The Vječni derbi (Eternal Derby) is back! Dinamo Zagreb vs. Hajduk Split.
But when the two sides meet this Saturday at Maksimir (12PM ET), it’ll be under a different set of rules. Dinamo Zagreb, who have won the last seven HNL championships, haven’t really made it much of a rivalry the past decade, rather more of an annihilation. Dinamo has clearly been the better club, however, they have more to lose than the Hajduk youngsters do this time around.
Dinamo are once again expected to win the Prva Liga but are coming off two straight losses: 2-0 vs. FC Porto in Champions League and 3-0 vs. Rijeka in domestic play. With another Champions League duel against Dynamo Kiev in Ukraine on Wednesday, Hajduk could put Dinamo on the ropes with a result in Zagreb. Even a draw for the Splićani should be considered a success.
Both clubs are coming off midweek victories in Croatian Cup play with Dinamo easily defeating Vrsar 3-0 and Hajduk taking care of Slunj 4-0 to reach the last 16. Dinamo, who currently have a five-point lead on Hajduk and only a two-point gap on second place Slaven Belupo, have much more on their plate than their hated rivals from the south. A Hajduk victory could shift overall momentum in Croatia early in the season, but if this veteran Dinamo team can get the job done going into their second Champions League match, the status quo would return to the Prva Liga just as quickly as the doubt formed against the current champs.
@Ante B. What language are you speaking ?
Some people have 2 many drinks before they get on here.
Stvarno si klaun covjece al onak iskreno, na cemu si
Ziva , I know the team quality is not that good . Hell they got rid of their Best player in Vukusic . But we should support Our Bili no matter what ! I realize it is hard to root 4 them when management is not that good . What can the fans do to make our team better ? U tell Us Ziva . Can we write letters or what ? Till then , Torcida 4 Life ! Bog,Hrvati,i Hajduk !!!
Because most of us hajduk fans realize the quality of the team is shit. Al I care is they play these kids and let them develop. Hajduk can’t compete with dinamo today or for the next 2-3 years.
Where are all the Hajduk fans? Just because we lost this game doesn’t mean the whole season is lost ! Very nice way to stick by Your team ! U guys realy disappoint me ! O moj Hajduk everything will be OK , but for a lot of your fans on this site, i don’t know . Dok Mi BILO Srce Bije! Bog,Hrvati,i Hajduk!!!
Blatobran . I hope it’s the end of you on here . Mud doofust
Anyone have any vids of the goals?
@ Anonymous
Who’s the idiot now you tool. Just another win, nothing special. End of discussion
OR they take 16 year old kids, develop them really well, and then field a team of talent brought up in their youth system.
Yes. Dinamo is like the Yankees. The Yankees of the HNL. That pretty much equates to the Houston Astros of the MLB.
For the record. There are few things I hate more in this world than the Yankees and their fans. That is all.
Dinamo is just like the NY Yankees . They BUY their championships .
Colin please stop
“Dinamo was the only one doing any jebanje.”
This.
Ante BBB for Mayor!
DI-NA-MO ZA-GREB! DI-NA-MO ZA-GREB!
Ante B ,- STOP
I would say that after today, it’s the opposite. Dinamo was the only one doing any jebanje.
I jedna ce Torcida plakati ovu noc
JEBI SE JEBI SPLITE
…ajmo sad svi…
DINAMO SAMPION!!!!!!!
@ ante b
I think u know my favorite dinamo song, in case u forgot i will remind u, it goes something like this.
Jebes zagreb jebes dinam jebes dinamo……..
This is terrible !!!
Don’t give out streams to hajdukovac… but I’ll make an exception today – http://mips.tv/tashtv01
http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/4/154/v-455430.html
http://www.tash-tv.com/p/tashsport-tv-1.html
at least one of these should work.
whats a good website to watch it off?
