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NDH je bija sprdacina , a ne država. Dok je Pop Ðujic klao Hrvate po Kninu koji je bio NDH, dotle su se ustaše uguzivale Talijanima i pomagali im otkrivati partizane po Dalmaciji koju su prodali. Ili su pljackali i ubijali Židove po Zagrebu.
Not at all regarding doktor prle. He has to set some straight who don’t know what they post.
Doctor prle, you have waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy to much time on your hands
Te ustase nisu bili Hrvati nego hercegovacka bagra zbog kojih ispastamo i dandanas!Najbolji su bili kad su bjezali zajedno sa svojin poglavnikom obucenim u zensko.Nakon rata se Vatikan dobro obogatija sta od njemackog a sta od hrvatskog zlata.Zato je i stanca pasose u 3 smjene da se koljaci mogu pribacit u Argentinu.Znaci,skupo smo platili njegovo priznanje 1991.
VRIJEME JE DA SRUŠIMO VELIKOSRPSKI MIT O JASENOVCU
dr. Stjepan RAZUM, povjesničar i arhivist
Dr. Stjepan Razum pročelnik je odjela Nadbiskupskog arhiva u Zagrebu. Rođen je u Konščici i jedan je od šestero djece roditelja Mije i Dragice. Osnovnu šolu pohađao je u Svetom Martinu pod Okićem, a kao pitomac Nadbiskupskoga dječačkoga sjemeništa polazio je klasičnu gimnaziju u Interdijecenskoj srednjoj školi za spremanje svećenika u Zagrebu nakon čga završava Katolički bogoslovni fakultet. Pokojni nadbiskup Franjo Kuharić zaredio ga je za svećenika 1986. Kao duhovni pomočnik, kapelan, djelovao je tri godine u crkvi sv. Blaža u Zagrebu, a 1989. nadbiskup Kuharić ga je poslao na daljni studij u Rim, gdje je studirao crkvenu povijest na Papinskom grgurovskom sveučilištu. Paralelno s time završio je i dvogodišnji studij arhivistike, diplomatike i paleografije pri Vatikanskom arhivu. Doktorat iz crkvene povijesti obranio je 1995. radnjom „Osvald Svetoladislavski, biskup zagrebački 1446.-1499,“ U Zagreb se vraća iste godine i počinje raditi u Nadbiskupskom arhivu.
VRIJEME JE DA SRUŠIMO VELIKOSRPSKI MIT O JASENOVCU
Nema dokaza za masovne ustaške zločine u Jasenovcu, ali ima za partizanske!
Piše: ANDREA ČERNIVEC
Na predstavljanju knjige Tomislava Vukovića ‘Drugačija povijest’ rekli ste da je povijest 20. stoljeća u Hrvatskoj potrebno iznova istraživati, počevši ispočetka. Znači li to da smo svi zatočenici lažne povijesti, posebice one o Drugom svjetskom ratu i nakon njega?
To je očevidno. Zamislimo si slučaj, što i nije tako teško nakon haškoga suđenja, da sudac u nekom postupku prihvati obtužbu kao konačnu istinu. To zasigurno ne bi bila objektivna istina, već pristrana istina jedne strane, u ovom slučaju obtužbe. U Drugom svjetskom ratu, s našega hrvatskog stajališta, bile su u biti dvije strane, premda je bilo mnogo vojski i međusobnih neprijatelja. Jedna je strana bila za samostalnu Hrvatsku, za koju su se borili domobrani i ustaše, uz pomoć Nijemaca, a druga, protiv Hrvatske, među kojima su bili partizani, četnici, Talijani i drugi. Kao pobjednici izišli su na kraju rata partizani, pod vodstvom komunista. Ni prije rata, ni za vrijeme rata, niti su ustaše, niti partizani dobili mandat hrvatskoga naroda da ih vodi. I jedni i drugi su se nametnuli, jedni na početku, a drugi na kraju rata. Komunisti su doduše održali poslijeratne izbore, koje su dobili uz pomoć HSS-a, čije su čelnike neposredno pred izbore i nakon izbora pozatvarali i maknuli s javnosti. Nakon tih prvih izbora, sve do 1990. godina komunisti su držali vlast na diktatorski način, koristeći zastrašivanje, prisilu i torturu, tvarnu i duhovnu. Svi izbori poslije rata bili su farsa od izbora, jer su bili jednopartijski izbori. U takvom odnosu snaga, poslijeratni vlastodršci, hrvatski i jugoslavenski komunisti, morali su trajno diskvalificirati svoje ratne protivnike i neprijatelje, kako im u mirnodobskim uvjetima ne bi postali suparnici i politički protivnici, jer su samo tako mogli zadržati vlast. Iz takve svoje nužde nametali su cijeloj javnosti svoju istinu o Drugom svjetskom ratu i o svojim neprijateljima, ponajprije o ustašama. Ako je blaženi Alojzije Stepinac u razgovoru s Josipom Brozom, početkom lipnja 1945. godine rekao da bi bilo dobro kad bi u novu vladu bili uključeni i pošteni ustaše, to znači da za Stepinca oni nisu bili koljači i zločinci, kao što ih je komunistička promičba prikazivala i još uvijek prikazuje u svim svojim javnim napisima, govorima i knjigama. Nema nikakve sumnje, da sve ono što smo tijekom školovanja do 1990. godine učili i naučili o Drugom svjetskom ratu jest jednostrana istina pobjednika, koji su imali potrebu ocrnjivati svoje protivnike i neprijatelje, a to su bili svi koji nisu bili u komunističkoj partiji, jer su jedino tako mogli nesmetano vladati „svojom“ državom.
Da se vratim na sliku s početka odgovora, u Hrvatskoj još uvijek traje sudski, znanstveni i svakovrsni drugi postupak borbe za konačnom istinom. Sudac još nije izrekao svoju presudu. Dugo je slušao obtužbu, ali je red da i obrana kaže svoju riječ. To se sada događa. Dužnost je hrvatskih povjesničara, sveta dužnost cijeloga ovoga naraštaja, da kaže riječ obrane, jer je od strane komunističke obtužbe obtužena cjelina hrvatskoga naroda.
Nema zaokreta, treba samo reći istinu
Koliko je objektivno moguć takav radikalni zaokret u utvrđivanju istine s obzirom da ste i sami rekli da se istraživači pred tom zadaćom nalaze u poziciji Davida pred Golijatom?
To nije lagani posao, jer je u svijest i podsvijest hrvatskoga naroda, a i šire, usađen komunistički stereotip o tome kako su partizani i komunisti „dobre crvenkapice“, a ustaše i oni koji su se borili za Hrvatsku, „zli vukovi“, koljači, mračnjaci, teroristi, i tome slično. Metodološki gledano, nije potreban nikakav radikalni zaokret, već treba u javnost samo iznijeti istinu koja govori u korist Hrvatske i hrvatskoga naroda. Hrvatski narod, a nadasve hrvatski političari i svi hrvatski umnici moraju Hrvatsku staviti u središte svoga zanimanja i ona mora biti mjerilo svih naših zajedničkih podhvata. Samim time će sva ona „istina“, koja niječe Hrvatsku, odpasti. Metodološki je to jasno, ali je u stvarnosti potrebno puno napora da istina dopre do svih ljudi i da postanu svjesni da su tijekom cijele svoje mladosti bili odgajani i oblikovani nezdravo i ideološki jednostrano. Povjesnička djela s takvim hrvatskim pristupom već postoje, ali se ona još nisu utkala u hrvatsku svijest.
Izjavili ste da je logor NDH Jasenovac jedan od lažnih mitova koji je stvorila komunistička propaganda. Što je zapravo istina o logoru Jasenovac, budući ste se i sami bavili tom temom?
Logor ili sabirno polje Jasenovac je tipičan primjer manipulacije kako bi manipulatori ostvarili svoj cilj. Kad govorimo o logoru Jasenovac, treba prije svega reći da on nije bio nikakva novost u praksi ratovanja. Prva sabirna polja ili logori dogodili su se u kolonijama i to za vrijeme kolonijalnih ratova. Prvo poznato sabirno polje ustanovio je španjolski vojskovođa, pruskoga porijekla, Valerijan Weyler y Nicolau, kao upravitelj otoka Kube, 1896. godine. U pobuni protiv španjolske vlasti, odredio je da svi seljaci, koji ne žele biti smatrani pobunjenicima, imadu u roku od osam dana ući u utvrđena sabirna polja. Drugi slučaj sabirnog polja dogodio se na Filipinima. Pošto su sjedinjeni američki državljani oteli Španjolcima vlast na Filipinima, Emilio Aguinaldo pokrenuo je pobunu protiv sjedinjenih američkih državljana. Godine 1900. pobunjenici su poraženi, ali su i započeli gverilski rat. Tada su sjedinjeni američki državljani na otoku Mindano osnovali nekoliko sabirnih polja da bi u njima zaštitili narod koji nije pristajao uz pobunu. No, nijedan od ta dva navedena slučaja nije činjenici sabirnih polja nametnuo tako loš glas kao što su to učinili Englezi u Južnoafričkoj Republici. Pošto su pobunjeni seljaci Južnoafričke Republike sredinom 1900. bili poraženi i prešli u gverilski način ratovanja, engleske su čete krenule sa strategijom spaljene zemlje. Uništili su brojna seljačka imanja, te su zatvorili mnoge žene i djecu, koji su ostali bez krova, u sabirna polja, na brzinu napravljena od šatora i koliba. Po tom engleskom žalosnom postupku, sabirna su polja ušla u povijest s lošim glasom. Sabirna su polja postojala u I. svjetskom ratu, a za vrijeme II. svjetskoga rata otvorena su za vojnike u gotovo svim zemljama koje su bile uključene u rat. Dakle, Jasenovac nije bio nikakva iznimka.
