The cardiac Croats are at it again.
Since their March 2013 qualifiers against Serbia and Wales, which were both victories, Croatia has only earned one point from their next three competitive matches: 1-0 loss to Scotland, 1-1 draw with Serbia and 2-1 loss to Belgium. So instead of their fans booking tickets to next year’s World Cup in Brazil, they are now holding their breaths to see who the Vatreni will draw in the playoff round, which they technically haven’t even earned entry into yet.
Who may stand in Croatia’s way? Armenia. Yes, you heard that right, Armenia.
We’ll get to the playoff scenario in a second, but all Croatian fans worldwide should be thanking Alberto Aquilani and Italy for their continued effort on Friday against Denmark; even though they had already qualified for the World Cup. The following Aquilani injury time goal to force a 2-2 draw vs. Denmark made things a lot easier for Croatia since a victory over Scotland seems easier said than done these days.
So here’s the scenario.
If Croatia beat Scotland on Tuesday, they are automatically through to the playoff round and no results from other groups will matter. However, should Croatia continue their poor form and lose to Scotland for a second time this qualifying campaign, they could still go through.
We’re going to use Group B as the prime suspect for having the worst 2nd-placed team. However, Portugal and Turkey’s group still have scenarios that can make them the worst. Just follow (and trust) me on this, Denis and I spent an hour after the Belgium match running scenarios.
Should Croatia lose, they will go to the playoff round if:
Bulgaria beats the Czech Republic OR Denmark beats Malta.
That is the simplest scenario. However, if the Czech Republic draws/defeats Bulgaria AND Malta draws/defeats Denmark AND Armenia manages to beat Italy in Napoli, that can boot Croatia out of World Cup contention.
It is unlikely that Croatia will encounter trouble, even with a loss, as Denmark should beat Malta at home in a must-win game and a B-squad Italy should take care of business against Armenia. Although Croatia only look a fraction of the team that we saw at Euro 2012, the new campaign starts on November 15th when (we plan) on seeing them take on their playoff opponent. The return leg would be four days later.
We all remember the 1-0 Georgia loss and 2-0 Greek defeat in Euro 2012 qualifying, but that was all forgotten with the 3-0 thrashing of Turkey in the playoffs and playing lights out against tournament finalists Italy and Spain. There’s no reason this crop of Croatian talent cannot replicate what they did two years ago and hit the right gear when the time calls for it.
The next FIFA rankings will be released on October 17th and the playoff round fixtures will be announced on October 21st.
ha okay svi vi amerikanci 😉 slusaj te me sad dobro. Hrvatska ide na mundijal sa BIH. Cijela Hrvatska je uvjerena da ce te ici pa makar igrali i sa Francuzima. Mislim da ce te biti favorit ako se desi. Za nas mentalitet i verzija igre naj gora bi vam bila Svedska. Nek vam je sa srecom.
@Ziva
Maybe Split for the playoff game. I would like to see a game take place in Splt and a good way to end this campaign.
@Bobby V,
Yes, you are right. We are talking apples and oranges.
AFC-
Lets take a look at the other confederations…
If Jordan draws against 5th place Conmebol twice and goes ahead on goal difference. They will qualify for the world cup with 3 wins 3 draws and 4 losses.
Australia qualified with a 3 win 4 draw and 1 loss record. Not too impressive.
WC2010 qualifying North Korea qualified with a 3 win 3 draw 2 loss record against Estonia type competition besides 2 games against South Korea.
WC2010 Uruguay qualified with a 6 win, 6 draw, 6 loss record.
-CAF
The 10 groups have 1 strong team, 1 average team and two shit teams. The strong team has a cake walk until the playoff where once again, two draws and advance on away goals can happen.
-Conmebol
This year its easier because no Brazil.
-Concacaf
Mexico could qualify for the world cup with 3 wins in 10 matches. 6 matches are against Slovenia-type sides, 2 matches are against Estonia type sides.
My point is that in every confederation there is one team that qualified without getting excellent results.
True, a game against Wales was played in Osijek. Time to give meaningful games against decent teams throughout Cro.
regarding Tuesday’s game……we should and probably will beat Scotland. Then the fun will begin, because the spin will start from Strucnjak Stimac and the saves that things are back on course……which we know is not true.
@denis
Come on now. We are a better team than Scotland. (Obvious answer) It was just a bad day for us.
@matesic method
I believe a game has already been played in Osijek during this qualifying campaign.
Bit confused on why u wouldnt want playoff at poljud ziva.. u said it would be bad because fans would turn against the team, stimac, hns et al, did I miss something ? Havent u spent all of recent times praying for just that?
@ Antisa i meant normally every 2 years president is elected of the Savez we had from 1991-1998 like 4 diff presidents of HNS
Mirkec,
I agree but Boban will never join. Especially with this group of mafijasi. Suker was a mafijas even before his playing days. He was always with the “ZG underworld.”
From info i got it looks like this team will play in scotland if anyone cares Pletikosa Vida Carli Lovren Strinic Srna Vukojevic Modric Kranjcar Eduardo/Jelavic Mandzukic!. 4-4-2
DETALJNO smo jučer objasnili moguće scenarije u nakon posljednjeg kola kvalifikacija za SP. Hrvatskoj nije nužna pobjeda u Škotskoj da dohvati play off, a samo prema jednoj, ludoj varijanti Igor Štimac ostaje bez SP-a prije baraža: ako Škotska u srijedu pobijedi na Hampden Parku, Armenija u isto vrijeme šokira Italiju u gostima, a Bugarska i Češka remiziraju u Sofiji. Armenci bi tada skočili na drugo mjesto svoje skupine i ušli na ljestvicu drugoplasiranih. Trebao bi im i poraz Hrvatske, ali i pobjeda s četiri gola razlike nad Italijom da izbjegnu mjesto najlošijeg drugog.
Izgledniji je scenarij da Hrvatska neće biti najlošija drugoplasirana momčad te da će u play offu biti nositelj, prema Fifinom renkingu. Engleska, međutim, mora u posljednjoj utakmici pobijediti Poljsku, inače Hrvatska može ostati i bez statusa nositelja! Nositelje će Fifa objaviti zajedno s novom ljestvicom, 17. listopada.
Svoje mjesto u play offu osigurali su Švedska i Portugal, trenutno također nositelji, pa smo izbjegli susret s Ronaldom, a vjerojatno s Ibrahimovićem, ako Švedska ne ispadne iz skupine nositelja izgubi li nebitnu utakmicu s Njemačkom kod kuće.
Ako BiH izravno ode na SP, Grčka će biti nositelj u play offu. Protivnici koje Hrvatska može dobiti su Francuska koja po renkingu nema status nositelja, zatim Ukrajina ukoliko završi iza Engleza, te Turska, Rumunjska ili Mađarska, Slovenija te Island. Tri je puta Hrvatska igrala play off za veliko natjecanje i svaki put pobijedila (Ukrajinu ’97., Sloveniju 2003. i Tursku 2011.), Mogli bismo gledati i reprizu.
Ždrijeb play offa na rasporedu je 21. listopada u 14 sati u Zürichu, a susreti se igraju15. i 19. studenog.
TABLICA drugoplasiranih ekipa:
1. Grčka (12) +5 19
2. Portugal (11) +7 15
3. Ukrajina (26) +7 15
4. Francuska (25) +6 14
5. Švedska (22) +4 14
6. Island (54) +1 13
7. HRVATSKA (10) +3 11
8. Turska (49) +2 10
INDEX>HR
@ Denis – Interesting stats, but, I think we are arguing two separate issues.
You’re arguing more about the quality of those groups. I agree, Asia and Concacaf are a joke.
I’m talking about getting results – you need wins to advance to a World Cup from those other groups. Six games without a win (2 losses, 4 ties as in Croatia’s possible case) does not get you out of CONCACAF or Asia.
Qualifying from Europe is much more forgiving.
@ Anonymous
The founders CSR created this website in the spirit of Croatian sports and to unite fans around the globe.
I’m not saying your beliefs are wrong. It’s just that the Anti-White or Pro-White philosophical debate doesn’t belong here.
“Stormfront” will not delete your comments. So you don’t have to invest time in writing something, and then having it deleted.
Again, you write well, and I’m sure there is a lot value you can add with your match analysis. We are more interested in hearing about that.
@anonymous,
Im done talking to you.
We need Boban or Cico Kranjcar as HNS President. Have a fair coach search not just hand this fuck the job. and agree with what Bjelica Sliskovic Ciro Baric Jozic all said the right things in the papers over past few days
@ Anonymous
This is the wrong place for Pro-White or Anti-White comments. You are entitled to your opinion, however there is a time and place for them.
The website “Stormfront,” is a place you can post. As well as many others. Why do you insist on talking about these issues here?
How about discussing Croatian football, and your analysis of matches. I’m more interested in hearing about that.
@Bobby V,
You make a good point. But it doesnt work out that way all of the time.
How about this for a stat, New Zealand was the only undefeated team in world cup 2010.
Mexico won only one game at home.
Netherlands drew with Estonia.
Europe isnt that easy. Conmebol is the hardest. Africa #2, and then I would put Europe at #3. Asia and concacaf are a joke.