What Hajduk logo should Hajduk use ? The 1911 or 1111 new one ? I think the 1911 is better !!! Can’t wait to kick some Dinamo Ass this weekend ! Bog,Hrvati,i Hajduk !!!
Dinamo hasn’t even scored a goal in three games, and have lost points in the last two. This is important for them. Slaven, Rijeka, and Hajduk will all catch them if they keep dropping points. Might actually be a good game.
Blatobran , your an idiot . This is a great rivalry dumb ass .your name fits you MUD , jerk !
This game only matters to Hajduk because they are the underdogs and are a shit team. I get more pumped up when Modri is playing Rijeka. At least that’s someone worth watching. Hajduk isn’t even the 2nd best team in the HNL. Waste of time.
We every now and then read some crazy comments on these boards, but I think I just read one that tops them all.
from CroatHrvat…….”I am not entirely against non-Croats playing for Croatia”
glad to see you want a team full of hrvati……..gee, i don’t even what to say tho this type of stupidity.
@CroHrvat,
“First of all he won’t play for Croatia in the games next month, no chance.”
I would put the house on the line that he will get at least 10 minutes for at least one game. Mark my words.
YOU GUYS! THEY HAVE FANTASY HNL!!! hahahah!!! I used to joke about that… but now I have a team in it 🙁 Crosports league anyone? lol
Can’t wait for this game ! Hajduk will WIN 2-1 !!! Dinamo is not all that this season . Bog,Hrvati,i Hajduk !!!
@ Doktor
I couldn’t care less what Mamic is scheming. I will be FURIOUS if Sammir plays, but for now I have no real problem, okay I don’t like the guy, I think he’s a poor professional but what other Croatian midfielder are there that are better than him, the man is in form and let him ride the bench.
I am not entirely against non-Croats playing for Croatia, but only under one criteria, the criteria being that Croatia is their FIRST choice, not their second choice. If Brazil came calling for Sammir and he rejected them to play for Croatia then let the man play.
CroatHrvat: Stimac is not picking a player based on form. What games have you watched. I don’t care what Sammir does in the HNL, have you seen what he does in Europe. Did you watch the Champions League last year? Did you see his play against Porto?
Listen, you can like Sammir all you want, but dont give us false and biased excuses.
There is a reason he plays in the HNL.
There are CROATIAN players that can’t afford (they are poor) to grease a recruitment. Meanwhile, the scoundrels that run Croatian football are recruiting, promoting and selling foreign CRAP.
Smell the Brazilian coffee.
Sorry about that. I entered YOUR handle into my Name space.
Are you seriously that naive? What grade are you in? This is about f*cking money. And everyone knows that, for some God-forsaken reason, Brazilians “are just better than the rest.” Brazilians are more marketable than Croats. And that’s why the Eastern European teams bring up third-rate Brazilian players.
It’s about money. End all – be all.
@ Ziva & Anonymous
I don’t care if it’s the HNL or La Liga, I don’t care if they are penalties or 30 yard screamers either. Stimac is picking a player that is in form, we can’t deny this. Maybe if he was playing useless and Stimac picked him I would question whther Mamic is forcing Stimac’s hand but Sammir can only do what he can in the league he is in. Either way he wont play next month.
@ Paul
It’s funny how things work. Personally, I don’t want to dwell on my opinions on such things but I am completely against homosexuality, but I detest racism and racial prejudice etc. If I was to say I don’t want any gays in the team there would be mass outrage whereas speaking against black people on the team is completely acceptable.
It’s impossible to measure a players passion for the country. Eduardo probably loves Croatia more than a handful of players in the squad, why should he be deprived of the right to play for the country he may love? There are “pure” Croats out there who couldn’t care less about the country, who if given the talent would play football for 20 years, retire and live in Dubai for the rest of their lives and never send a dollar back to Croatia. I am not interested in such scumbags, I’d rather have an “impure” player who loves the country, sings the anthems, plays his heart out for the country, retires and gives back to the people of Croatia through youth projects etc. while settling down with his family in a nice house in Dalmacia.