Isto tako treba reći da su sabirna polja stvarnosti rata, a s ratom dolaze i mnoge teške posljedice. Sigurno je da se i u sabirnom polju u Jasenovcu događalo mnogo toga što je suprotno ljudskom dostojanstvu, što je ponižavalo čovjeka, što je nijekalo njegovu osobnost, što je ugrožavalo njegovu tjelesnu i duhovnu cjelovitost, dakle, događala su se i ubojstva. O tome svjedoče i tri nedavno objavljene knjige, Ante Cilige, Milka Riffera i Đorđe Miliše. Radi se o knjigama koje su davno napisane, ali budući da nisu Jasenovac prikazivale u sukladnosti s komunističkom promičbom, bile su zabranjene, pa su sada nanovo tiskane. Usprkos toga, njihovo čitanje traži veliku dozu kritičnosti. Dakle, Jasenovac nije bio polje sustavnog uništenja, već radni i privremeni (tranzitni) logor.
Treba otvoreno reći da su mit o Jasenovcu stvorili i podržavali srbski povjesničari, koji su to činili u službi velikosrbske politike, kako bi preko tog mita diskvalificirali Hrvate u vođenju svoje države, kako bi ih onemogućili za osamostaljenje i kako bi zapravo oni, velikosrbi vladali i u cijeloj Hrvatskoj. Tko god u Hrvatskoj danas podržava taj mit, a to su nažalost uvijek činili članovi SUBNOR-A, on puše u velikosrbski rog, on je u službi velikosrbske ideologije, koja i nakon Domovinskoga rata ne prestaje igrati svoje kolo.
Ustanova Jasenovac barata s 81.000 stradalih, ali bez podataka o stratištu
Postoje li dokazi o masovnom stradanju u logoru Jasenovac za bilo koji broj žrtava s kojim se barata u prošlih pola stojeća, a riječ je o 20, 30, 80 tisuća….? Jesu li dosadašnji povjesničari ikada potkrijepili te brojke s kojima se barata?
Višedesetljetnom promičbom jasenovačkoga mita dovedeni smo u stanje da mi danas moramo dokazivati da masovnog broja žrtava nije bilo, a oni koji su širili mit nemaju potrebe dokazivati ga. Do tog smo stanja došli protokom vremena. No, činjenica je da je SUBNOR u tri navrata pokušao dokazati napuhane brojke masovno stradalih u Jasenovcu sustavnim iskapanjem žrtava 1961., 1964. i 1984. godine. Već kod prvih pokušaja nailazio je na žrtve komunističkoga terora, te nikada nije objavio rezultate takvog iskapanja. Naime, mnogi hrvatski vojnici završili su svoj križni put 1945. godine upravo na poljima oko Jasenovca i na obalama Save. Sjećam se da sam 1984. čitao u „Vjesniku“ kako je započelo novo iskapanje žrtava Jasenovca i da su na leševima našli ostatke odora hrvatske vojske. Novinar očito nije bio svjestan da to nije smio napisati, pa je odmah prekinuta predviđena nizanka o žrtvama Jasenovca, ali je prekinuto i iskapanje. Dakle, najosnovnija nam logika govori da bi ratni pobjednici, subnorovci iznijeli u javnost svoje rezultate da ih je bilo, a oni su ih tako goruće trebali kako bi potvrdili svoj napuhani mit. No, željkovanog rezultata nije bilo. Dakle, na Vaše pitanje, postoje li dokazi o masovnom stradanju u logoru Jasenovac, mogu reći dvojaki odgovor: dokaza o masovnom stradanju za vrijeme rata nema, jer da ih ima, komunistička vlast i osobito subnorovci bi ih hrvatskoj i svjetskoj javnosti već odavna predstavili, a za dokaz o masovnom stradanju nakon rata možemo reći samo neizravno upravo na temelju navedenoga iskapanja koje su provodili subnorovci, da ih ima, ali oni su uglavnom još uvijek pod zemljom.
Smatrate li da je brojka od više od 80 tisuća žrtava u Jasenovcu, a s kojom barata i Ustanova Jasenovac, istinita?
Radi se o brojci koja nije ništa drugo nego čisto pogađanje. U odnosu na tobožnjih 700.000 žrtava u Jasenovcu čime su nas desetljećima trovali velikosrbski ideolozi, brojka od 80.000 izgleda sasvim razumna. No, ni ona nema nikakvog uporišta u stvarnosti. U sabirnom polju Jasenovac vodila se uredna uprava, te je svaka osoba bila imenom i prezimenom zapisana, vodio se dnevnik o svim događajima u polju. Kada su partizani zauzeli logor, našli su i preuzeli svu logorsku dokumentaciju, koja je završila u Beogradu. Mi bismo na temelju tog gradiva mogli danas sasvim lagano ustanoviti i broj žrtava i sve ono što se u logoru događalo. No, dokumentacija se krije od javnosti. Zbog čega? Očito zbog toga što bi slika o logoru na temelju izvornih logorskih isprava i popisa logoraša bila sasvim drugačija od one koju nam servira velikosrbska ideologija.
Javna ustanova spomen-područje Jasenovac objavila je posljednjih godina popis od oko 81.000 jasenovačkih žrtava. U tom strašnom vihoru II. svjetskoga rata bilo je uistinu mnogo žrtava. I za ovu 81.000 može se reći da su u nekom smislu jasenovačke žrtve. No, to ne znači da su svoj život završile u Jasenovcu. S obzirom na to da su mnogi logoraši bili sprovedeni u logore u Njemačkoj, oni su svoj život završili u nekom njemačkom logoru, a broje se kao da su život završili u Jasenovcu. Uostalom to je vidljivo i iz nedostatka podatka o stratištu. Samo kod manjeg broja žrtava navedeno je mjesto stratišta, a kod većine ono nije navedeno. Osim toga, ne treba zaboraviti na poznatu svirepost pobjednika koji svoje vlastite zločine pripisuju svojim neprijateljima. To nije specifično obilježje samo partizanskih pobjednika. Tako su činili i danas čine KGB, CIA i sve druge ustanove u službi pobjednika. Zanimljivo je da srbski povjesničari koji se toliko trude oko pisanja o Jasenovcu, uobće se ne bave stradanjima na srbskom području, a njih je bilo. Znajući za takve podmukle ratne i poratne igre, nemamo li pravo posumnjati da su žrtve nastale na području Srbije pripisane također Jasenovcu?!
Rekli ste da pojedinci i skupine odbacuju dio povijesti vlastite države? Na što ste konkretno mislili?
Hrvati imaju kao i svaki europski narod svoju lijevu i desnu sastojnicu ili političku opciju, koje su u povijesti međusobno ratovale, a danas su pozvane na demokratski način međusobno se nadopunjavati. Usprkos tome što sam politički državotvoran ili ako hoćemo, desno orijentiran, ja prihvaćam kao dio moje hrvatske prošlosti i Broza i Pribićevića i Račana i sve političare i politike lijeve orijentacije. Oni su jednostavno dio sveukupne hrvatske prošlosti. Čini mi se da većina državotvornih Hrvata nema poteškoće oko toga. No, svjedoci smo da lijevo orijentirani Hrvati nikako ne žele prihvatiti, npr. Pavelića i Nezavisnu Državu Hrvatsku kao dio hrvatske prošlosti. Za njih postoji samo ZAVNOH i ništa drugo. Dok god je jedan narod podijeljen s obzirom na svoju prošlost, dotle nema ni budućnosti. Prenašanje podijeljenosti iz prošlosti u sadašnjost čini da narod nije složan oko osnovnih i strateških načela svoga razvoja i svoje budućnosti. Istinitost toga je tako očevidna i u našoj političkoj svakidašnjici. Tek kad svaki Hrvat, ili barem hrvatsko političko vodstvo prihvati kao dio vlastite prošlosti i Broza i Pavelića i Tuđmana i Račana, tek tada ćemo biti sigurni i za svoju budućnost.
Srpski zlocini nad Hrvatima i prije uspostave NDH
Kao tri neuralgične teme spomenuli ste Srb, Jasenovac i Glinu. O Jasenovcu ste nešto rekli, što je sa Srbom i Glinom.
Srb je hrvatsko mjesto u kojem se tamošnje srbsko pučanstvo pobunilo protiv hrvatske države. Tomislav Vuković je u svojoj, naprijed navedenoj knjizi, lijepo pokazao kako se tu radi uistinu o četničkoj pobuni mjesnog stanovništva, koje se nakon toga razvrstalo u dvije različite vojske, četničku i partizansku. Tijekom rata su ti isti četnici prešli na stranu partizana i nakon rata zauzeli visoke položaje u novostvorenoj državi, a svi kao članovi SUBNOR-a. Protiv nikoga nije vođen postupak i nitko nije kažnjen za učinjena zlodjela. Stoga je sasvim razumljivo da su subnorovci glavni agitatori u stvaranju protuhrvatskog mita kako bi sakrili svoja zlodjela.