@ Bobby V and that one loss was do to Robert Kovac getting red card 4-1 v england and england wanting revenge.This shmuck comes and loses 3 games in 14 months at home Swiss Scots Belgium wow. 2 meaningfull games man that fire in the national team is gone!
Most likley France will be seeded i see them winning last game but Sweden v Germany will be big for seedings and Bosna hasnt qualified yet they can kicks vs Latvia a draw and greece win group tuesday will tell us all. But we dont deserve a WC birth with this cirkus running us. Who knows and i have no problem big games being in ZG just that stadium is a joke. Poljud Makisimir Rijeka Pula Osijek should get games rotate by seeding like puppet suker said he’d do
Zagreb is a city with culture, the outskirts of Zagreb are even better…real people, hospital, kind, smart, great hosts and so on!
Split is equally as wonderful, just don’t go there as a soccer fan if the opposing team, Splicani can be heartless!
The federation must feel the pressure to come up with some kind of positive results, whether its with our senior national team or the youths – that has to be the reason they released Kovacic, Halilovic and Vrsaljko.
One loss at home in a meaningful match in 18 years – now 2 in 4 months.
@ Denis
If we lose to Scotland and then draw twice in our playoff matches, advancing to the World Cup on away goals, that would mean 6 straight qualifying matches without a win – and yet we are in Brazil.
You could not do that in any other World Cup qualifying format around the World, because of the way teams are re-grouped in Africa and Asia – and certainly not in South America.
Ivica said Sofra. Instant Hall of Fame.
@anonymous,
getting a little touchy aren’t we. At least sign in with a name. You do know your football. Why not bring that to the table. We talked about the other stuff before. Its like talking to a child. time out for you anonymous. Come back in 10 minutes.
so many sensitive people on this website. So what if Matesic dislikes Zagreb. Its not wrong to dislike a city. People who dislike it are not “stupid.”
i would like France to be seeded. Bring on Sweden, Ukraine, Iceland/Slovenia, or Romania/Turkey.
Sweden scares me with Zlatan. ukraine are hot. The rest are all beatable but not guaranteed. Croatia will be up for revenge against Ukraine. We will be ready. WE have to avoid Sweden.
@ IvicA
I’m afraid even if our scenario comes to fruition (France win, and Sweden loss), if the Ukraine beat San Marino they will overtake France.
As Ukraine’s last two games were world cup qualifiers, which get weighted more. Where as France’s last game was a friendly which gets weighted less.
I have nothing against Zagreb, great city and I have family over there. I got family in Dalmatia too!
@ U Boj
Thanks for reminding me to stay positive.
Zagreb DOES need to serve all of Croatia, “every city, town, village etc…”
Dalmacija beef with Zagreb goes way deeper than Hajduk and Dinamo.
Put the match in Split or Osijek.
Strucnjak Stimac will send reerves vs Scotland lets go predict stimacs formationa will we see another 3-6-1 hahah
@U boj,
You make a good point. So let me ask you this, is Scotland a better team than Croatia? Obvious answer.
In the end there are multiple factors that decide the outcome of a soccer game. A full stadium can only help Croatia. I take that back, a full stadium in Istanbul was against Turkey after they gave up early goals against Croatia.
@ Ante B
Even though I’m a dalmo, my woman and I always make sure to hit up Zagreb every time we go.
She loves the malls and the food (mainly mlinci). I loved it for the parties back in the day, but now I like it for the food (the cusine is very different from the south) and hanging out on Tkalciceva, the Trg, and a few other nooks and crannys that make it great. ZG has better cevapi than ST too. Bosanci even say that it’s on par or better than what they have in Sarajevo. Must be cuz of that Sofra, I dunno.
Anyone bashing ZG doesn’t know what they are talking about. ST is awesome, but so is ZG. They are completely different, but equally good. I was attacked by BBB back in the day, but that still didn’t turn me off from the city.
Let’s hope more Scottish players don’t get hurt. I want to play their first string, because, their second string kicked our ass.
@Croatia vs. Antwerp
That would be good news if France could be seeded. It would give Stimac yet another excuse for some more losses.
France beating Finland with Germany beating Sweden is a very possible result. Germany will probably beat Sweden just to make up for that 4-4 comeback Sweden had back in Berlin.
But what about Ukraine? They’ve been on a hot streak and are just behind France in the rankings. I guess beating Poland and Andorra won’t be giving them many points anyway.
Non-Purgeri or Zagreb folks talking about Zagreb and it’s fans is akin to Sloth from Goonies doing Crossfit while signing Rihanna and Ivo Robic. I’ll quote my wife who wasn’t a fan of Zagreb before I took her there and she spent time there as a local: “I hated Zagreb before you but then I saw it through your eyes. I love this city and the reason people don’t is because they don’t know it like I do. I don’t blame them but now when they talk against it, they’re stupid.”
Rankings update: France needs to beat Finland and Sweden has to lose to Germany, for France to overtake Sweden in the Fifa rankings. This results in France being a seeded team, and us avoiding them in the playoffs.
Igor,your a fucking jerk off! Cheer against your own?
They could all sit out…
@Dennis modric,corluka,rakitic all on yellows.
Only an “educated” person can be convinced that ‘War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, and Ignorance is Strength.
@MatesicMethod, your family is just a “socio-cultural construct”.
@Denis
We play the game because we thought we could win but after the disaster by perisic and the mistake on the second goal no chance. You can’t blame the fans or lack of fans for Perisic mistake.
Hell we had 25,000 at the Scottish game who were cheering us on, singing the anthem with pride and look what happened.
Team has to pick it up and I believe they will for the playoffs as long as they don’t start making execuses for the recent games like fans, location, etc.
Hot off the wire……Norwich City defender, Steven Whittaker suspended against Croatia….
I am hoping for the “3-0” result, only in our favor. Lets smash Scotland and go into the playoff with some confidence.
@Hrvatski Skip Baylic,
hahahah. awesome name!
@Matesic,
Im with you brother. I like Zagreb, its not that bad 🙂
@U boj,
“Belgium was the better team and no twelve man would of changed that.”
Yes, you are right. But “the better team” doesnt always win. Also, even Vegas knows that the home team gets the better odds because of the 12th man.
Why play the game? Croatia should have just said, “Belgium is better, we will take a day off and give Belgium the 3-0 forfeit win.”
@Igor Rukavic,
“There was nothing Croatia could’ve done to prevent failing against Belgium.”
Are you serious? We lost 2-1 not 3-0. A fluke penalty and we draw. We were outplayed in brussels and we drew.
Belgium is better I agree. But Croatia and belgium are not miles apart. A little luck on our side, a full rockin Maksimir, perisic on the bench for olic/eduardo/vukojevic, and we come out of there with a draw.
I still believe that you should NEVER “not cheer for the repka.”
14 players, all Croatian, needed our support on friday. We failed to show up until Kranjcar scored the goal.
Do me a favor, watch this video up until the national anthems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFMljuQUsgk
Look at the fear in the faces of Italian players. They had no clue what they are getting themselves into. Look at our players how we fed off the energy.
People are like kids sometimes. Even at work, when someone tells you, “well done”, you feel good and feed off of that. You work better as a result.
Croatia needs us now when we are down.
I agree with Ziva on hosting the match in Split. Splicani would look at the match to roast the HNS, and SMS. However, if we do win, the atmosphere would be fantastic. Hit or miss on that one.
@ Bobby V,
I disagree with you on Europe being an easy qualifying zone. There might be one or two groups that have it easy, but thats it.
Asia is a joke. Australia, Korea, Japan and then goodnight.
Concacaf is a joke. US is decent at best. No European names. Mexico is a fraction of themselves. Costa Rica, Honduras and Panama would be lucky to get a point in Brazil.
conmebol is the hardest qualifying by far. They play everyone twice. Luckily this year they dont have brazil.
Africans deserve more. I would give them one more spot. Football in africa is on the rise. I would take that playoff spot from concacaf or Asia and give it to africa.
@Vlad,
I get what you and others are trying to say. I just dont see fans not showing up as the solution to the problem. All of Croatia is corrupt from top to bottom. Maybe the european union can change some of this who knows. I was against us joining the Union, however, the union might actually bring some order. When I wrote “from the top” I meant the government Jadranka Kosor and all her friends to the “bottom” a waiter working for free for 1 month and then let go because “we dont need you anymore”. There is mafia at every level. Until this changes, the national team will be run by mafia. So much money in football.
Ziva’s right, there are too many radical elements in Split. They would turn on the team as soon as they start to lose.
Besides they would use the match as excuse to vent their frustrations towards Stimac and the HNS. And they associate the HNS with Zagreb–a city they dislike–because the organization is run out of there. And there are many Zagrebcani in the HNS.
With the overall state of the economy in Croatia, Split struggling, the hatred toward Stimac, HNS, and Zagreb in general, a match there could implode.