BTW Luis Ibanez has said he wants to play on the NT to. There you go.
people who support the call up of Sammir = self-hating hrvati
“scoring 8 league goals in 9 league appearances in the HNL means nothing” especially when 5 of those have been PKs.
Hey, Krstanovic was the league leader in goals in the HNL 2 years ago. Why didn’t we call him up then? Beqiraj was the league leader last year. They haven’t been called up! WHY? Oh… because they aren’t Croatian… And probably aren’t good enough for the repka. I think Krstanovic is still waiting for his call up. I’m sure this made him a little more upset today.
Does Samba Sammie get to wave the flag when we win next month? Will he do one of those Brazilian dances?
Do you guys see what happened to Greece. Once we enter the E.U. we have to abide by their migrants rules. They will flood in and squat right in the center of town. Looks at Athens that will be Zagreb. Wake the F Up!!!
@CroatHrvat………..scoring 8 league goals in 9 league appearances in the HNL means nothing.
@CroatHrvat
No I think most of us were trying to be good citizens and tolerate Eduardo when he first came in. He played well for a while and is now pretty much crap. However, there is a limit. I think this is bad for the NT. Very quickly half our team will be black in less than 10 years. Thats a joke. Thank you E.U. Thats two Brazllians on the team. Are u fucking nuts?
Oh stop being so pedantic. First of all he won’t play for Croatia in the games next month, no chance. Second of all, Stimac is getting continuously attacked by everyone, it’s so disrespectful. There are only so many Croatian footballers in the world, Stimac said a couple months ago that Sammir was not good enough, well since then Sammir has scored 8 league goals in 9 league appearances. He has naturally impressed Stimac, if this was Eduardo Da Silva scoring 8 goals in 9 games EVERYONE would be demanding his inclusion in the starting eleven, let alone in the squad. You can’t speak against Sammir’s Croatian roots and continue to encourage Eduardo’s inclusion in the team at the same time, it’s disgraceful. I am ashamed to have the “Croatian blood” in me that so many of you treasure when I hear such ridiculous hypocrisy and utter rubbish. My personal opinion, I don’t like Sammir, I don’t like his style, is he better than most “real” Croatians however? Of course he is, the same way Eduardo is ten times the player of Rukavina and Cop. Once we opened the door for Eduardo we let the world know that we have chosen to take quality of football over quality of blood in the national team. If there was a way to prove that Sammir or Eduardo would rather play for Croatia than Brazil, given the assumption that Brazil would actually want them, then I have no objections for them playing for us. It’s all about passion and love of the country.
Europe Awake!!!
@ Davor
You’re welcome. You would be surprized how many young people don’t understand the concept of nationality.
“Hopefully Croatia won’t be too affected and we keep our identity but the big European countries already have this issue.”
We will be affected, and that makes me sad.
Stimac’s kick-back to Mamic. Plain & simple.
I read a interview with Stimac about a month ago, saying he didn’t think sammir was good enough for the Repka yet. Oh so has he miraculously changed in a month? Jebote
@Anonymous
I was posing a question in relation to world football today in response to Ziva but thanks for the genealogy lesson.
I agree that blood/parents determine your nationality.
The unfortunate reality, as others have mentioned, is the more mixed marriages, immigration, loss of identity, EU integration etc. we see the less simple it will be. Hopefully Croatia won’t be too affected and we keep our identity but the big European countries already have this issue.
I read this on another board and I agree with it:
I would pay anyone on Hajduk 10k to go out and break Sammir’s legs. No questions asked. Straight up mafija style.
this news made me sick to my fuckin stomach…
at least we have a semi competitive HNL this year…
@ ziva. i think your concept of justice is off
* by tomorrow morning!
If Sammir doesn’t morph into Pele, Mamic & Stimac will have ruined the young man’s life….