Glina je također postala mitski pojam. Ona je velikosrbskoj ideologiji poslužila kako bi obtužila Hrvate, ne samo da su genocidni, već da ta genocidnost proizlazi iz njihove duhovnosti, iz pripadnosti Katoličkoj crkvi. Činjenica jest da se u Glini i oko Gline dogodilo zločina, ali te zločine treba staviti u povijesne okolnosti. Prije nego li je ustaška vlast uhitila i onda pobila Glinjane srbske narodnosti u svibnju 1941., a u kolovozu iste godine pripadnike srbske narodnosti u okolici Gline i na Kordunu, dogodili su se zločini koje su uzrokovale četničke skupine proizašle iz te narodnosti. Tu se opravdano može pitati, tko je prvi počeo?, o čemu dokumentirano piše Jure Krišto u svojoj knjizi „Sukob simbola“ (2001.). Kao odgovor na zakonske odredbe koje je donijela mlada Nezavisna Država Hrvatska u cilju obrane naroda i države, javile su se četničke pobune diljem Hrvatske, u okolici Bjelovara, u mjestima oko Knina i Dervente, u Čapljini, Mostaru, Kiseljaku, Srijemskoj Mitrovici, i sve to u travnju 1941. U tim je pobunama ubijeno po više desetaka Hrvata, i katolika i muslimana. I svi ti zločini nad hrvatskim i muslimanskim pučanstvom bili su počinjeni prije bilo kojih žrtava pripadnika srbske manjine i prije nego li je na dotičnim područjima bila uspostavljena vlast NDH. Ne pokušavajući opravdavati ni jednu, ni drugu stranu koja je primjenjivala nasilje i ugrožavala živote nevinih ljudi, treba o svakom događaju ipak cjelovito prosuđivati i vidjeti što je bio uzrok, a što posljedica. U okolici Gline proliveno je mnogo nevine krvi, što je u nebo vapijući grijeh, ali on nikako ne može biti opravdanje velikosrbskoj politici koja ponovno i ponovno zloupotrebljava tu glinsku tragediju.
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Srpska manjina i dalje u službi potkopavanja vlastite domovine Hrvatske
Kako uvjeriti hrvatske vlastodršce da su taoci lažne povijesti i da je potrebno srušiti lažne mitove te početi istraživanje ispočetka?
To je očevidno dugi i trajni posao svih nas, i nas povjesničara i vas novinara, i svih hrvatskih umnika. Čini mi se da današnjim političarima nedostaje svehrvatske širine i osnovno logičko zaključivanje. Ako je Hrvatski (državni) sabor donio odluku o 22. danu u mjesecu lipnju kao danu antifašističke borbe, u kojoj je odluci sudjelovala i lijeva politička opcija, kako onda razumjeti to da pripadnici te iste opcije slave 27. srpnja kao početak te borbe. Očito je da nemaju osjećaja za svoj hrvatski narod, a nedostaje im i logika. Sama pak srbska manjina takvim slavljima ustraje u svojoj tragičnoj ulozi podrivavanja vlastite domovine Hrvatske. Pojedincima je u interesu da se svide srbskoj manjini, koja se nažalost nakon više stoljeća svoga boravka na hrvatskom tlu ne želi integrirati u cjelokupno hrvatsko narodnosno biće, pa na takav način ti pojedinci rade protiv vlastitoga naroda. No, vjerujem u pobjedu istine i pravde, što će se dogoditi samo ako će biti ljudi koji će ih zastupati i promicati.
Može li se uopće utvrditi istina, postoji li dokumentacija, konkretno o logoru Jasenovac, koja bi omogućila rasvjetljavanje dijela istine?
Objektivna istina postoji možda jedino kao teološki pojam. Naša ljudska istina uvijek je relativna stvarnost, no moramo nastojati da se u traženju istine približimo koliko je moguće toj objektivnoj istini. Da je to tako, najbolje svjedoči sudska praksa. Uvijek se govori da su sudovi neovisni i da je sudska presuda ogledalo konačne istine. A svi znamo kako sudovi, počevši od jugoslavensko-komunističkih do europsko-haških sude i donose presude u skladu s važećom politikom i vrijednosnim sustavom koji ta politika zastupa. Tako da nam presude nekog političkog sustava izgledaju kao ismijavanje istini, a ne utvrđivanje istine. Tu se, dakle, najbolje vidi koliko istina ovisi o ljudima i o njihovim osobnim stavovima. Kao vjernik znadem da je Bog konačna i objektivna istina. Kad čovjek odbaci Boga, onda je odbacio i počelo istine i gubi se u lažima ovosvjetskih moćnika.
Kao što sam već rekao, dokumentacija o logoru Jasenovac postoji, i ne samo o njemu, nego njegova dokumentacija. No, ona se danas još uvijek krije (navodno nije dostupna zbog NATOvog bombardiranja Beograda), jer nije u interesu velikosrbske politike da se proučava. Kad bi neki hrvatski povjesničari, kao što je npr. dr. Ivo Goldstein, uzeli u obzir samo tu činjenicu, to bi bilo dovoljno da pod upitnik stave sve ono što je pisano o Jasenovcu mimo te dokumentacije. No, i tim nekim hrvatskim povjesničarima nedostaje osnovno logičko zaključivanje.
Golstein upao u kolotečinu lijeve opcije
Dr. Ivo Goldstein je za Vaše teze rekao da su lažne i da ne postoje dokazi da su komunisti nakon ustaša držali logor Jasenovac. Kakav je Vaš komentar?
Poštujem dr. Ivu Golsteina, koji se smatra Židovom, ali ja ga smatram i Hrvatom, jer živi u Hrvatskoj i jer je u hrvatskoj povjesničkoj znanosti mnogo radio, bez obzira kako njegov rad neki ocjenjivali. Poznato nam je da Hrvatska akademija znanosti i umjetnosti nema veliko mišljenje o njegovom povjesničkom radu, pa ga nije primila među svoje članove, no svejedno. Moja osnovna zamjerka njegovu radu je to što je njegov cjelokupni pristup hrvatskoj povijesti 20. stoljeća na tragu velikosrbske ideologije. On je, vjerojatno ni kriv ni dužan upao u kolotečinu lijeve političke opcije koja je imala potrebu uništavati vlastito hrvatsko bilo, jer pripadnici takve opcije misle da će mu biti bolje ako ne budu u službi hrvatske državotvornosti. I tu je vidljivi nedostatak osnovne logike, jer svakom članu neke zajednice bit će bolje, ako će cijeloj zajednici biti bolje. Ustrajavanjem na nekim tamnim trenutcima nekog naroda (a koji ih nema?) nije doprinos rastu tom narodu, već njegovu umanjenju. Dr. Goldstein ustraje na preuveličavanju kod Hrvata nečega što je redovita pojava kod svih naroda. Zbog svega toga moje i njegove teze ne mogu se uskladiti. Što se tiče konkretno Jasenovca i njegova nijekanja poslijeratnoga logora, treba podsjetiti na leševe koje su subnorovci odkrili u svoja tri pokušaja iskapanja na području cijeloga logora, ali isto tako i na logor Staru Gradišku, koja je za vrijeme Nezavisne Države Hrvatske bila u sastavu sabirnog polja Jasenovac, a logor iliti KPD Stara Gradiška bio je otvoren i za vrijeme novonastale države Jugoslavije, što je svima poznato.
Za dom, spremni jedan od najljepših pozdrava
Smatrate li da je Za dom, spremni neprihvatljiv pozdrav i jesu li opravdane intervencije policije? Svjedoci smo tomu gotovo svake godine u Čavoglavama, a bilo je slučajeva i u drugim hrvatskim gardovima gdje su pojedinci uhićeni zbog ustaških ikonografija ili zbog pozdrava.
Naš se hrvatski narod služi različitim lijepim pozdravima, kršćanskim i domoljubnim. Pozdrav Za dom spremni je jedan od ljepših pozdrava. Kao i drugi narodi, i mi Hrvati riječju dom izražavamo cjelokupni sadržaj obiteljskog života, ali i svenarodnog, domovinskog života. Biti spreman za dom i domovinu žrtvovati se, boriti se, pa i poginuti, to je ono što se ovim pozdravom izražava. Ako taj pozdrav nekome smeta, onda mu smeta obitelj kao takva, kao i domovina hrvatskoga naroda. Takvi bi očito željeli da nestane hrvatska obitelj i hrvatska domovina. No, to što neki politički krugovi u tom pozdravu vide prisjećanje na Nezavisnu Državu Hrvatsku, to je njihov problem, ali kojega bi se morali osloboditi. Zapravo radi se o tome da nam je komunistička ideologija nametnula da svu stvarnost moramo gledati s njezinih stajališta i njezinim naočalama, a to znači da sve ono što nije komunističko, mora nestati, jer navodno je zločinačko, ustaško, nazadno… To je najočitiji primjer komunističke indoktrinacije. Zatiranje tog pozdrava u novije se vrijeme nastoji provoditi i sa stajališta svjetskoga globalizma i multinacionalnih poduzeća i trgovina, kojima nije u interesu da postoje svjesni i rodoljubni narodi i da postoje obitelji, koje su štit i obrana od njihovih manipulacija. O kad bi svaki Hrvat i Hrvatica rado upotrebljavao taj pozdrav, ili barem po njegovoj poruci živio, tada bi i naše hrvatsko gospodarstvo procvjetalo, jer bismo kupovali i trošili domaće, a ne uvozne proizvode. Ovaj bi pozdrav trebali koristiti nadasve naši hrvatski političari, koji po svojoj političkoj dužnosti moraju promicati dobro hrvatskoga doma i domovine. U tom bi slučaju gledali što je bolje za Hrvatsku, a ne za Europsku Uniju, tada bi u dvostranim odnosima s recimo Srbijom i Slovenijom gledali što je bolje za Hrvatsku, a ne kako se njima svidjeti. Očito je da živimo u vremenu nenarodnih vlasti, pa se ovaj pozdrav nikako ne uklapa u tu hrvatsku jadnu političku klimu, pa ga se nastoji ukloniti, pozivajući se opet na prošlost.
Hrvatski list, 9. kolovoza 2012.