@ Denis i get what youre trying to say with the fans, yes sure the players deserve a full house but this isnt a perfect world. Yes there is politics in all phases of life all around the world and their will always be in croatian sports. under markovic their was all kind of bullshit going on too but it was at a level people could tollerate, this curent regime have taken the sranje to another level which people cant take any more. Playing a player like sammir who wouldnt even make team canada starting 11 and played a brazalian who sucks at HOME was nothing but bullshit and a slap to all croats, basiclly the way i looked at it was f**k you to the public we can do whatever we want. The way stimac bullshits the media calling out players and the pure idiotcy of his tactics were a top 10 nation in the world of football dosent matter if the rankings are a joke thats what it says, but at the moment belize have more structure than we do. Mamic suker and stimac have turned our national team into a joke and i for one have no problem with th fans telling them how they feel and i think they should continue to do so.
On another topic, what’s this talk about that American Equity firm looking at Istra 1961 now?
My family’s from Splitsko-Dalmatinska, but I like Zagreb a lot. It’s a good place to visit. I can understand the hate between the two sides on a soccer level, but not as an actual people (and this coming from people who have barely spent time in either ST or ZG, if at all).
nobody should be critical of the fans from friday…….they reflect the opinion of the majority…..
I was and am not trying to get a ZG vs ST on who has better fans. Both are amazing.
Hard to believe that we can potentially lose to Scotland twice and beat only Wales, Macedonia, Serbia, and Iceland to make the World Cup.
Makes you believe FIFA is letting too many teams from Europe into the final 32. Qualifying in other regions is much more difficult, outside of maybe CONCACAF.
Anybody catch the overhead bicycle kick from Mexico with 4 minutes left to keep them alive?
Halilovic will not play against Scotland. He has been sent to the under – 17 team.
There was nothing Croatia could’ve done to prevent failing against Belgium.
Enthusiastic crowd support or not, Belgium is levels above Croatia in quality, it was inevitable they would top us.
Croatia have never beaten the scots in football before and I hope that trend continues come tuesday.
Stimac and co. make it very easy to not cheer for the repka
I think it’s time we give Alen Halilovic a full game for Croatia he was once again wasting away on the bench. Either way we are losing so nothing to lose. Put him on the wing he’s fast and skillful, will provide good attack and energy. He looked alright in the friendly against Portugal.
lets not start a ZG vs Split debate regarding fans…..there are die hard fans in ZG, but the city is so much bigger. Look at the hockey fans for Medvescak. The term I like to use is fickle sports fans in ZG. They show up if there is something to show up for. but, lets not make this a blame game…..we should all applaud the people of ZG for no-showing on Friday…..this was a good thing…..
If you guys think playing in Split will make a difference, then I disagree with you. There is no doubt Poljud would be filled for a playoff game, but that crowd will be looking for a reason to turn on the team and Stimac. As soon as they fall behind, the crowd would turn and all the fun would start because many of our players are mental midgets and would fall apart.
Remember, Stimac is more hated in Split than he is in ZG………he, along with the current captain of the repka (Srna) took money from Hajduk is an organized scam. Or did some of you forget that?
Does having a 12th man an advantage in sports in general? Absolutely! A strong home crowd can motivate and give the home team a little extra motivation on the pitch. I’m just saying that even with a full stadium on Friday, I still seeing us losing that game. Fans can cheer and motivate and make it more difficult for opposing teams, but they can’t win games. If cro want to have a home crowd advantage they should be playing games in split! I was at the Serbia game in March in maksimir, atmosphere was really good, I just expected something even more greater. ZG fans are great fans but they don’t compare to splitcani
Come on matesic. Love your positive thoughts but now you shit on Zagreb. Really uniting everyone? I have no connection to Zagreb but the city is not as bad as you make it. We are all Croatian, every city, town and village.
@Denis. You miss the point. Belgium was the better team and no twelve man would of changed that. The boys did not play well and need to face it. Saying that I can still see them making Brazil and a packed house showing up for the playoff game. They play better with backs against the wall and fire in the heart.
i wonder if they would select a different city for the playoffs……but, can you imagine how the players would shit their pants if they fall behind our are trailing in Poljud.
Belgium didn’t win because they had 3K fans….they won because they are better and on a good roll and we have a bunch of negativity around the repka……perfect storm for belgium.
again, props to the fans for no-showing.
“Race” is a socio-cultural construct.
This site exists to unite “Croatians fans around the World!”
@ all the NEGATIVNA .
When we make our run in Brazil. Just remember you punked up during times of duress. Mommy’s belly is not the real world. SHIT happens in soccer and life. It is how you respond to it that defines your character.
Actually I feel we have made progress since 2010 when we came in third to a predictable Ukraine and an English side that this Belgium team would beat like a drum.
Yes an elite coach would take our talent to a world class level. Unfortunately we cannot afford that.
The boys will win in Glasgow as Zagreb was a shit crowd for them.
Split even Osijek for the playoffs.
Zagreb is a cynical city. Been there many times. It’s like Prague took a crap on it self and forgot to take a shower.
Can’t wait to have Rijeka host a match in its new stadion.
It’s hilarious how all of you are staunch Croatian Nationalists simply because you were born Croatian of course, while at the same time thinking that a white person being a staunch pro-white is somehow “evil”. What kind of abuse did mommy professor subject you to that you could be completely unaware of your DOUBLE-THINK, and completely lose your NATURAL instinct for racial survival???
We will make the play-offs. There is every chance we will make Brazil. Now what would happen if we make the knockout stage and go on a run to the semi finals at least? Everyone will sing Stimac’s praises (just like they did when we took 10 points from our first 4 games (Ziva Istina included)) and all of this qualifying episode will be forgotten.
If you like/dislike Stimac from a personal perspective thats your business. If you think the federation is a mess then that is also your business. But I find it difficult to accuse Stimac of being a clueless idiot. Everyone cried GENIUS when he started Radosevic, the same was cried when he started Kovacic. If Kovacic plays in the play-offs, Vukojevic MUST start. Put Vukojevic behind Modric and Kovacic, have Strinic and Srna operating the wings, Rakitic in behind Mandzukic and Eduardo/Olic/Jelavic. I hope he continues this 3 at the back system, I think it’s effective and it’s up to the players to show intelligence and creativity on the pitch.
@Miro,
1st, never again Kranjcar and Rakitic in the same lineup.
2nd, I dont see an upgrade to Stimac. Who would we bring in that would accept that type of salary? Again, I’m not supporting Stimac, just looking for answers.
A few years back we wanted to fire Bilic. Slaven qualified us for the euro and we were 1 Rakitic header away from the quarterfinals.
Someone posted this on Ante B’s facebook today. This is for those of you that think the 12th man doesnt matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFMljuQUsgk
Tell me that Belgium would have still won in this atmosphere. Lukaku would take the first flight back to Congo.
That is what I’m talking about. UNITED!!!!!
svi svi svi za Hrvatsku…. Zovi, samo zovi….. Our boys are calling us. We can take them to Brazil.
@ Ziva . I Can imagine a World with More Good People from Split ! The World Would be a Better Place ! Splicani are People that are Happy , Nice , & Easygoing ,Not Negative Miserable People like U – Pizdo ! U FAKE Ass Hajduk , & HNS Fan ! For all we know U probably are Not even Croatian ! Tell Us Something Good once , Just Once ! Just because U are Allways Pissed Off , Don’t make Us feel like everything Sucks too like yourself ! Leave Split , & its Good People Alone U Bum ! Peace Out !! Bog , Hrvati , USA , Champion L.A. Galaxy , Hajduk , i HNS !!!
Define splican
Amen to that……could you imagine a planet with even more Splicani!!!!
@Steve and Horvat, it’s always a pichka ti materina, and a myku ti yebim and a good idi u curac, sorry about the spelling.
I once told a Russian when I shot him the face to pushi mi curac.
We are a great race, fun a shit and I’m really glad that the whole planet isn’t Croatian, because nothing would get done and if it did, it would happen after a 2 month argument
.
Horvat and there’s nothing wrong with that mentality. In fact I think thats what seperates us from everyone else.
@The Golden Child you are right about Kalinic, but like all the guys upfront, then don’t shoot on goal. We gave the africans and muslims the two goals. At the end of the day it’s about upsetting the defense, and when you take shots on goal even if they’re not close it upsets them and then make mistakes.
I’d go on but remember this. It’s just a game.
´Prijatelji´
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9e-yvaVeHA
Something all Croatian fans and media should try to remember is that for a country with a population of four and a half million, Cro has done nothing but over achieve.
We will never be the best in the world.
The problem is that Croatian people can not accept being second best to anyone.
Best points so far:
Kurdish Kroat
Along with Vrsaljko, we continuously have a problem getting the ball into a dangerous spot. You would think these guys would be practicing getting balls whipped into the box since that’s our MAJOR STRENGTH. All either side really has to do is put it in the air with pace. I would say half of the balls they threw in were on the ground and easily defendable.
Also Kalinic didn’t play too terribly. I don’t ever think we play Mandzukic for 35 minutes, but we have to play with two forwards, and I like someone behind those two. Put Rakitic there and Modric as a false 9. Rakitic can move back when Modric makes his runs, but whatever the fuck Stimac has them doing now has been deplorable at times.