If there is any justice the Brazilian-born wanna be Hrvat will have his legs broken this weekend during the Dinamo-Hajduk game.
Get the fine payments ready and await the sanctions!
My biggest issue is he’s not all that good – now if he was ripping up the scoring records in the HNL like Dudu did then I’d have a different view of the guy – he scores, yes, but almost all are PK’s – like I said before, I’m sure there are a lot of talented young Hrvati that play in the HNL that would shine if they got to play with all the talent on the Repka
if sammir gets subbed in at a game in split or dinamo, i cant even imagine the monkey noises and booing directed at him. It’ll be a rude awakening
The flip side of course is what will the rabid fans do if somehow Sammir contributes to success?
Again, I repeat you people need to recognize it is 2012 and nothing is changing the way you envision. In fact, given the population of this country and the sorry state of the domestic league, it will only become more pronounced in coming years.
Here is what I want to see…….I want to see the Brazilian-born wanna be hrvat (Sammir) get subbed into a national team game in Split or Zagreb with us trailing or with the game tied and then for Sammir to screw up on a corner kick with an own goal. Can you imagine the reaction from the calm and always behaved Split/ZG fans.
“I guess the question is what makes your nationality? A citizenship, your parents,your birthplace?”
I can’t believe you are still asking this question. Plain and simple: the nationality is blood.
In Croatia, you get your last name, your religion and your nationality from your father. In the case of mixed marriages, or for any other reason, you can change all of that and take it from your mother (it is still the blood). If you are born in Croatia, you are the citizen of Croatia, and that has nothing to do with nationality. For example, you have Croatians in Serbia, or Austria, or Poland that their ancestors lived there for centuries. They will tell you that they are Croatians by nationality, but they carry the citizenship of the country which they live in. Through the years, some people forget their nationality even though their last name suggest otherwise (Ivanovic cannot be Serbian last name-serbian version would be Jovanovic).
And you guessed right, I do not want to see Sammir on the NT.
Right on, Elvis. Croatians were slaves themselves. How easily we forget….
@Ziva
Croatians did not own black slaves and we did not give the Natives in America the chicken pox. I have no Anglo guilt and neither should you. Stand for you people. Its our team and it should have our people playing. Look at what the Israels have done to their African Migrants. LOL they deport them!!!!
They don’t care what you think. They will defend their country. We should do the same.
Putting politics and race aside, I choose to concentrate on talent and merit.
There are more talented players in the highlands of Dalmatia that are splitting rocks because they can’t get the opportunity that Sammir has now received on a plate. Without merit.
Justice is blind.
@ Anonymous
I have always known this would come. However, I don’t have to accept anything. “I will just keep on fighting cause that’s the way its got to be”.
@Davor
This will happen and the biggest reasons will be the E.U. There will be carpet bagger players trying to get in to make the NT. This is without a doubt. That is how Sammy made it. Think of how this cheapens our team. What’s a Croat? well I can tell you that it ain’t Samba Sammy.
What a joke, not good for the national team if he gets playing time ahead of other players there will be some turmoil within the camp. Even if he was croatian he sucks he’s not a profesional sad day for the national team!
I don’t want go all out about race and immigration here, but as we enter the EU and when we look forward to the repka in 20-30 years we will see more crnci on the team. Nothing can be done to stop that since we are so set on joining the EU. But, those players will be born in Cro or immigrated to Cro at a very young age. I can deal with that. Plenty of examples with germany, belgium, france, etc…
This thing with Sammir is totally different. This is nothing more than Mamic showing his power of placing a player on the repka in order to sell him. Sammir’s play on the field has not been good enough to sell him, unless you value his performances against such powers as Cibalia and NK Zadar (Bjezigrad). So, Mamic is able to control Puppet Suker and Stimac and dictates what will take place.
@elvis
I agree brother!
@ziva
I agree- Sammir is not a Croat.
I guess the question is what makes your nationality? A citizenship, your parents,your birthplace?