Nauci hrvatski.
uvijek problema s ovim dijasporcima. Kunu se u Hrvatstvo a imaju minimalno po dva drzavljanstva, kao nedaj bog da treba opet bjezat pa da se ima kam. Posebno ovi u “bijelom svijetu”. Kad je bila guzva odmah je nastala bjezanija. Tek kad su vidli da bi mogli necim profitirat, sjetili su se svog Hrvatstva. I takvi sau njih 90% ako ne i vise
you know your from a real croat family when your mom’s number one rule is the tree comes down the day before serb xmas!!
Ustaše su, kao i nacisti, bili antisemiti. Unatoc tome, kako je nekoliko
ustaških voda, ukljucujuci i Pavehca, bilo oženjeno Židovkama ili
polužidovkama, kako su neki Židovi bili snažni pristaše hrvatskih nacionalistickih
snaga, i kako su izvjesne grupe Židova, primjerice lijecnici, režimu
bile potrebne zbog njihovih znanja i vještina, ustaški režim izuzeo je odabrane
Židove iz antižidovskih mjera i proglasio ih „pocasnim arijevcima”.24
Ustaše su bile i izrazito antiintelektualno orijentirani, iako je medu
ustaškim vodama bilo i nekoliko intelektualaca, kao što su bili Mladen Lorkovic,
Vladimir Košak te pravnik i romanopisac Mile Budak. Pavelica intelektualne
preokupacije nisu zanimale, i vlada je uvela strogu i sveprisutnu cenzuru.
Vecina intelektualaca u ustaškom taboru u vrijeme rata došli su iz redova
klerikalaca, i njihova intelektualna netolerancija i zatvorenost bile su dobro
poznate. Neki vodeci hrvatski umjetnici koji su u pocetku tolerirali ustase
kao primjerice pjesnici Vladimir Nazor i Ivan Goran Kovacic te kipar Anton
Augustincic, do kraja 1942. radikalno su promijenili mišljenje i prikljucili se
partizanima. Svjetski poznati kipar Ivan Meštrovic i slikar Jozo Kljakovic zbog
svojih su antiustaških stavova bili zatvoreni. Pušteni su tek nakon nekohko
mjeseci, zahvaljujuci intervenciji Vatikana, i dopušteno im je da odu u inozemstvo.
Ustaše su brojne važne hrvatske intelektualce komuniste smaknule kao
taoce, medu njima Božidara Adžiju, Augusta Cesarca i Otokara Keršovanija.
Takoder su ubih slikara naivca Mirka Viriusa i najvažnijeg hrvatskoga seljaka
književnika, saborskog zastupnika HSS-a, Mihovila Pavleka-Miškina.
Svi svijetski povijesnicari pisu da su Ustase bile daleko najvece, najgenocidnije ubojice na ovim prostorima, Ako ne vjerujete idite na sajt americkog drzavnog Holocaust Museum-a u Washington-u pa procitajte clanak “Axis Invasion of Yugoslavia”, gdje pise tocno koliko stotina tisuca ljudi ustashe istrebise – Zidova, Roma, Srba i drugih
Upravo zbog tog sto cijeli svijet to zna, ovog tjedna su bile hrpe clanaka u njemackim i drugim medijima pod naslovima “Fasisticki skandal Simnunica”, “Fasisticki ispadi u Hrvatskoj” i slicno
A prema hrvatskom demografu Zerjavicu, za dom spremne ustashe, skupa s njihovim naci-fasitickim savjeznicima, pobise i daleko najvise Hrvata u povijesti, daleko vise no Milosevic ili bilo tko drugi
i sam Tudjamn, u svojoj knjzi “Bespucima povijesne nezbiljnosti” pise da su ustashe samo u Jasenovcu istrebile 70.000 ljudi. A Spomen podrucje Jasenovac sadrzi pojedinacna imena 83.000 istrebljenih, od kojih su 20.000 djeca ispod 14 godina, te 23.000 zene
U poredjenju s tim, Tudjman pise da je na svemu vezanom za Bleiburg stradalo oko 35 tisuca uglavnom vojnika, i to svih – ustasha, cetnika, slovenackih domoborana. S tim brojakama se slaze i Mitja Ferenec. glavno odgovororan za odkrivanje povojnih grobova u Sloveniji koj kaze da je ukupan broj pobijenih u Sloveniji u desetinama tisuca, i da su 93% tih bili pripadnici kvizlinskih vojski. Takodjer dosad medju oko 3 tisuca iskopanih iz povojnih grobova u Sloveniji nisu pronasli nijedno jedino djete, za razliku od ustaskog masovnog, planskog istrebljenja djece
Uglavnom i sam Tudjman je pisao da su ustashe pobile daleko vise ljudi, i to uglavnom zene, djecu i druge civile
Sad neki balkanski domorodci, za razliku od normalnog svijeta, se ocito ponose svojim smrdljivim fazismom. Isti balkanski fasizam zbog kojeg je Balkan pojam prezira u normalnom svijetu
Smaknuti smrad je bio visestruki spijun (udbe,bnd-a stasija…) uz to i lopovcina svjetskih razmjera tako da je skoncao kao i vecina govana za vrijeme hladnoga rata.
I Ðurekovic je bija komunista i partizan.
Excellent, Antwerp.
Bingo!
@ Adriatic
After the fall of Yugoslavia, many of the people involved in UDBA joined the newly formed Croat government. So Perkovic is basically being protected by the UDBA alumni association. He was also Tudjman’s right hand man in security matters in the early 90s.
When they joined the EU, they figured they could get all the financial benefits of being an EU state–while at the same time hiding/protecting their UDBA past. But they are now starting to realize with the Perkovic case, they can’t eat their cake and have it (too).
Adriatic – good question. Seems logic escapes more than just yugos. Remember folks – commie scum is not much different than fascist scum!
@ Doktor Q. Why did cro government want to join eu if now Germany as your saying wants to get rid of them from power? I know they tried to change the law (lex perkovic) before entering eu . So did cro government take a chance by thinking he wont get extradited?
^^^
Thanks for that busic video link.
All true, Antwerp.
@ Doktor
To UDBA, Dolinar must have been the perfect target for recruitment. A university professor and athlete, someone who possessed brains as well as skill. Someone who was well liked and trusted, someone people could rely on. But little did they know who he really worked for…
The UDBA apparatus was pervasive, agents and informants were installed even in small towns throughout the Dinaric hinterlands. People often disappeared never to be seen again. With their bank accounts, records, work status etc. all erased.
Wonderful, even more proof
A GLE GA…
Vladimir Seks – “Kolega” i jos neki pseudonimi, suradnja se odvijala kroz seriju informativnih razgovora, centar Osijek,
Majku mu jebem komunjarsku. Njega bi trebali ‘locirati, identificirati, uhititi i transferirati’ a zatim poslati u picku lijepu materinu sa ostalim crvenim vragovima
Ante,
Neven Baricevic hails from the Zadar region (Posedarje/Slivnice).
NO RELATION!!!
Neven Baricevic – “Marko”, centar Split, emigracija, (F)
I know i wrotte that wrong my bad. I know that trash runs croatia. To this day they run croatia notice that there are no young patriotic croatian politicians its all jugo trash
@Antwerp
Zarko Dolinar was probably some sort of informant. Folks like that are popular and have many contacts. What they report back to their handlers is the “pulse” of their friends and acquaintances how they and “breath” politically and ideologically.
@Praznaglavnik pobjeci dijete
A pingpong player UDBA agent? Laughing my ass of this is another nutty thing to add to me take note of. If a pingpong player can be in UDBA I guess I can be in UDBA, that will just add to the other accusation you think I am (i.e Haet, Ziva Istina, Ratko Mladic, Anton, Milan Lucic)
I think you’re a little confused. There are no ustase in power in Croatia. Ustase are dead. They were murdered in ’45 and the surviving ones were hunted down up until the break-up of Yugoslavia.
There are NO ustase in Croatia. You have ustase-sympathizers; those that understand and revere the fact those men were CROAT patriots and fought for a free Croatia in the most chaotic of times; and that there fight was not in vein. However, those sympathizers, those PATRIOTS, do not hold office in Croatia.
All they can do is air their frustration at Thompson concerts.
YUGOSLAVS control Croatia. Simple as that.
@Doktor Prle
I can’t wait for that day and hopefully sooner then later.
All i know is that peoplenin cro that are in politics need to be qll laid off and rip the diplomas and start over im sick and tired of udba and jugo ustasa trash running croatia. We need to staart over no more ustase partizan just Hrvati. That will nevrer happen its nice to dram The diaspora are the last pine of hope for that corrupt lazy maciato drinking 160 smoking kreteni i banda.
Just sit back and enjoy the show, Luka. They do put on a good show, we’ll give them that.
But always remember, it’s not funny. These people have the blood of THOUSANDS on their hands. And they are also responsible why our diaspora is so large.
We will see the day when the PARTIJA is condemned; Tito is condemned; and even his streets will disappear in Croatia.
As I said yesterday he will end up in Germany and looking forward to all of this unravelling. 🙂
You’ve all probably heard the news by now that JP was released from prison/hospital, and now awaits the Croatian Supreme Court’s decision on his extradition to Germany at home, in a peaceful atmosphere. Just the opposite of what he and his colleagues had prepared for Croatian defenders who were hauled away in handcuffs by armed Special forces.
It was all theatre from the beginning of his arrest, including the propaganda campaign spear-headed by his interview in Zagreb daily Vecernji list. An interview that was released days prior (and after) January 1, 2014. With the object of sensitizing the naïve Croatian public in order to have them believe the man is actually a Croatian patriot. LOL
Here’s what’s not funny: Perkovic will be extradited to Germany. If he is not, Croatia will be bankrupt in a few short months and there will be civil strife (possible war) in the country.