Also, I don’t know if you guys noticed but Kranjcar and Kalinic looked HUNGRY. They wanted to push play, and they were getting after it. Be it fresh legs or actually being excited to play for the repka, you need to take these guys into consideration as subs. That was the one thing that Stimac did that I could applaud. Niko was also the only one with brains enough to pepper the goal with that bouncing shot. It’s raining boys, the probability of the keeper mishandling the ball is much greater. Nobody seemed to be more aware of that than NIko.
true……malo nas je al nas ima………….ali, mozda nas necu biti na SP.
@imocan……..I’ll save tactics for another day. Honestly, I am not around the team in training, so tough to make a tactical line up without seeing how the players respond to each other and in which formation.
On a side note. This is a reminder to the race baiters and those traitors that don’t see color. Genetically we are different, not perfect, but it’s who we are. We are few in numbers but we’re here, I’d like to keep it that way. We’ve always been a thorn to somebody side3 over the centuries, the Turks, Italians, the commies, the Amerikwans.
Keep your head up on fellas.
Malo nas je al nas ima
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZZz5635bz4
people are saying ziva for coach, but he never has any ideas or tactics on the team. he just keeps filtering his small about of jokes.
no chance i have ziva running the team.
19miro50@ we cant start rakitic and krancjar on the wings and then complain wen they doont perform…and how do u expect them to get down the line to cross???? theyre slow as fuck
kranjcar and raketa should never be in the smae lineup, just start either one depending on form behind mandza
http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/igor-stimac-siguran-na-kormilu-vatrenih–nitko-od-mene-nece-traziti-ostavku–/1132497/
Stimac, defiant as ever……….which the downfall even more enjoyable to watch when it happens.
Ziva for coach !
All i know is that the team stimac calls up the line up should have been Pletikosa Carli Sifo Lovren Strinic-Rakitic Vukojevic Modric Kranjcar Mandzo Ola. 4-1-3-2 and dominate the middle and have Kranjcar Rakitic cross th ball send long balls to ola and Mandzo and get corners and be aggressive i know im repeating my self from early post Subs Eduardo for kranjcar around the 65-70 min Kovacic for Rakitic or Vukojevic and if really needed Benko For Strinic and the shift to all attack no 3-6-1 formantion maybe if we are at brzil and we master it but not in 3 days Igore
@ Denis i wish i knew!
All i know is that the fans back home all want him fired and want SMS deported from croatia so Sammir is good engough for croatia but Benko Tomecak Kramaric and others are not beacuse they play in weak hnl
Bobby V make Ziva the fucking coach,
Denis, you play Pranjic at a defensive left back like he’s played in the past and put in Klasnic up top. Fly in a couple of balls and have Ivan snaps the keepers neck.
While my tactics are possibly extreme. I think we need players that won’t be pushed around and yes Denis we got pushed around in the middle.
Grant you we’re in right now, BUT if we lose in Scotland we should NEVER field a team unless we have our shit together. Just showing up is bullshit.
BTW – Is there a way to find out who owns the contracts on the players? Does Mamic gain money by Perisic having a good day and he gets transferred?
I agree with whoever said it. Get a coach for the NT that’s not connected to the gypsy. Hell Mexico’s new coach is Croatian.
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@Miro,
Yes, this is true. So now what is the solution?
@Miro,
Then Lovren made the mistake. Lovren is a good player, but he is known to make boneheads plays, like Simunic in his early years.
Hajduk Legend – BAKA
Sramota je kako je Štimac krivicu svalio na igrače. Čovječe, ti si vođa toga broda pa daj jednom reci, ‘moja odgovornost je najveća, prihvaćam je!’. Igor je dobio priliku da vodi reprezentaciju da bi sutra u njegovom rezimeu pisalo da je vodio Hrvatsku pa će moći otići u Englesku. Čudi me da ljudi u HNS-u drže takvog izbornika. Doduše, nije kriv Igor, nego oni koji su ga postavili – rekao je Slišković i dodao:
– Štimac je sklopio pakt sa Mamićem, u stilu “ajmo se mi malo posvađat, pa ćemo se pomirit”, pa ću ja tebi napravit pojedinu uslugu, a ti meni vratiti… Ma narod sve to vidi! Nisu ljudi budale!
@ Denis no Stimac didnt order him Stimac said in his post game it was a stupid mistake by Lovren and Rakitic he thaght that Rakitic would go for goal it was a nice shooting position.
I just dont see any pamet in this guy stimac i Never want HRV to fail but SMS have made it hard for me to watch the game. Player like Pletikosa and Modric saying maybe we should play in another stadion ahahahah thats not the problem for a game like this people would have drove and took buses it not like croatia is a huge country, the negavice energy would have been seen in poljud osijek rijeka pula varazdin Vukovar because SMS are above the Reprezentacija
@Bobby V,
You answered your own question. I agree.
The amount of cynicism on display here is staggering. I thought I could come here , voice my opinion and gets some positive feedback and mingle with the diaspora, but obviously everyone (more or less) is on the same plane bound to take a nosedive into the Atlantic before it ever reaches Brazil. I think I’ll be sticking to index.hr and sportnet from now on.
“when your center back moves up for a corner or free kick, someone should take his place in the back. And if a counter takes place, a smart soccer player has to realize and know how to take a foul that result in – at worse – a yellow. We have some players on the repka who are dumb and have bad soccer IQ.”
true. But we dont know who set all this up. Did Stimac order Lovren to move up on that free kick. If so, who was covering him in case of a counter? Did Lovren just run up on his own.
I dont blame Carli on that play. Sometimes you go for the ball and if youre a split second short, the striker passes you by. Carli misjudged it but at the same time, couldnt keep up with Lukako in a foot race if he held back.
Nema pritiska. Doveo sam hrvatski nogomet i HNS ovdje gdje smo dugi niz godina zajedno s još nekim ljudima. Neće nitko od mene zahtijevati ostavku, pogotovo ne kad smo osigurali dodatne kvalifikacije i dvije utakmice koje nas mogu odvesti na SP – kaže Štimac i dodaje kako ima podršku HNS-a.
– Davor je bio sa mnom cijelu večer. Zajednički smo ušli u ovaj ciklus i imam podršku svih u savezu. Što se tiče povika s tribina prema meni, nisam u pitanju samo ja. Ako odem ja, na redu je Davor pa Zdravko pa svi drugi.
Nije jasno Štimcu zašto dolaze kritike.
– Pa jesmo li izgubili šansu za Svjetsko prvenstvo? Na osnovu čega dolaze te kritike? Čini se kako otkad sam ja izbornik nije bitan rezultat, nego ljepota igre. Moje je da odradim ovaj ciklus i ja ću ga odraditi najbolje što znam. Nisam ušao u ovaj posao jer mi je prioritet novac. Da mi je to prioritet, ne bih bio ovdje. Ovo radim iz strasti i ljubavi prema hrvatskom nogometu – dodao je Štimac u razgovoru za Dnevnik Nove TV.
The only reason I’d like a foreign coach is that he wouldn’t give a flying fuck about what Mamic wanted him to do – then again, that’s why we won’t ever have one.
For the negative people criticizing us for being positive – don’t come back here after we qualify for the World Cup. You’ll make asses out of yourselves talking about anything concerning the World Cup and our chances.
@Ziva,
I disagree.
“because the short term pain will eventually result in long term excitement and glory.”
Tell me about this long term excitement and glory. How do we achieve this?
If Stimac is fired, some other unqualified manager will be hired.
If this team qualifies for the world cup, we can make some noise. The players will be pumped and give it their all. The fans(including Zagreb) will travel to Brazil to support. If we go 3-0 or 0-3 in group stage it will be a success.
This is my philosophy, I read an article where this doctor was married four times. Today, he is single and in the end he realized that his first wife was the best one.
Croatians are never satisfied. Do we have mafia in the HNS? yes. Do we have mafia all over Croatia? yes. nothing will change anytime soon.
support your team and the players through thick and thin.
What about the positive things: No sammir, No sertic, no olic(for some people).
Rakitic is out v scotland shock his boy Dammir no call. Kovacic Vrsaljko Bubnijc sent to U21s. ademi and hhahah rupa Maloca get call ups. maybe we see benko v Scotland why not
@Ziva
“Friends, I know many of you are mad, ashamed, embarrassed, depressed……”
“Remember, Ziva Istina is here for you. There is a solution for every bit of trouble.”
lol.. i need a hug :_(
@ Ziva Carli Vida Lovren all have low soccer iq hell i think they have low everyday iq by there mo. what did Vida do the whole game if Stimac can be izborinik so can all of us on this webiste hell why not wheres Stimacs resume. Sifo Eduardo Olic Vukojevic all should have played v belgium.
Pletikosa Carli Sifo Lovren Strinic Rakitic Vukojevic Modric Kranjcar Olic Mandzo thats the team that should of played and Eduardo Kovacic Benko off the bench thats what alot of ex coaches and players said. Only Stmac can perfect a 3-5-2 in 3 days Kreten
who cares about seeding at this point…….the only teams and fans of teams who care about seedings are those teams and fans of teams who don’t think their team can win the world cup and need an easy draw to make it.
did u place more than one http link in it ??