We must make sure we don’t become a haven for poor players from other countries who then apply for citizenship as a ticket to international football. There was also some guy, i think German, who married a Croat and now would like to play for Croatia- WTF?
Better get used to not watching the repka then anymore Elvis, it is 2012 and you will see stranci is some shape or form on this team until the day you die!
That is reality for a country of 4M people in the European Union and global village.
Suck it up buttercup.
When is Croatian Sports starting to sell Sammir t shirts ?
Put me down for two !!
Thes best thing to do would be to boycott the games or start a facebook page.
Sammir? Come on, Štimac! Didn’t the serbs fire Robert Prosinečki? He has to be a better coaching choice than the current idiot.
in the end, the sammir issue probably won’t be too big a deal. i seriously doubt he’ll have any sort of regular spot on the nt. modric, kranjcar, rakitic, badelj, perisic, illeciv all have many more years of playing ahead of them taking up spots. not to mention younger guys like kovacic likely to claim spots in the near term future as well.
You guys are all fucking hypocrites! You don’t like the fact Sammir has been named to the NT? Well, then do something about it……don’t watch them, don’t comment on them, write a letter to Stimac or Suker or both, completely ignore them.
Nope. You’ll just whine like bitches regarding the injustice of it all.
It’s also hard to respect these people. If I had the talent there would just be one country I would play for. Thats it.
@ Ziva
They may be citizens but they cannot be German.
Tihana Nemcic would never have done this if she were coach.
@ Davor
I understand but we have lost something special. The passion that we have as fans has a lot to do with the identity we share with the players. In a way that’s you and me on that field brother fighting for flag and country. The NT nees to pass a more restrictive policy but that won’t happen until we get a right minded person to run the NT.
Yes, the Germans have turks, polish and others on their team. However, all of those guys were brought up in Germany as children. I have no issues with that. They are as much German citizens as any other. Sammir is not croatian.
@Elvis
I agree with you 100% but that’s the way it goes today. German side has Turks, Polish, Ghanaians. Belgium have Muslims and Africans. France as well. Ballotelli. . . etc. I doubt that Sammir will ever be a regular though.
We’re doomed! No Kelava?? Noooo….
Sammir je najnoviji hrvatski reprezentativac. The flood-gates have been opened…
Ovo je pocetak kraja hrvatskog reprezentativnog nogometa. Mozda je i bolje tako, jer realno gledajuci…. kao narod bolje nismo ni zasluzili.
I don’t care if Slappy Sammi scores 3 goals he has no business on the NT. He is not a reflection of our people or culture. We now have two Brazilians on the NT WTF? Now isn’t the Argentinean on Dynamo saying he wants to play on the NT as well?
Dinamo will beat Hajduk with ease….
As for Sammir…….boze moj. I knew this day was coming when Mamic hired Stimac as national team coach. What a joke. Fuck it, at this point I hope he plays and we get lit up by the opponent.
Popis za Mekedoniju i Wales
Vratari: Pletikosa, Subašić, Krešić
Obrana: Ćorluka, Srna, Šimunić, Schildenfeld, Strinić, Vida, Lovren, Pamić
Vezni red: Rakitić, Badelj, Kranjčar, Vukojević, Modrić, Iličević, Perišić, Radošević, Sammir
Napadači: Da Silva, Mandžukić, Olić, Jelavić, Kalinić, Vukušić
Lovren also included. Let the message board explosion begin!
It happened! Sammir on the NT – http://www.gnkdinamo.hr/sammir-o-pozivu-o-ovome-sam-dugo-mastao.html#anchor
Kind of off topic, but Sammir and Kresic included in Stimacs squad for Macedonia and Wales in 2 weeks. No Kelava or Petric this time around.
As long as Cacic doesn’t use this game as a “test run” for young players and experimental lineups for the CL match on Wednesday, and actually takes it seriously, should be no problem.