Merkel is allowing all of this to develop. Most likely to let Croatia experience the required catharsis needed for any prospective EUropean future. Croatia is in Germany’s sphere of influence; she wants a clean slate in Croatia so that she can expand her influence and interests. That cannot take place with the Titoist regime in place. UDBA owns Croatia, through and through.
But that will come to an end. It can happen peacefully (they surrender themselves and power), or it can happen with a mass revolt, toppling of government and even death.
@Antwerp,
The Yugoslav Secret Service apparatus was so pervasive, every 1/4 Croat in then Yugoslavia had a dossier. That was discovered by Bruno Busic (murdered by UDBA in Paris, 1978). He also discovered the true victims’ figures of WW2 (incomplete work, however)… giving the UDBA more reason to murder him.
Watch this doc when you get the chance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqxWw8y5JYs
You will notice the name Mladen Plese up near the top of the list. He’s JUtarnji list’s editor-in-chief…
Now you know where all ya’ll get your “news” from. That is, whom you get it from. 😉
None of what I’m writing here is new or exclusive information, but it’s good to keep reminding people.
Yes, that’s a list of UDB-a agents, informants, moles, etc…. it’s a list that was originally published by Hrvatski list (Zadar) a number of years ago.
Some of the folks on the list are extremely influential even today.
The list, of course, isn’t complete.
PS: Iko Buljan was an informant (yes, hajduk star – Ivan Buljan) while playing in Germany.
@ Doktor
Dr. Zarko Dolinar a UDBA agent!!??
Who’d have thought that a Biologist and Ping-Pong Champion was an UDBA agent.
Man looks like those boys at UDBA left no stone unturned. Their tentacles reaching into every aspect of society. They freakin’ put agents everywhere.
@ docroe prle who are those UDBAsi
Inoslav Besker – Olivier, Centar Zagreb, vjerske zajednice
Ante Lentic -“Jakov” i “Zivko”, centar Zagreb, kontraobavjestajna problematika
Obrad Kosovac
Mirjana Rakic – “Lora”, centar zagreb, kontraobavjestajna problematika
Zvonko Varosanec – “Pan”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Ante Kesic – “Pajo”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Zarko Modric – sportski trener i novinar, “Bole”, centar Zagreb, kontrasobavjestajna problematika
Mario Profaca – “Sokrat”, centar Zagreb, hrvatski nacionalizam i kontraobavjestajna problematika
Zvonko Zmazek – “Orao”, centar Zagreb, kontraobavjestajna problematika
Zeljko Brichta – “Javor”, centar Zagreb, kontraobavjestajna problematika
Petar Brecic – “Ivo” , centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Drazen Delac – “Mladen”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Drago Subic – “Volonter”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Mladen Plese – centar Zagreb
Tomislav Jakic – “Jantar”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja i kontraobavjestajna problematika
Dubravko Grakalic – “Lenon”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Vladimir Funic – “Sportas”, centar Zagreb, kontraobavjestajna problematika
Josip Marotti – “Ares”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Ljerka Njers –
Miroslav Vecenaj – “Zeljko”, centar Zagreb
Dalibor dr. Brozovic – “Forum”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Branko dr Bosnjak – “Vrtlar” i “Parker”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Josip Ivicevic Bakulic – “Zona”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Goran Beus – “Odisej”, centar Split i Zagreb
Dr Mladen Zvonarevic – “Denis” i njegova supruga “Avican”
Borka dr. Bozic – “Bobo”, centar Sisak, unutarnja problematika
Branimir Podhratski – “Kant”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Josip Malic – “Pedagog”, direktor Skolske knjige, centar Zagreb
Dubravko Kustrak -“Elektron”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Ante dr Franic – “Tin”, “Dizdar”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Ivan dr Cesar – “Branko”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja i vanjska problematika
Ivan Vekic – “Srecko”, centar Osijek unutarnja problematika, (bivsi ministar UP)
Vladimir Seks – “Kolega” i jos neki pseudonimi, suradnja se odvijala kroz seriju informativnih razgovora, centar Osijek,
Zlatko Kramaric – “Tom” centar Osijek, unutarnja problematika
Hidajet Biscevic – “Luks”, centar Zagreb, kontraobavjestajna problematika
Srdjan Vrcan – “Caslav”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Dragutin Lipert – unutarnja problematika
Ivica Mastruko – “Katolik”, imao vase pseudonima, centar Split, unutarnja problematika,
Djuro Miladin -” Vlaho”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Vladimir Ivkovic – “Nestor”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika (odvjetnik)
Nikola Vucetic – “Bodul”, centar Zagreb, (odvjetnik)
Ivan Vukic – “Grgur”, centar Rijeka, unutarnja problematika
Berislav Jandric – “Faruk”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja, problematika
Ivo Gugic – sjediste sluzbe, ubijeni biskup iz Kotora
Sefko Omerbasic – centar Zagreb
Mustafa Ceric – “Vezir”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Petar Olujic – “Aco”, svecenik SPC, centar Sisak
Luka Vincetic – “Vinko”, svecenik RKC, centar Osijek
Vergilijo Bilic – “Zmorac”, centar Split
Vladimir Svenda – “Adam”, svecenik RKC, centar Bjelovar
Josip Racki – “Stolar”, svecenik RKC,centar Osijek
Stjepan Karalic – “Stef’, svecenik RKC, centar Osijek
Ivan Dotur – “Cezar”, svecenik RKC, centar Split
Tomislav Tensek – “Morlak”, svecenik RKC, centar Zagreb
Mirko Bingula – “Milos”, centar Osijek, RKC,
Mile Perencevic – “Ladja”, svecenik SPC, centar Karlovac
Dusan Kulundzic – “Rodo”, svecenik SPC, centar Osijek
Marinko Zadro – “Ero”, centar Zagreb, RKC,
Branko Belec – “Denis”, centar Bjelovar, RKC
Josip Fruk – “Grenadir”,centar Zagreb, RKC,
Mirko Kemives – “Mario”, svecenik RKC, centar Varazdin
Teodor Katic – “Nikola”, centar Osijek, SPC
Aleksa Kudjeljic – “Jovan”, centar Osijek, SPC
Ivan Kedjo – “Ciko”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Krunoslav Suto – “Luj”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Lovrenko Aljinovic – “Jozo”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Nedjeljko Madjarac – “Denis”, centar Osijek, unutarnja problematika
Slavko Borojevic – “Vuk”, centar Osijek, unutarnja problematika
Branka Majstorovic-Blazevic – “Vuka”, centar Osijek, unutarnja problematika
Spika – “Lord”, centar Osijek, kontraobavjestajna problematika (bivsi dir. IPK)
Pavo Bozicevic – “Slavonac”, centar Osijek, unutarnja problematika
Zef Daka – “Davor”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Veap Kurtisi – “Kis”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Jovica Balac – “Zrmanja”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Nikola Kristo – “Bokser”, centar Zagreb
Zlatko Lagundzija – “Mostarac”, centar Osijek, KP dom
Djuro Balataj – “Vule”, centar Zagreb, KP dom
Frano Marunica – “Dover”, centar Zagreb, sve problematike
Vinko Gadza – “Granicar”, centar Split, unutarnja problematika
Martin Matica – “Tin”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja i kontraob. Problematika
Mile Alilovic – “Ero”, centar Split, kontraob. Problematika
Ivo Rudenjak – “Adria”, centar Split, kontraob. Problematika
Milo Djivanovic – “Jagel”, centar Rijeka, kontraob. Problematika
Mihajlo Karadzic – “Filozof”, centar Zagreb, preventivni rad (carinik)
Branko Mraovic – “Viktorija”, centar Zagreb, unutarnja problematika
Ivan Ocak – “Knjaz”, centar Zagreb, kontraob. Problematika
Visnja Karlovcan – “Vasja”, centar Zagreb, kontraob. Problematika
Josip Krusec – “Dino”, centar Zagreb, kontraob. Problematika
Dr. Zarko Dolinar – centar Zagreb, emigracija (Svic.)
Ivan Cerovac – “Putnik”, centar Zagreb, emigracija (prekid krajem 80-tih) (Nj)
Boris Luksic – “Dejan”, centar Split, emigracija (Nj)
Zvonko Butkovic “Crni”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Nj)
Ivo Simunovic – “Oskar”, II odjel, emigracija (Nj)
Antun Krpeljevic – “Vladimir”, centar Split, emigracija (F)
Mato Hajduk – “Kemo”, centar Zagreb, emigracija (Nj)
Dinko Jukic – “Sirme”, centar Split, emigracija (F)
Ivan Jukic – “Djordje”, centar Split, emigracija, (F)
Ivan Erceg – “Andro”, centar Split, emigracija (Nj)
Neven Baricevic – “Marko”, centar Split, emigracija, (F)
Dinko Galic – “Budo”, centar Split, emigracija (Sved.)
Zdravko Majer – “Borac”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Austral.)
Zeljko Majer – “Crveni”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Nj)
Zeljko Duvnjak – “Zak”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Svic.)
Dragomir Brzovic – “Suica”, centar Zagreb,emigracija
Ante Lubina – “Josko”, centar Split, emigracija (USA)
Vladimir Cerovecki – “Bojan”, centar Zagreb, emigracija
Rudolf Kranjec – “Primo”, centar Zagreb, emigracija (Nj)
Vladimir Mikac – “Neno”, centar Bjelovar, emigracija
Petar Dabelic – “Meki”, centar Zagreb, emigracija
Ante Kovac – “Ivan”, centar Split, emigracija (Austral.)