Here’s something we haven’t yet discussed: the impact of this loss on ranking and the potential spin-offs as far as that goes and seedings. I know we will be seeded for play-off but world cup proper, i mean ?
soccer 101……..when your center back moves up for a corner or free kick, someone should take his place in the back. And if a counter takes place, a smart soccer player has to realize and know how to take a foul that result in – at worse – a yellow. We have some players on the repka who are dumb and have bad soccer IQ.
Klasnicu je vrime proslo takoder pranjicu nemoj sto vise traziti hvala i bog. We dont have wingers and backs who send crosses into 16 Vrsaljko did a good job yesterday Strinic want bad only if he had a right foot to blast the ball. Stimac isnt a coach anyway he needed to find some talnet and test it in friendlies instead of worring what people whould say after a loss and since people hated Stimac from day 1 negative energy he fucked it all up. In the HNL Tomecak Kramaric Benko from rijeka and more should have been given looks at. Dinamo is a disaster Selling players all over buying foreigners and sending youth to Lokomotiva. hajduk have young players for future dont know right now. rest of Hnl also has nice players but we dont have a coacj to test them.Our under 21 coach the great niko kovac is going well with the youth players and i hope he develops them for International nogomet.
Some times coachs need to have guts remember Bilic at euro 2012 took Olic(didnt get called or injured) Kranjcar Simunic Eduardo all bench players took a chance with jelavic Perisic Sifo and it had its ups downs but in the end of day he tryed something new,Why does Rakitic have to be in first 11 or simunic corluka even modric and Mandzo says who? The cult of national team is diening and i thought that 2002-2004 was the dark period for national team but no they didnt embarsses themselves like this team today.
Questio for everyone, would you rather have Stimac or Jurcic run the national team?
@Vatrena cast,
What has Stimac done before this gig that Jurcic hasn’t done? Jurcic and Stimac are are inches apart not miles apart.
Once again, props to the ZG crowd public yesterday for no-showing. I was reading some of the Belgium news sites earlier today in the fortified basement and there were many articles questioning why the low turnout in ZG for a must win game. It appears the low attendance is a story…….well done. Now, other parts of Europe are beginning to know what a mess our federation is today.
@Mishko,
Comments with links dont go through for some reason. We have to approve them. Dont worry, we will approve them as soon as we get to them. In your case, 10 minutes.
I agree and disagree with your comments. Klasnic looks like hes done. Dude was a monster, but dude hasn’t played all season.
I like Pranjic and Kranjcar too. However, our problem is that we have Pranjic-Rakitic-Kranjcar all playing the same position. Kranjcar looks to be reborn again by recently transferring to England. Dude did nothing in ukraine.
Mandzukic doesnt get pushed around. Corluka doesnt get pushed around. Simunic doesnt get pushed around. Poor Kovacic and Modric are little guys. Life isnt easy for them on the pitch. Lovren should have been back there for that second goal. Lovren moved up on that free kick and got burned.
so now I read that the solution is to bring back Klasnic and Pranjic………and what have they done in the last two years on the club scene???????
Friends, I know many of you are mad, ashamed, embarrassed, depressed…….well, don’t be. First, don’t let the emotions get to you. I keep telling you that. Because when you let the emotions get to you, we get crazy commentary…….crazy commentary like public funding for a new coach, crazy commentary like brining back washed up players like Klasnic and Pranjic. Do you see what I am trying to tell you guys…….separate the emotion and you will be able think clearly.
I’ve given you the easy solution, now lets all hope it happens. We need to lose and lose bad on Tuesday so that Strucnjak Stimac is fired. So, when you guys go to church tomorrow, say a little prayer for a blowout loss…..because the short term pain will eventually result in long term excitement and glory.
Remember, Ziva Istina is here for you. There is a solution for every bit of trouble.
Reprezentacija nije igracka! The national team is not a toy but SMS have made it into one. Mamic should be in jail i dont care what he does with Dinamo im not a Dinamo fan but we all are HRVATSKA fans and he is messing with us, the one thing that the common man had in croatia after a shit job not getting paid on time and pointless bills he could root for his national tem. Mamic has destroyed that with SS.Hiring Stimac based on what please.hats like America fire Klinsmann and hire Alexi Lalas beacuse Lalas is Studio anylist,hell lets hire Vlaovic hes our studio anyslit.Bando unistili ste drzavu i svetu Reprezentaciju sram ih bilo cigani! And now i hear Igovno(stimac) back traking From We are second to Spain and we will win Wc to BElgium are better and our goal was playoffs
Why is my previous comment being moderated?
@ Denis, nogomet is a pretty simple sport, score more goals than the other team. I’m a firm believer at playing players that have produced. While a lot are NOW on the bandwagon about Kranjcar, I’ve been saying that from day one. Minus his faults, as I’m sure the jew Ziva will point out, he scores goals. And has saved our bacon many a time.
I’ve watch every single game the national team has played since 98. IMHO and this just my opinion. We’re playing with a lot of finesse and getting pushed off the ball and we’re playing players that aren’t ready.
Find fucking Klasnic, that bastard is one tough SOB and won’t take shit from anyone. Then bring in Pranjic, the guy is a bullet with great crosses and can score with his foot like Kranjcar. We need to get back into intimidating teams, not percentages bullshit.
Be got bullied by the african/muslims and that pisses me off.
To remind some people. Little fricken Pranjic has massive skill. Someone with a brain needs to call his ass up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIjaflmwMI
And Klasnic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFV3wzw5P6o
Everybody wants to go with younger players that are good, but they lack experience in tough games.
Well you “know it alls” can keep Monday morning quarter backing it. I’ll keep my opinions to myself from now on.
But I do know that a winning team takes more than just skill. It’s love of Country, teammates, and desire to win. Big Joe knows that, his red card was for us.
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@iggy no one is saying that we need to rotate the same coaches. We don’t need a foreign coach. Biggest difference between stimac and bilic is that the players had trust for bilic and bilic as corny as it sounds was their friend. The players die and fought for bilic. Stimac tries to be too much of an authority figure. The players don’t care to play for him, and with the fan support being how it is, I don’t blame them for playing how they are. We don’t need a foreign coach. We’re a small country and even making the World Cup is a huge success. Stimac needs to go but he won’t til after the World Cup. Don’t be a dumbass saying pointless stuff like jurcic, he’s obviously not a choice.
Why is everyone so opposed to a foreign coach?? They can make a tremendous difference in the fortunes of a team. Costa Rica under Milutinovic in 1990 made it to the second round (which they haven’t done since) and Australia, Russia and South Korea all benefited from having Hiddink at the helm. Otto Rehagel led Greece to glory but more importantly laid the foundation for a system which the team (with limited talent) could excel at (stats don’t lie). Or let’s play the trump card and keep rotating Croat coaches every 2 years with no previous coaching experience. Hell, why not put Jurcic in charge while were at it then we can start betting on bet365 how long the next one will last.
@Denis Svircic, fair comments.
What I admittedly do not understand is why didn’t he put in some more of the offensive minded players in the second half? Sure Olic and Eduardo may not be what they once were however for 30 or 40 minutes on the pitch they would have brought great experience and some offensive minded pressure.
Stimac interview
http://gol.dnevnik.hr/clanak/nogomet/reprezentacije/ekskluzivno-igor-stimac-gost-dnevnika-nove-tv-pricat-ce-o-ostavci-uvredama—306847.html
@Jm,
Good post. Well said. The team needs our support.
Anyone who wants a foreign coach is a fuckin idiot. Public funding? I’m with ziva what planet do you live on? Mann..
@Ivica,
“Maybe I’m just an optimist…but the post game comments made by the players, along with the relatively decent play yesterday, makes me feel like they can turn the corner.”
I agree.
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If Stimac plays this same lineup, but pulls Strinic back as a fourth defender. It would have made a remarkable difference. ”
I agree.
“As much as we’d all like Stimac replaced, it won’t happen without missing the World Cup and I don’t think even you would be willing to sacrifice a second World Cup in a row to replace him with another potential Stimac.”
Line of the year.
“This is our coach for the next three games at least. We have to cope with it and just hope that the players manage to work twice as hard and succeed, despite the poor coaching (just like we have done many times in the past).”
Nothing for me left to say.
“There is no way that we should be struggling to qualify for the World Cup ”
So many countries struggle to qualify for the world cup.
Uruguay. So much talent.
Portugal, couldnt beat israel at home with arguably the best player in the world. They are lucky to have an easy group.
Sweden needed a late goal from Zlatan
Im sure there are others. Senegal will be watching the World Cup on a 25 inch TV.
@Vlad,
Yes, the savez doesnt deserve the 12th man. But the players do.
@Ziva,
“But, when you have the idiots up at the top, the public rather watch at home than come to a run-down stadium. ”
This is true. However, if no one showed up to watch, Croatians will watch a Croatia-less world cup on TV. Will anything change from this? I dont think so, not anytime soon anyways.
@Igor,
“There is nothing wrong with rooting for the opposition, if it is for the greater good of the repka.”
What good will come out of it? Croatia not making the world cup? Croatia had Bilic as manager, everyone was happy with him and we didnt qualify for the world cup.
