so they can say we have no choice, it was the police that handled the matter.'
I couldnt have said it better… Also these BBB invest every kuna into Dinamo… Its a cult.
@Ivica
I liked how you included the Torcida. We dont want people to think we are biased here..haha
@Petar Radman
'Anonymous – Allot of brave talk for someone that has to hide behind his CPU and further behind an anonymous name. Coward.'
A little harsh dont you think? I have stressed this multiple times on numerous posts… All you need is a name and sign in..
'I was so glad to see the Police give them a beating.'
these people get high of a beating(amongst other things).
Think of it this way… does it help to beat a child? Same philosophy with the BBB..
Hooligans in Western Europe are extinct. Only in developing countries do you find hooligans still today. And yes, I am including Italy as a developing country..
'The news that came from Uefa this week should come as a real concern for Croatian Teams. Match officals can now end matches if they feel that racism is taking place.'
This is great great news… The only way to stop racism..
Lets not cry… 'but those were individuals'… the rest of the supporters should confront these racists… an individual is always outnumbered by a group. This 'individual' thats making monkey noises needs to be confronted and beat down if necessary..
@Ante Kvartuc
Mamic finances the BBB. The end.
Yep agree with that – Dinamo officials won't ban any fan as they firstly already been attacked now and then by BBB in past and also as they quite like the money they get from them at the end of the day.
Whether Croatia has a problem with racism or not it is still every single individual that engages in racism that is the racist and not every Croatian. Racism is a backwards mentality with no logic to it. The people that indulge in it just have brain problems. i feel sorry for that and they just make their parents and families look bad. Regards BBB part of problem is they are probably loaded with alchohol as well and kinda bored. Obviously just not got nothing better to do with there day. But at the end of the day Croatia has to live with that and work through it. When talent emerges in spite of this kind of shit that's really the special thing about Croatia rather than 'the fans' lol. I definitely don't support Croatia cos of the fans. UEFA won't ban us completely from playing – but i expect we'll play more games behind closed doors if it continues. Also I think BBB need to be careful and they cut get cordened off from pitch by chicken wire. That's normally the simple thing that clubs do with troublesome fans is put more barriers up to stop them getting to pitch and meaning they'd have to have a javelin like throw to get the flair on the pitch – which i guess at least deserves some applause. Should take up baseball or something.
I am a Hajduk fan, BUT, I will still support Dinamo as they make their charge for Europe. I hope they succeed. However, part of me thinks that the fans will ruin any success they may find. I can just see it now, Dinamo up 2 -1 in a key match and the BB start throwing flares at the opposing team. The news that came from Uefa this week should come as a real concern for Croatian Teams. Match officals can now end matches if they feel that racism is taking place.
I was critical of the BBB earlier, and, DinamoFan is absolutely correct. Its a fraction of the fans that ruin it for everyone. Racism though appears to be a real issue in Croatia, I hate any negative press that comes Croatias way, I wish that the world can see the beauty of the county, however, these small amounts of morons from both the Torcida and the BBB seem intent on showing the world the ugliness in Croatia.
I am a Hajduk fan, BUT, I will still support Dinamo as they make their charge for Europe. I hope they succeed. However, part of me thinks that the fans will ruin any success they may find. I can just see it now, Dinamo up 2 -1 in a key match and the BB start throwing flares at the opposing team. The news that came from Uefa this week should come as a real concern for Croatian Teams. Match officals can now end matches if they feel that racism is taking place.
I was critical of the BBB earlier, and, DinamoFan is absolutely correct. Its a fraction of the fans that ruin it for everyone. Racism though appears to be a real issue in Croatia, I hate any negative press that comes Croatias way, I wish that the world can see the beauty of the county, however, these small amounts of morons from both the Torcida and the BBB seem intent on showing the world the ugliness in Croatia.
If they ban the BBB then they might only have 500 people at their games.
I agree with the earlier comment that the croatian officials (savez) refuse to do anything. They want the police to handle it, but the police want the clubs to handle their won fans. Dinamo or any other club in Cro will not ban their fans from attending because of the negative backlash it will create. They rather pass it off to the police so they can say we have no choice, it was the police that handled the matter.
I'm actually interested in seeing if Dinamo will start banning BBB members in the futue at home games at Maksimir…or id Dinamo will stop recognizing them as supporters.
Think i made this comment before but they are individuals and should not be made to represent the whole of Croatia or Dinamo Zagreb. Personally this just seems what they do with their life. I doubt they are capable of doing anything else. Croatian authorities obviously doesn't really have the interest in doing anything about it. We'll just end up playing more and more games behind closed doors and giving our money to FIFA. We should set up direct debit account with them.
Definitely don't agree they are better than us. We were the stronger side. I think our team is starting to look better than last season. We look more structured. I would like to my review my opinion on Babic. I think we could do with him as Sammir cannot play left wing very well. I'm not sure why Jurcic is trying to make a 4-4-2 formation out when we don't have players for it. Sivonjic is never gonna be a right winger. We need to buy Leko if he is only 1.5m and Babic and maybe give chance to Emiliano Villa to see what he can do. Personally i'd not start Badelj, Sivonjic and Sammir in big games. Rest of team isn't too bad though. I also wished we had Sharbini rather than Sammir. Mamic says he's not buying Sharbini cos we have Sammir and we also got Morales, who i think is the more effective player. However if we're not using Morales and Sammir still not peaking i wish we had Sharbini.
Ziva Istina speaks the truth. Two separate supporters groups were fighting each other. Also, Steau is slightly better than Dinamo. Steau actually qualifies for the Champs League here and there.
@ Anonymous – Allot of brave talk for someone that has to hide behind his CPU and further behind an anonymous name. Coward.
The Bad Blue Boys are a disgrace to Croatia. do they even think that they look cool? People laugh at them, they are morons plain and simple. You should have seen the way they were behaving at the match on Feb 22/09. They are lame, nothing more to say. My first Hajduk Game, I got to see first hand what animals the BBB are. I was so glad to see the Police give them a beating.
They were not beating up other fans, they were fighting each other.
And the by the way, Steau is a better team.
Sometimes i look at it and its funny i dont mind the occasional hooligans beating up the other fans and lighting flares BUT this is a friendly against a weak opposition for nothing. You win it means nothing you lose it means nothing! So save it for something else no need to go on the field and ruin the game for your own team.
The best thing about Croatian football is the fans. I don't agree with beating up opposition supporters in a friendly but their not called hooligans for nothing.
Idiots, all of them….
You can not defend morons like these people.
Great. Leave it to the BBB to further give Croatian fans a bad name. Though Torcida aren't angels themselves.