Zlatko Bojic – “Poksa”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Nj)
Katica Kristo – “Anita”, centar Osijek, emigracija
Branko Sklepic – “Jerko”, centar Zagreb, emigracija
Ljerka Kruhek – “Zelinka”, centar Zagreb, emigracija
Pero Marjanovic – “Laufer”, centar Osijek, emigracija
Dusanka Lijic – centar Osijek, emigracija (F)
Andja Lazic – “Dinarka”, centar Split, cet. Emigracija
Ivo Jolic – centar Zagreb, emigracija (USA)
Jere Pandjic – “Stric”, centar Split, emigraacija (Nj)
Jure Zizic – “Milos”, centar Split,emigracija (F)
Krunoslav Prates – “Stiv”, II odjel, emigracija, (Nj)
Jure Knezovic – “Majk”, centar Zagreb,emigracija (Nj)
Ivica Cemeric – centar Zagreb,emigracija (Nj), suradnja prekinuta zbog izdaje njemackoj sluzbi
Ivica Kolonic- “Kec”, centar Bjelovar, emigracija (nj), suradnja prekinuta zbog izdaje njemackoj sluzbi
Mato Sarcevic – centar Rijeka, emigracija, (Nj), suradnja prekinuta radi izdaje njemackoj sluzbi
Milan Buskain-Gagarin – “Knez”, centar Split, emigracija (NJ), prekinuto radi izdaje njemackoj sluzbi
Ivo Cudina – “Crni”, centar Zagreb, emigracija (Nj),
Miroslav Skrinjaric – “Pjesnik”, centar Zagreb, emigracija (Nj)
Stjepan Mesek – “Dubravko”, centar Zagreb, emigracija (Nj)
Ivan Buljan – “Iko”, centar Split, emigracija
Mato Andric – “Mali”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Nj)
Marko Markovac – “Stribor”, centar Osijek, emigracija (Sved)
Branko Zovko – “Spacva”, centar Osijek, emigracija
Jozef Miler – “Hamilton”, centar Osijek, emigracija (NJ)
Stanislav Milosic Geza – “Pisac” centar Osijek, emigracija (NJ) umro
Zaja (rodjaci) – Gamischpartenkirchen (Nj), jedan na vezi sluzbe u Hrvatskoj, jedan kao konobar radio u Kelnu i bio dobar s Ledicem – na vezi Srpskoj sluzbi
Juric – centar Zagreb, emigracija (Nj), raniji vlasnik bistroa “Kivi”
Jasmina Kalinic – “Doxa”, centar Zagreb
Slobodan Delic – “Ujak”, centar Osijek, cet. emigracija (USA)
We only have 2 strikers that play every minute at the moment Mandzo and Ola. Mandzo speaks for himself Ola isnt a goal scoring machine he has given his all but he at times fails to put away chances.
Jelavic is looking for new club,Eduardo is looking for new club,Petric just signed in greece,Kalinic i dont like, Freash faces fighting for spots are Benko Kramaric Santini Rebic.
No wonder Niko Kovac wants 5 midfielders Perisic ilicevic Modric Rakitic Kovacic Possible Sertic Badelj will need to step up scoring IMO.
Petric just signed with Panathiakos with Sifo and Pranja. Petric looking to go to Brazil!
Hvala Ziva Istina!
Hrvati, don’t feed the troll!
Just in 3 hours ago.
Wenger keeping an eye on Mandzukic with Bendtner feared to be out for two months
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533498/Arsenal-monitoring-Mario-Mandzukic-Nicklas-Bendtner-feared-two-months.html
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I was just responding to the good doctor, Ziva. Now you guys are starting to get intimidated by me lol?
Guys, if you want Karadzic to go away, here is a suggestion…………..don’t respond to him.
Karadžiću dosadan si! We dont care about this serb cro crap. this is sports site feel free to name srb player and a serb 11 for euro 2016 no history please.
Like i said i just want a round of 16 placement after that is joy and bonus.
Hope Niko Kovac calls the right 23 main players stay healthy.
Ideal 11 is hard to do beacuse we never know who can pop into niko kovac eyes.
Doc, both Croats and Serbs were Chalcedonian christians=east orthodox christians
Those advanced stats dont meen anything when those guys line up for the repka, a different team than what those stats are based on.
Could croatia be an advanced stats sleeper in world cup 2016?
Advanced stats rankings of players by league
Spain
#3 Rakitic (behind only messi and ronahldo)
France
#4 Sertic
England
#17 Lovren (best rated defender)
Germany
#25 Badelj
#47 Mandzukic
@ Ivica just national team not Dinamo. and tickets will be given to each county evenly that what i read.
National Stadium?
As in, a stadium that will be used by the National Team as well as Dinamo, correct?
We dont need a national team stadium. We should rebuild stadiums all over croatia Like what pula are duing also read RNK split building nice 10000-15000 capacity stadium,
Spread games threw cro thats what i say Zagreb,Split,Rijeka Osijek Varazdin Pula. maybe Modric should make a staion 10,000 in Zadar haaa, i am against National stadium.
Seth Sinovic called up to USMNT to train for World Cup.
Zoran Vulic named Under 19 coach. I always thought he was one of the smartest coaches in Croatia.
HA!
Very true.
Love seeing that in the English leagues though.
Barely any room for corners or throw ins.
Seats are too close to the pitch for Croatian fans. Can you imagine the shit our bonehead fans would do being that close.
whoops “place”
Sounded like LAknat for a second 🙂
http://jeld-wenfield.com/news/jeld-wen-field-play-host-us-national-team-part-2013-gold-cup-doubleheader-july-9
This places is awesome!
Coming from a Whitecaps fan…
Actually the US played Gold Cup games there and the women’s national team have played there as well.
It’s apparently one of the best field turfs in the country.
Much better than Seattle’s.
I’m pretty sure it’s only European teams and country’s that won’t play on turf.
In Vancouver they had to put in grass for Man. City about 3 years ago and it was a fucking disaster!
The field looked like a rippled potato chip!
Regardless of the turf could you imagine if Jeld Wen was in Zagreb?
Now THAT would be a fuckin fortress!
And there are restrictions with that place. Yes, great place to watch a game but the US will never play as qualifier there as long as they keep using field turf and the dimenstions remain small.
If the savez wants to build a stadium to attract Euro 2020 matches then they will have to build one with more than soccer in mind. You need attractions to bring in the non-soccer fans to make it profitable.
Nice restaraunts, HD boards, wi-fi, covered seats, etc…..all of that is more the fan.
I’d rather accommodate 20-30 thousand hardcore fans than 50 thousand suits and fair weather fans. I don’t want to see it become a like a north american stadium.
Look at Jeld Wen Stadium.
Best atmosphere probably in ant sport in America.
It’s old and small but perfect!
And it being Portland they just have food carts all over the damn place.
You have to build something that accomodates every group of fans; rich and poor. The people with money and the wanna-be people with money (“sminkeri) go to places where they can be seen. They need their own VIP setting. That is why you have to have something for them so you can draw their money to the stadium.
@ Ziva
high end restaurants? c’mon bro lol… this ain’t America/Canada dude… I’d be happy with a little cevap stand that had decent food and a few good beers on tap.
They should go small.
20-30 thousand like some of the best MLS stadiums would be ideal.
If they want a new stadium it has to be built without public financing and at a minimum needs to include the following:
roof to cover all the seats
HD scoreboard and video
functioning wi fi
multiple restaraunts; some high end
suites with HD TVs in each of them
Fans must be comfortable and able to enjoy the game.
No need for that big of a stadion in ZG. 35-40k max is fine. In terms of NT games, if they do ever build a legitimate stadion in ZG (which might not be in our lifetimes) they should do something similiar to the Italian federation and spread the games out like so:
-Have games at a new ZG stadion vs. big boy teams, important qualifiers or when playing Serbia or other big rivals, when a sell-out or close is guarenteed
-Use Poljud/new Katrida or maybe even Gradski Vrt for normal WC/Euro quals
-Use Aldo Drosina/Stadion Hrvatski vitezovi (Dugopolje) along with maybe Kantrida/Poljud for bullshit friendlies
Geographically and based upon the best stadia’s we have, that would probably make everyone happy and the entire domovina could catch an NT game every now and again
More so the opposite. Life has rewarded me. Afterall, I reside in a fortified basement.
I see you bring nothing to the conversation so I am tempted to block you so I can avoid reading your posts.
Obviously you don’t understand the concept of an “analogy”. And you are the biggest idiot on this board. Life has failed you.
Right, because I make comments that are pro-serbian and anti-croatian like that clown? Think again you idiot.
Karzadzic would be the Ziva equivalent of SerbianSports.com (if there was such a website). Two peas in a pod.
So, now I am reading that Puppet Suker wants to build a national stadium in ZG that can seat 55,000 people. The goal is to get a few games in ZG at that stadium for Euro 2020. This my friends is comedy at its finest.
This clown wants to build a stadium that can seat 55,000. Outside of the Euros (they would get two games max), that stadium would never come close to being filled to capacity for soccer. The public needs to be bribed to show up for must win games for the repka and can’t fill 35,000 seats in Maksimir.
If they can build it without tax dollars being used, then fine. But this has disaster written all over it.
Never a dull day with the idiots running Cro soccer.
You had me all excited about that article. I thought he was going to discuss his ability to head the ball and his latest frizura. So disappointed.
Good article on the Rakitic situation.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1668589/ivan-rakitic-discuss-new-sevilla-contract?cc=5901
http://www.givemesport.com/414873-manchester-united-in-talks-to-sign-6m-starlet
Takvi ne postoje. I prestani citirati budalastine notornog ubojice i lazljivca (J. Perkovic) iz njegova opsirnog interviewa objavljen u VL-u.