I am not defending Stimac. I think he is average at best. It all depends who you replace Stimac with? Do you want Mamic to bring in Jurcic? It can always get worse my friend.
Croatia expected to finish second. check
Croatia expected to beat Serbia. check.
Croatia wasnt expected to lose at home to Scotland. Shit happens. Malta, Georgia, etc etc.
@Anon,
“We are not a ten team.”
We new this going in to qualifying. But we are good enough to make the world cup.
@DarkoCanada,
I didnt think the defense was terrible. I thought Perisic was terrible, Kovacic got punked, and Rakitic looked fatigued which Stimac later confirmed that he was fatigued. Lovren-Corluka-Vida played good for only a three man backline.
Lovren screwed up on the second goal by pushing forward on the free kick and Belgium were off and running. Corluka went for the ball, but didnt take out the player like Simunic did against Serbia. Lukaku was off and running. One mistake from Corluka and one from Lovren, that was it.
@Kurdish boy croatian blood,
welcome! Thanks for supporting!
Long live Kurdistan. You people need your own country. What are there like 50 million of you scattered around the world? The largest nationless people thats for sure.
@Igor Rukovic,
I disagree. Croatia will win in Glasgow. It might not be pretty, but we will get the W.
@CroatHrvat,
Good to read comments from someone calm and optimistic for a change.
-Kovacic was punked
-Lovren and the back three played well.
-Lukaku was our only problem and we were scared of his speed.
-Mandzukic needs help. Dude was left all alone up top with no service.
“GENERAL play was much better than anything I’ve seen in the last couple years. We still have a problem in chance creation, really big problem”
Overall, I think you are right.
@Rijecanin,
Benko? Might be worth taking a look. However, there isnt much time to include him right now. Also, we have a surplus of strikers playing around Europe.
@”The Anonymous1″,
Of course there are multiple factors why we lost on Friday.
A) Stimac,
B) Savez
C) empty maksimir
D) formation
E) players not good enough.
I mean the list goes on and on. My argument is that the fans have failed the team. So we had 8000 fans at the game. At halftime, most of them left because of the rain and the deficit. After the Kranjcar goal, the remaining 3000 or so fans showed up and Belgium was on the ropes. This energy from the stands gave the team a spark.
Remember Istanbul a few years back. Olic scored in the 4th minute, the crowd gave up, booed, and the series was over after 20 minutes. Turkey is not a bad side. Hiddink was on the bench. The crowd ended that game. The players didnt have that support and felt ashamed.
Hell, maybe we can have a bake sale. As long as kranjcar doesn’t eat all of the baked goods.
I think HNS has made enough $$$ over the years by making big tournaments, licensing, merch and etc
They don’t need our assistance.
The idea of getting the public to fund anything those mafiosos might get their dirty hands on might be one of the most absurd things I’ve read on here lol
Its my understanding that Real madrid and ManU are publicly funded enterprises – obtaining funds from their governments (taxes). This would not be much different, except it would be on a national level and through a third party. It could also be a self professed publicity stunt to garner the attention of the world media because it’s never been done before (of course finding a medium would be tough – i think kickstarter only funds ‘artists’ projects), but instead of fans just throwing insults at each other on forums and the like why not at least TRY to change something because with the way things are going the only time your kids will be seeing the repka is within the confines of the dilapidated ruins of the Maksimir stadium – playing in front of 800 fans.
So, now you want the fans to pay for a coach. On what planet do you live. The fans don’t want to attend matches, what makes you think they will pay for a coach…
@Iggy P
Suker had a bit of a falling out with Heynckes back in their Madrid days. Don’t think it would work.
How ’bout this: If the HNS won’t dish out the assets to acquire a foreign coach why not crowd source it on Kickstarter? There’s enough people out there who are fed up with the treatment the repka is getting so if every Croat out there would pitch in a kuna, that would be enough. It’s audacious to say the least, but why not give it a go just to see the response it gets…Let’s go after Heynckes…together.
This also leaves me confident for the game against Scotland. We dominated possession and got shots off. They got one lucky goal. As a betting man, I place my money on cro for a win on tuesday regardless of recent results
This is why I liked the formation yesterday, believe they should stay with it, and thought we actually didn’t play that bad. With the exception of the Wales Osijek game, we had the most shots on goal that we’ve had all qualifying and considering it was against a quality opponent, i think this is significant.
Opponoent Shots On Goal Possession
Mac 4 1 52
Bel 3 1 46
Wal 27 18 76
Mac 8 2 50
Ser 9 5 46
Wal 19 6 61
Sco 19 2 65
Ser 2 1 45
Bel 14 6 58
Kovacic, vrsaljko sent to under 21 team
– This really annoys me. The repka has very few games and has now lost two in a row. There needs to be chemistry built. And we need a win to get a positive feeling back. I don’t understand why you would send two potential starters down to play for the u-21 team.
FANS SHOULD GIVE SUPPORTS
– Disappointed in the fans. Although I’m sympathetic to trying to protest the corruption I still think there should be support for our players. These players don’t need to play for the national team. Modric is earning millions of dollars playing for Real Madrid. He doesn’t need to be on that field in the 85th minute flying through the air onto his back. Mandzo doesn’t need to be out there hobbling around on a hurt ankle. But they do it cause they want to represent croatia. The fans should support them and back them for it regardless of the corruption
DON’T BLAME STIMAC
– I don’t blame stimac for yesterday’s loss. Like I said, I liked the formation. I thought the offensive flow was better then it has been in some time. Replacing vrsallko with srna for all those crosses will help. The play was not that bad. One stupid perisic mistake. And one beast play by lukaku
@DarkoCanada
Yea , but other teams don’t have Real Madrid’s #10 and Bayern Munich’s #9 yet still have crazy problems in scoring goals.
There is no way that we should be struggling to qualify for the World Cup relying on an Italy goal in Denmark to prevent us from being the worst 2nd placed team. I just pray that we don’t draw France in the playoff.
Yes I am shocked by the attendance. Other countries have crappy leaders but the fans turn out. Also, some of us don’t even have the opportunity to attend soccer games at that level. Hashtag Canadian soccer 😉
@vlad
Pretty much sums it up.
Rakitic actually had a killer cross with his left footed at the end of the first half that Mandzo connected well on. Too bad Courtois had excellent positioning and saved it. That would’ve been a sick header.
But it was almost like we played a 3-4-3, as Rakitic and Perisic were so deep up there floating aimlessly. All the left and right sided runs were handled by Strinic and Vrsaljko, that their roles were completely redundant.
Yes, it also didn’t help that Kova had a pretty bad game. I don’t fault Stimac for Kovacic’s play. That’s a role that Kovacic has shown he could play, but it’s always expected that you’ll always have one player who will have an off day…and it definitely wasn’t his day. But, Stimac was definitely at fault for Raketa’s role, Perisi’s rolec, and the three man backline. That’s what cost us the game.
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imocan i like youre lineup!
@ Denis svircic that savez dosent deserve a 12 man, people can only take so much crap!
Ziva and Rukovic are tools!
Hopefully you homos get a room next summer while the rest of us cheer on our Vatreni!
Rukovic, you have no predictions leading up to the game then you come on here after the loss to bash the real supporters?
Get a life dude!
win or lose against scotland if suker had any common sense hed fire stimac ive never seen two games where a coach went from one extreme of playing three strikers on the road with no midfield play to fielding 6 midfielders the next game. that 3-4-2-1 was the dumbest thing ive ever seen, how do you expect people to perform under that. you could tell in that first half the players were uncomfortable they didnt know exactly how to play. regarding rakitic i dont think he played that bad i think effort was there just not going he way and kovacic should never play defensive mid that was ugly, i liked lovern out there and strinic had a good game .
@ jarac
as soon as they fix the drainage issue at Poljud they should get the game
@Igor Rukovic
good posts on your part today
When are we gonna see a game at our beautiful POLJUD. Like luka modric said, i think its time we try new venue.
@Ziva
As much as we’d all like Stimac replaced, it won’t happen without missing the World Cup and I don’t think even you would be willing to sacrifice a second World Cup in a row to replace him with another potential Stimac.
If we had played really badly against Begium and lost 3-0, and followed it up with another loss in Scotland…then I’d believe that Suker would toss Stimac, but since we only lost 2-1 and our play had improved from the previous games, there is no way Stimac is replaced prior to the playoffs.
This is our coach for the next three games at least. We have to cope with it and just hope that the players manage to work twice as hard and succeed, despite the poor coaching (just like we have done many times in the past).
Even though a bad loss against Scotland won’t impact our status in qualifying and it would put us one step closer to having Stimac removed…I can’t root for us to lose.
This is eerily similar to the devastating Greece loss, followed up with that Latvia game. Makes me wonder if this shitty Belgium loss would unite the team for a good outing against Scotland, they way they did against Latvia before we drew Turkey in the playoffs. Maybe I’m just an optimist…but the post game comments made by the players, along with the relatively decent play yesterday, makes me feel like they can turn the corner.
This past lineup wasn’t bad at all…it was just the formation that was wrong. Kevin de Bruyne even made a comment today about how weird it was.