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istina je to, istina. pa sami govnari to priznaju. ja sam bio u opatiji kad su nasli bombu koja nije eksplodirala. trebo vas je perkovic sve pobiti, i trebala je udba oko za oko zub za zub. pa kad bi usrasama i zene i djeca i braca i sestre letjeli u komadima dva puta bi razmislili prije nego i pomisle na terorusrase bombu u opatiju, postavi se bomba u usraski klub ili kucu. amerikani bi vam za isto zatrli trece koljeno.koja stoka to jedino hrvati i talibani po iraku i afganistanu postavljaju bombe i ubijaju vlastiti narod.
Doktor Prle says:
The Great Schism occurred in 1050AD.
Question of the day:
What was the dominant religion among Serbs prior to 1050?
The Croats were, by that time (and before the Serbs, of course) fully Christianized (Catholicized).
So, the question remains: What were the Serbs prior to 1050?
Remember, Serbs and Yugoslavs have logic as their greatest of enemy.
Takvi ne postoje. I prestani citirati budalastine notornog ubojice i lazljivca (J. Perkovic) iz njegova opsirnog interviewa objavljen u VL-u.
i neka se svi udbasi uhite i osude, ali takodje sam i za ovo, neka se objave imena i prezimena i mjesta odakle su iz hrvatske/bosne ti hrvati koji su htjeli/postavljali bombe po jadranu. pa neka se trazi njihovo izrucenje iz australije/njemacke i sudi im se zbog terorizma.
He will most certainly be extradited, as there is no statute of limitation on murder in Germany – the nation where he’s been indicted.
The European Arrest Warrant trumps all domestic law.
Don’t buy the UDBA spin.
@petar all well points, but if the money is right, he’s gone, Atletico would still have Adrian and Villa.
3 frienlies 2 confirmed Chile and Swiss. 3rd african team not yet most likely its either Nigeria or Alzir
*doing* my apologies.
I dont see Atletico selling Costa when they are do this well in La Liga as well as the Champions League. They are legitimate contenders in both competitions. I can see them cashing in during the summer, not now.
petar…….
he’s not looking at berbatov to start……insurance policy, arsenal will spend big, as much as i want it to be Mandza I think it will be Diego Costa….. everyone including Wenger knows Giroud is a piece of wood
Arsenal are rumored to be after berbatov for 2 million. Perhaps Wenger is back to his thrifty ways.
he wont be extradited, when we adopted EU laws, extradition only applied to warrants and crimes committed after 02, he’s accused of a crime in the 80’s
I keep hearing of Mandza to Juventus? hope not even if they get rid of Quag and Vucinic i still don’t like it
Lovren to Man City
Mandza to Arsenal
Druze Tito kupit cu ti ficu a Mercedes Anti Pavelicu
@Petar
Thank you for the article. Longest time I watched this kid with Dinamo and he was always solid. Hopefully he will get some playing time this year.
Why not? Who cares if they are round of 16 opponent. If the Savez thinks their style is close to Mexico’s style, then I’m cool with it. Other rumor was us playing Panama in a friendly. I rather play Chile.
Not sure why we are playing a game against Chile as they are a potential Round of 16 opponent.
Unless they think we play like Holland or Australia, I don’t see why they do it.
Josip Josip, svi smo za te. svi smo za te i uvik cemo biti. Josip Josip zivot za te…
Lopov Suker said we will play Swiss in march,Chile i think in South america and And african team in Split one of 5 that went to Brazil.
@ The Croatians on this site – Good interview with Tin Jedvaj
http://www.nogometni-magazin.com/newspro/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EFllyZZEAyMxyXPtBP&tmpl=coranto_ita_news
Also, apparently Juve looking at Elvir Maloku and Antonio Milic from Hajduk.
Bigger Criminal
Pavelic
Tudman
Mesic
Milosevic
Tito.
my order Milosevic Mesic Pavelic Tito Tudman.
@ The Croatians on this site – 17 year old Robert Muric one step closer to Manchester United?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-paper-round-mourinho-puts-united-red-010930624–sow.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2532380/Moyes-closing-securing-6m-rated-striker-Muric-bargain-300-000.html
I hate the Daily Mail, but this is just Football gossip.
Enjoy !!
@Armada87
We will start with UDBA, one day at a time my friend this will all slowly unravel.
Remember Perkovic is not the only jugo scum involved (he does many secrets though). People will talk and rat each other out. This will be interesting.
I wonder what kind of deal Perković got from the current government to not ‘out’ anyone?
I can only assume that his son, Saša, will be moving on up in his career now.
bigger criminals?
1 – UBDA
2 – HNS
3 – Vlada Republike Hrvatske
Now comes the sickness angle where I am sure his lawyers will argue he is to sick for deportation.
@Ziva
Great news plus he was not the only one arrested. I expect the commies will do everything possible but in the end he willl be in Germany. Looking forward to the fall out from all of this.
Well, Josip Perkovic was arrested yesterday. So, the year got off to a good start. But, I’m still skeptical if he ends up in Germany. Waiting to see what creative ways the commies use to keep him in Cro.
And if any of you are wondering who Josip Perkovic is and require Google, then your family has failed you.
After what happened to Joe and what’s been going on with our great nation in recent years, I’ve rolled over in my grave and vomitted. Twice.
Bog i hrvati.
ustaške p i c k i c e su se razbježale po svijetu, a dio ih se vratio kad je trebalo privatizirat i opljackat privredu ove jadne zemlje. a ovi sude prkovicu. kamo srece da je bilo 10 tisuca perkovica
The Great Schism occurred in 1050AD.
Question of the day:
What was the dominant religion among Serbs prior to 1050?
The Croats were, by that time (and before the Serbs, of course) fully Christianized (Catholicized).
So, the question remains: What were the Serbs prior to 1050?
Remember, Serbs and Yugoslavs have logic as their greatest of enemy.
Ante, maybe you should consider the context of the situations. I have been assaulted in this thread and the last few were just small altercations, but just because I have expanded on a couple topics does not change the fact that you are still catholised serbs and Albanian lovers. And yes, I am Haet, Ziva Istina, Ratko Mladic, Anton, and Milan Lucic. Am I missing anyone? Lol you guys act as if I spend all day looking at this site monitoring it just to wait for you guys to comment so I can begin my shenanigans. Honestly, it would kind of suck if you guys started ignoring me its fun to give a couple lessons and share my knowledge with you guys.
Also the original “Karadžić” probably was a Serb. HAET just decided to take up his identity, that’s why you see a marked improvement in writing. And continuous discussion of race.
@ Ante and Doktor Prle
I think you guys are on to something. No way a Serb spends this much time on a Croatian website. His facts on Serb culture are off.
His writing style is familiar, and he ALWAYS brings race into the debate….I should have known!
This is HAET.
The cat is out of the bag. We were ignoring him. But now he is masquerading as a Serb to get our attention and have a go at us.
And the above comments have come from a guy who only knew how to say that Croats are “Catholised(sic) Serbs” and that we are Albanian huggers.These were 80% of his baiting type comments.Funny,but simple and not too varied.Again,My arse is what I have to say ,and I wisely dismiss you immediately. I have nothing further to add.I suggest to my other friends that they do the same.
I swear you guys always have some nutty conspiracy theory like how Josip Broz Tito was an Austrian Jew reptilian or that Nikola Tesla founded the Ustase
Ante I don’t see what you are trying to say are you saying that I have a intelligent partner in crime or I’m an internet parody? I mean its not out of the realm of possibility, but when somebody disagrees with you its probably not wise to dismiss them immediately.
Darn. Either my comment was deleted or my computer glitched. Just a reminder to the admins that we are having a respectful discussion.
Ante how have my facts mattered? Facts are facts
IvicA once again you show your ignorance. If you look at Yugoslavia’s significant players (players capped more than 15 times) Serbs outnumber Croats 3:1.
Look IvicA I am an expert in Serbian culture, and in the 70s the Serbs began a large shift to basketball because of its relative convenience. That is when we began to excel at basketball, and decline in football. However the Serbs are unable to dominate basketball because the common negroid has fast twitch muscles. Despite the finesse and talent of Serbian players, the negroes will always have a advantage because they evolved in hunting and gathering along with hotter climates which led to an easier life. On the other hand, Eurasians had to deal with the ice age, and as a result could not rely on a consistent weather and they were forced to think of ways to survive. Animals and necessities were scarce, and this pattern of thinking was forced upon Eurasians which explains the inferiority of IQ in negroes. This is one reason I believe that Croatians and Albanians come from Iran theory because Horvat means friendly in iranian, so it is pretty clear that the Croats came from there, and it also makes sense because of the barbarian nature of the Croats and Albanians. I know what you’re thinking. KJH doesn’t this contradict the Croats are catholised serbs theory? No it does not. Because after the migration to Europe, the Serbs tried to integrate the Croats into their society, but unfortunately the Serbian nobility had a dispute, and that was how the House of Trpmirovic was born and how they manipulated the “Horvats” to establish a Croatian state.
@Faux Cro-As always,I will say that you are a fine and decent man,definitely something fishy going on here at the moment.
@Croatia v Antwerp and my Canadian friend Ivica-Up to you guys,but my humble suggestion would be to not give Suspicious Karadzic a platform.You put up great points,but let the guy put this stuff up on Serbiansports.com.Ivica,I know you love a good factual debate,maybe you need some fresh challenges,but dont waste your time with the current comparisons.The fact that Karadzic says he was on a phone before and now goes to a computer to write more clearly…..Yeah right,my arse(as we say in Aust.)