If Stimac plays this same lineup, but pulls Strinic back as a fourth defender. It would have made a remarkable difference. Both Belgian goals were the result of our three back defensive formation (yes, Perisic was at fault for the back pass, but the massive gap between Lovren and Corluka made it worse).
Playing a 4-5-1 is the way to go, not this 3-4-2-1. Playing the right footed Rakitic as a left winger, and a natural left winger in Perisic on the right side was also baffling (and resulted in them being invisible most of the game). But if he pulls those two positions back into the midfield (and includes players who naturally play in those areas) and pulls back Strinic into LB so Lovren doesn’t have to play there, we would be even better and it would be our only chance against a team like France or a red-hot Ukraine.
4231
starting up top mandza
3 behind him. dudu rakitic and maybe kovacic
2 behind them vukojevic and modric
back 4 strinic dejo carli srna
We wont lost to scotland twice, you heard it here first. The game yesterday was well.. disappointing to say the least. I don’t understand how perisic got a call up or even started the match. that is the mystery of the year for me. he looks slow, he looks like a 16 year old playing ball. first half we had a lot of crosses come in from the right side, not very dangerous crosses but we also never had more than one player in the box. i thought strinic played well but he over did it by trying to get into the box himself. always one touch too many. we cant do that back line of 3 because it doesnt have any speed.go back to 4 in the back. srna carli dejo and strinic. no we cant play srna as one of the wings, it wont end well trust me. he is dangerous going forward because he is the extra guy coming forward. reason he brought on vukojevic is because it was his 50th cap. mandza
dudu rakitic kovacic maybe?idk
modric vukojevic
strinic dejo carli srna
obviously our wings are our weak spot. that at the moment is our best shot.
@ziva
Bravo! That is the best post ive read today.
Spot on man.
There is nothing wrong with rooting for the opposition, if it is for the greater good of the repka.
I will be praying for a nice Scottish onslaught come Tuesday.
3-0 for the scots.
I honestly believe the following is the best thing for the repka……
We lose 2-0 or 3-0 to Scotland. Strucnjak Stimac gets fired and a new coach comes in for the playoff round. While a new coach wont be able to do much for two games, a new coach can help change some of the negativity around the team. It would be more of temporary jolt for the team. Now, who would replace Strucnjak Stimac????? Ciro, Cico, some seljak, a random HNL coach or a picture of Tomislav Ivic’s grave.
So, as we look for an answer and how we can make it to Brazil……..Let’s hope for a disasterous loss on Tuesday if it leads to Strucnjak Stimac being replaced. Because, do any of you have confidence in him that he could get it right against France, Ukraine or even Greece in the playoffs. I sure don’t, at least not based on what we have so thus far from this team and Strucnjak Stimac.
Pretty pathetic. He’s rated worse than coaches in Cro league. Have to question how did he get this job?
http://m.tportal.hr/sport/284750/Igor-Stimac-losiji-od-svih-trenera-hrvatske-lige.html
Some of you guys appear shocked by yesterday’s attendance?????? why the surprise????? Everyone knows there is a negative vibe with the repka thanks to Strucnjak Stimac and Puppet Suker.
Would it help the team if the public supported it??? Sure. But, when you have the idiots up at the top, the public rather watch at home than come to a run-down stadium. No longer is it as simple as just showing up. People want amenities.
That was so frustrating to watch yesterday for several reasons;
-attendance was terrible and an embarrassment
-defence was terrible
-Mandzukic looked slow and uninspired
-why in the second half did he not start any of the offensive guys? Where the heck were Olic, Eduardo, Jelavic, Petric? I may have missed something with all of my frustration
-the team looked in poor physical shape to me, often getting out run
I just find it hard to believe that a team with Modric, Mandzukic, Lovern, can look so uninspired at different points through the game
@the anonymous1
Good post. Too many people on this site are coming up with execuses. Everything from savez, location, coach, fans. End of the day the players have been playing horrible this year. We are not a ten team.
@denis, we lost because of the 12th man? Come on! I’d expect that coming out of stimac’s mouth. We lost because we just sucked. I always see posts about homer glasses here and to be honest this site is full of people with homer glasses on. Reality check people, we have taken a step or 2 back. Making it to Brazil will not be easy by any means, but still a good chance. Why our team is playing shitty? I have no clue. Blame coach if you want, the savez, the players? Neznam kojim je kurac, butt don’t give me this 12man bullshit.
We need a player that can score from half a chance. Benko should be in the lineup. He has scored some beautiful goals this year.
While everyone here is having a meltdown I am reasonably calm and optimistic. Yesterdays GENERAL play was much better than anything I’ve seen in the last couple years. We still have a problem in chance creation, really big problem. The formation was a success, hats off to Vrsaljko, his delivery wasn’t too good but I was impressed with his ability to find space and his technique on the ball was solid. Lovren also had a fine game.
Ziva makes a comment about Jelavic but I still want to see Jelavic play, whenever he has played Croatia has produced positive results (Belgium, Macedonia, Italy, Ireland etc.)
We all know France would be the toughest opposition but they’re not unbeatable by any means. The odds are definitely in our favour and I expect to see the team in Brazil.
As for the future, we are really taking risks right now with Kovacic. No one can tell me two runs against Serbia equates to him being an international standard player right now. He is a huge liability in the middle, often giving the ball away. Would’ve much preferred to see Vukojevic in the midfield so that Modric could’ve pushed on from time to time to link up with Rakitic and Perisic. I also prefer the variation of the formation with two strikers and one attacking midfielder instead of the Mandzukic, Rakitic and Perisic combination.
The scots are going to rub our noses in it in a few days.
Thus is the worst Croatian national side I’ve ever seen!
Sramota!
@ imocan
I couldn’t agree with you more. We don’t have any true wingers. I say either give Rebic a run (although he’s getting zero time currently) or shift Kova there. If we do that, then we need someone with a motor to play alongside Modric.
The reality is that we lack quality on the wings and have no one who can really strike the ball (consistently) from a distance. Aside from ‘Big Mac’ Kranjcar, there really isn’t anyone. Perisic is in awful form…I wouldn’t give up on him entirely but for now he must be on the bench…he’s offered nothing for the last few years for club or the repka.
As much as we hammer on Rakitic, he does have some class but he’s played nowhere near how he’s played for club…he’s been terrible for us for sometime now…time to ride the pine.
Stimac plays way too many people out of their natural position and calls this his ‘tactics’…..his ego is slowly killing this team.
for anyone who cares
australia’s coach got sacked after another 6-0 loss and the FFA of aus are in talks with HIDDINK believe it or not to get him back
Mandzukic is too heavy ?
LOL
Good morning to all my fellow Croats around the world. I woke this early in the morning following a small bout of stomach indigestion, I am. It sure whether it was caused by the crappy food I eat last night or was it a cause from the crappy game our fellow Croats played with Belgium. Best to put yesterday’s game in maksimir, Croatia learned a good lecture from a well rounded team. I clearly put the blame on our friend mr igor., although i must add that this is not a time for dismissal’s, however if he continues this road of a weak formation on the pitch, and losses, as my friend Steve P say’s, “if the players are not playing for the coach, it’s time to get a new coach”. And wtf about the lack of fans at this game, ya i know HNS mamic & hard economic times in Croatia , but still this is our national team were talking about, when living in Zagreb I would always go to see these games.. Za dom spremni !!!!
Hey everyone , I am a kurdish but my background is Croatian ,
I watched the game vs Belgium.there was a very wrong formation by the manager , even we played good football but it was only credited to the players , I think in this kinds of games which is must win game we should have played fast player and hard working player like olic or jealovic , and also a player in the box who can take every chances in side the box like Eduardo , no matter if mandzokic is playing for a big club , I would not play him till after 65 mins at least ,cos he is to heavy , I love him lots but I think there was a better player for this game , then also velasjko was choosing more than 8-12 crosses with no one of them reaching any danger places ! Also we needed player like kranjkar who can shoot from distances , because the Belgians was defending , and it was hard to go any where near the box so kranjkar have the ability
To shoot from distance , and also SRNA was a big loss , by the way I am living in Glasgow Scotland and I will go for the game at the 15 at Hamden park and I will support beautiful CROATIA , no matter if it is France or Spain or brazil , I believe we are always better team against strong teams , remember Spain game at euro ? If there was a second leg we would win the game , so please who ever comes to Glasgow let me know I would like to meet Croatian brothers even I can’t speak Croatian but I am a Croat , long life Croatia Long life to kurdistan Zagreb and zagros mountains are the same meaning
We are one nation kurt and Kruat , the same ppl you can see the text , and the closes from the culture , we was one at the time of the median empire ,
we are fine. Everyone stop panicking. Before this qualifying round started, most people predicted Belgium to top the group. Today, they topped the group. Nothing new.
our game sucks but we have the talent to get the result. Fire stimac and bring in who?
you know who lost the game for us today? The 12th man. The 12th man showed up after we scored the goal. Where was the 12th man during the game, after we got scored on? Embarrassment.
for those of you that follow American baseball, the cubs haven’t won a world series in over 100 years. Fans still show up, still cheer. Some people say that the cubs have stupid fans. A friend of mine from Chicago says ” the cubs are a religion” win or lose I am there. The 12th man should be there for Croatia.
What happened to all the positive predictions before this game?
Now y’all sulk with pessimisstic remarks. ……… LAME!
Don’t blame ziva for actually knowing what’s in front of him.
We have the likes of Iggy putting his guarantee seal of victory before the game and now predicting the dimmest scenario. LAME!
Poglavnik, matesticmethod, cico5000#, are just as guilty of this conduct. LAME!
Y’all should’ve been fully aware that we are a shithouse footballing nation and Belgium are light years ahead of us in talent. So predicting a win was just a pipe dream, the sooner you clowns relize this the better.
So hopefully when playoff time comes around I won’t have see outrageous predictions from you lot.
Be sensible, logical, and realistic about our chances, please!
LAMEWADS.
@ Imocan
That line up looks right. Except I don’t think Radosevic is ready to be a starter.
I trust Vukojevic in that position. We need a midfield destroyer to complement Modric’s artistry.
When was that playoff draw ? Oct 22 ?
we’re at the mercy of that
………Mandza………
Kova.Raketa.Srna.
……Zujo.Modric…..
Strinic.Lov.Cor.Vrsljako
……….Stipe………….
sucks that we have no natural wingers, other than maybe rebic….we neeeeeeed pace on the wings
and for the people who want to play 4-4-2, who people r idiots…the main threat comes from the wings in that formation, and we have no talent their, nor do we have two capable strikers so stfu about that formation
i hate that ziva shits on the team, he creates a win win scenario for himself, either we lose and hes right, or they win, and his country/team wins
foooooooook u ziva
ps play rakitic in the hole behind mandza, move kova to the left, let radosevic run his heart out next to modric, and play srna at rm with sime behind him
Corrupt HNS is hitting the nail right on the head. I thought by joining the EU that all the corruption would be cleaned up. What a joke.
@ misu
I remember when bilic created a cult following around the national team. The whole nation was behind them. And fans turned out in numbers to watch the team.
Now the Stimac and the corrupt HNS have ruined it.
we need a new manager >
we recharge the squad …
and get for more expectation !!
The national team has lost its 12 man us the fans thanks to sms some of the players see it too pletikosa for one. And we are not good enough thats the only thing i can say right now really but it first starts with stimac needs to go and sms is ruining us. Jadno nam se pise and dont anyone compare o the98 team barley qualified semi final wc we are done with the circus show running hns its should be called sms
With France playing so awesome, how the hell have they dropped to 25th? They really should be ranked above Sweden, and be a seeded team.
I hope to never see the 3-4-2-1 formation again. It was a disaster. In fact I don’t know of any decent coach that plays this formation.
They have to keep it simple with a flat back 4. And stop the experiments please.
@CIco
“How in the Hell is this Happening to Our Great Team ? Are We Closing Down like the U.S . Government ?”
lol.. best comment in a while..
and as for peric etc.. yeah.,. we’re totally fucked if we draw france, no way we can beat them.. ordinarily i would look at the talent and say, oh yeah we have a chance.. but the way we are playing we will be lucky to beat iceland.. it’s a sad state for our repka just at the moment : (
sadly all the non-seeded teams are probably hoping to draw us
France beat Australia 6 – 0 today. They looked awesome. We don’t stand a chance against them especially the way we are playing at the moment.
We Were the 4th Best Team in the WORLD at one time ! How in the Hell is this Happening to Our Great Team ? Are We Closing Down like the U.S . Government ? Once Great Now Bez Veze ? Everybody is Out for Themselfs ! I can Not take this Anymore ! It is Driving Me KuKu ! We Need to Clean Both Houses ! Where is Our Pride & Heart ? Lord O’ Lord HELP Us ! Bog , Hrvati , USA , Champion L.A. Galaxy , Hajduk , i HNS !!!
I cannot believe eduardo and olic didnt come in what was that about and asmuch as we shit on vukijevic should have played imo. If strucnjak was playing 3-4-2-1 then sifo vukojevic kranjcar should have played instead of perisic vida kovacic
4-4-2 4-4-1-1bez mudrovanja sve ove formacija stimac kostale su nas do sada da.strucnjak color anaylist for 8years needs to wake up and quit but he wont playoffs are here tje playoffs are not all set tuesday lets calculate and do mock picks we can get turkey again that be dunny rurks iut for revenge france declassing us bobra protiv iceland haa lets see utorak
“I can’t believe they didn’t play Jelavic today”………….said absolutely nobody today.
You know what’s going to happen, we’re going to get France.. i feel it in my bones.. it’s going to happen : (
Most of those candidate playoff teams look tough.. I’m hoping we get Iceland.. lol
surely even with our terrible form we can beat them ?
I meant to say “Srna where Vrsaljko played would be good”
@jm
Srna where Perisic played would be good. I wouldn’t want to see Srna at RB. We need him on offense, full time.
We also need to pull Strinic back at LB, and play four back. He can still make occasional runs up the left side. Then again, there is no Lukaku in Scotland anyway.
Also, we need to move Rakitic in a more central role behind Mandzo, and find someone to run down the left wing in his place (since there is no way Perisic will be playing).
This is a Very , Very Sad Situation !! Naprid Bili !!!
short training session this morning for the team plus the presser with Strucnjak Stimac is this morning. This will be must-watch TV or must-read material.
So, will Strucnjak Stimac:
a. blame the media for a negative atmosphere (this one is always my favorite because these bozos all seem to think the media should be blind cheerleaders for them)
b. blame it on bad luck
c. say we ran into a better, hotter team in Belgium
d. say no need to panic, because we still got 2nd place and the playoffs.
e. blame Corluka’s STDs have impacted the health of the team and the team’s performance
f. all of the above
in the end, i think we need to take a breath. hat off to the belgiums. they proved themselves the better side
i still love the line-up formation put out their today. and thought in general, the offensive flow was much better than it has been.
i think vrsaljko was not great on the wing. and running that formation with srna back in the line-up can have some real promise with him being much more threatening on the wing with his crosses
perisic was awful .his lack of development disappoints me
rakitic was not much better. although he did threaten with that beautiful pass to mandzo for the only real threat of the first half. and he also shot a potential hand ball in the box.
i say, keep the formation. keep the faith. belgium is good, but this game actually looked much more promising to me than many ones before (with the exception of what looked like some players quitting at the end…stipe and modric who went fly through in the air doing a flip with 5 minutes to go would be examples of those who did not)
kovacic got punked by lukaku
Oops, scratch what I said. England screwing up in Poland would result in them not making enough of a jump to catch us.
I don’t think we can be unseeded, as we are currently the top seed. Greece and Portugal/Russia can surpass us, but I think that’s it. We’ve got a big cushion over Sweden and France…and Romania/Turkey/Iceland/Slovenia are light years away.
@majstore
If England screws up in Poland and finishes second, that takes us down a peg…but not enough to unseed us.
However, that would unseed Sweden, making the playoff round a bit harder.
Is there any scenario in which we would drop our ranking enough to not be a seed? Say for example we lose to the scots?
Ivica, you beat me to it 🙂
yeah, you’re right, no way ukraine will drop points to san marino 🙂 – overlooked that. I’ve just been looking at the potential (and most likely outcomes), and this is what the playoffs ‘should’ look like after Tuesday (barring any unlikely results)
Croatia (10)
Romania (31)
Sweden (22)
Iceland (54)
Portugal (11)
Greece (12)
Ukraine (26)
France (25)
-Denmark -out
So in pot 1 should be comprised of Croatia, Portugal, Greece and Sweden
And in pot 2 we have France, Ukraine, Romania and Iceland.
Here’s hoping that we avoid ‘Les Bleus’.
@ Ante
Great job in figuring out the scenarios. We are as good as in but hopefully the playoff draw is kinda to us!!
The four non-seeds are ‘likely’ to be:
France
Ukraine
Iceland
Romania
France would be a nightmare. They would be the favorite, despite our seeding and they’d give Stimac yet another excuse as to why we lost.
Ukraine has been playing amazingly in 2013, and we’d probably lose to them as well. I’d like to have gotten some revenge against them for missing out on the last World Cup, but they’re hot right now and we’re cold.
Iggy,
Montenegro is out. They would need to make up 10 goals in one game AND have Ukraine lose. Not gonna happen.
Bosna just has to beat Lithuania and we will see who we get in the playoffs. I hope Slovenia doesn’t make it…would much rather have Iceland go.
As a ‘footnote’ I’d like to add that’s it’s quite possible that Slovenia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Croatia could all qualify for the Biggie. That’s would be the icing on the cake because all the Serbs would be sulking in front of their tellies. 🙂
Let’s hope they can find a combination of players that are in form and playing for their club teams in time for the playoff…then again if we draw France then qualifying will be tough.
Regardless, we do have enough quality to compete and progress regardless of who we draw in the playoff.
As for Ziva, as much as he does bring up some very realistic views/thoughts, hopefully most can realize that he gets off winding people up….and I didn’t even intend the pun.