@ Karadzic
LOL. Are you serious?!
4th place at the 1930 World Cup?
The same World Cup where no qualifications were played and teams qualified via an “invite” from the hosts with several of Europe’s top teams declining the tournament?
Also, I don’t see how listing the top 10 scorers in Crvena Zvezda’s history proves that Serbs have better players than Croats. I could list all the Croats that make up Dinamo’s and Hajduk’s top 10 scorers list, but if I ask any of their fans who their greatest ever players were, I guarantee you they won’t be giving me a Serb’s name. Ask any Serb who Zvezda’s greatest player is, and I guarantee you they say Robi Prosinecki.
BTW, Why didn’t you just list Yugoslavia’s all time scorers list instead?
Afraid to see a Croat’s name at the top despite Dinamo’s and Hajduk’s strikers always getting the shaft for a Yugo callup?
😉
As for your 1962 World Cup being ‘Serb’ dominated…think again. Maybe all the benchwarmers were Serbs, but that team did what it did on the backs of Josip Skoblar, Drazan Jerkovic, Milan Galic, and Vlatko Markovic. Easily the four biggest names on that squad by a fair margin, and three of them being Croats.
Speaking of which, I even forgot to mention the 1987 FIFA World Youth Championship. A tournament that Yugoslavia actually won. That was a offensively supercharged squad that scored 17 goals in the tournament.
Out of these 17 goals, do you want to take a guess how many were scored by Serbs?
12 goals were scored by Croats, with the remaining 5 being scored by Montenegrins. ZERO were scored by Serbs. Actually, I don’t even recall if there were even any Serbs that made the cut for that squad.
But that’s okay, so long as Crvena Zvezda’s top-10 scoring list isn’t dominated by Croats, then it’s proof that things are all good in Serbialand. LOL.
@ Karadžić
Don’t kid yourself the 1930 WC was smaller and less competitive. That’s right, that side consisted mostly of Serbs. This would explain the pathetic 6-1 loss to Uruguay in the knockout round. Something that would repeat itself with Serbs, losing in humiliating fashion (vs. Argentina, vs. Netherlands) in modern times.
The 1962 WC, a much more competitive affair. The team was driven by the genius of Jerkovic and Galic, two Croats who both scored 4 and 3 goals respectively. The former being top scorer of the tourney. Their goals inspired the side to 4th place.
@Karadzic-I will keep my response to you simple.Your answer is bullshit! No way that your writing style and fact style changes that much.There is something fishy going on with you,but really I dont care that much.I like some of your stuff as it gives me a good laugh.Thats about it,otherwise I wont waste much time with you.To me you dont particularly exist,you know,a bit like Serbian Kosovo!
@KaraDICK nije Heroj:
Have you fully embraced twitter yet?
@Ante I was probably on my phone and I always cut things short on there. Thats why my shorter statements are sometimes choppy but when I get an essay like Ivica gave me then I have to go on the web and respond.
@Ivica
Top 10 scorers of all time for Crvena Zvezda
Rank. Player Period Goals
1 Dragan Džajić 1963–75; 1977–78 370
2 Zoran Filipović 1970–80 302
3 Rajko Mitić 1945–58 262
4 Bora Kostić 1951–61; 1962-66 158
5 Ivan Toplak 1954–61 144
6 Dušan Savić 1973-82 120
7 Darko Pančev 1988-92 84
8 Mihajlo Pjanović 1999–03 81
9 Predrag Đajić 1945-55 59
10 Stanislav Karasi 1965–66; 1968-74 57
No Croats? All Serbs except one Macedonian at #7?
Oh the 1990 world cup led by Croats… both the 1930 and 1962 teams that actually got 4th place were dominated by Serbs.
IvicA, you are frightened about the end of the dark ages of Serbian football. Soon we will go back to our old ways of dominating with a new generation that will have you shaking in your boots.
There’s definitely been a transformation in KJH’s writing style. For one, he’s now coherent…
Hats off to IvicA….
Brilliant work!
I have a question,I hope that spomeone can answer for me.I have only been glancing over comments for a little while,but something strikes me as really odd.
I dont pay him great attention(Although his entertainment value is high) but the writing style of Karadzic has changed.Am I right or wrong.He was always quite a simpleton before and his facts were awful.His writing style has improved which makes me wonder whats going on?
One thing did make me laugh though,”The re-conquest of Kosovo is not far off”Good luck my man!
@Karadžić
If Serbia tries to qualify with a purely ethnic Serbian team, then Serbia will never qualify for another tournament again.
The best footballers from the former Yugo were ALWAYS Croats, and to a lesser extent Bosanci and Crnogorci. If you look back at history it’s quite telling.
UEFA’s Top 100 All-Time greatest players had four Croats on the list and no Serbs.
Suker won the Golden Boot, but was only the second Croat to win it (Drazan Jerkovic won it in 1962 for Yugo).
In 1953, there were four Croatian players on the FIFA Select XI who played in that big game against England, with Bernard Vukas scoring a hat trick.
Without Croatia, Serbia’s only mild success came when they were still paired with Montenegro, who boasted Savicevic and Mijatovic during their advance to the Round of 16 at France 98. Easily their two best players. Montenegro still boasts players today (ie. Vucinic, Jovetic) that would be the main guys on offense had they still been together with Serbia.
If you ever watch the documentary ‘the last Yugoslavian team’, which documents Yugoslavia’s solid football run at the 1990 World Cup…half the team (and pretty much all the key players) are Croats. There were some notable Bosanci (ie. Safet Susic) and even three or four Crnogorci. But there were only like three Serbs on the team with only one of them (Piksi Stojkovic) being anything notable, and even he couldn’t carve out a career anywhere other than Japan.
Shit man, even PARTIZAN and CRVENA ZVEZDA celebrated Stjepan Bobek and Robert Prosinecki as their two Greatest Players of All-Time. Jesus. At least you can take solace in the fact that Prosinecki’s mom is Serb, but man, that’s rough. The greatest players on Serbia’s two biggest teams were Croats? Uff.
But back to Serbia’s current National Team…
If you start pushing Serbian-born (but not so Serbian background) guys like Adem Ljajic and Miralem Sulejmani out of an already weak and talentless Serbian roster, you might not even qualify for the very easy-to-qualify Euro2016.
@ Karadžić
Well, then you better get used to Serbia not going to the WC. Actually, the only WC they’ll go to is one they shit in.
Kosovo will enter FIFA and become an independent nation. Serbia just keeps getting smaller and smaller.
Reconquest? I think not. Serbia has historically been on the losing side of battles, most recently in ’95. Say, I’m surprised Serbia has even colors in their flag. Because throughout history they’ve been waving all white ones.
@Faux Cro…………..were you born yesterday. Nothing in common at all. But, keep trying.
@Armada……if true, then that should end his national team career if he fails to do anything with them. But, he would be a great tourist guide for the hrvati going down to Brazil for the WC. So, all is not lost.
Dudu to Bursaspor for 7 mil Euros?!?!?
@Croatia vs Antwerp
First off, I would recommend a lesson in the difference between your and you’re. Your’re is not a word. Anyhow if I was able to choose between Serbia not qualifying for the world cup and Serbia having an all albanian-gypsy-ustasa-nig team I would choose to not qualify. Serbia’s team should be Serbian, if you want some Albanians to play football for you, I’ll stick a couple in a crate and ship em off to Maksimir. Kosovo enter FIFA? Not likely for a while, and by the time they are “entirely accepted by the international community” as FIFA puts it, the reconquest will have already happened!
@Faux Cro
I’m sure everyone with an IQ over 80 sounds the same to you, cretin. I said that I agreed with Ziva’s stance on jock sniffing but he responded, and I quote, “Karadzic is no friend of mine.”
Funny how Ziva and KaraDICK nije heroj have very similar writing styles and vocabularies.
@Karadžić
“NO Albanians Croats blacks gypsies or any other non Serbian should NOT be on the Serbian NT”
Your’re actually right for once. NO Albanians should NOT be on the team. The Serbians actually bring down the quality of the side. The results speak for themselves.
I can’t wait for Croatia to play Kosovo. Soon Kosovo will enter FIFA. They got some very good players. Nothing like the Serbian team, which is just so poor.
@ dannyj
Lovren is a DM at core. He is too aggressive to play CB. He likes to win the ball, tackle and initiate offense. He has good technique and is a solid athlete.
He is like David Ruiz from Chelsea.
He is a natural DM and may be the defensive cover we need against all those dynamic attackers in our group.
Come on why this talk about this kid playing for Croatia and speaking poor German. Do we have proof of this or do people just make this stuff up as they go. He is a kid. 13 and lives in Germany and his dad is German. For nationality he has German down. Who knows where he ends up?
http://www.fussball-talente.com/Leon_Habib_Ernst-3_7-144467-2.html
sounds like lovren shit the bed some in the game against chelsea, did anyone watch?
@ivica if what you say is true I suppose I should buy simunic a beer for taking out that cigan
@blackcroatiansunite
Oh boy this is to good to be true LOL and you heard me right no Albanians Croats blacks gypsies or any other non Serbian should not be on the Serbian NT sorry for thinking that the Serbian nt team should consist of Serbians. Also you’re not croatian pal you’re black lol did your or dida Leroy fight for the ustasa
@Karadžić je Heroj
Man, you really should just go eat a bowl of dicks. On a Croatian site talking about the horror of having a couple of us on your NT whose “stays weren’t welcomed”? Wow…..
Re: Karadzic’s comment:
“these are serbs who were islamified under the ottomans, and although they are not muslim anymore, they still retain the Suleimanji surname which is rather unfortunate.”
Not muslim anymore? Are you sure about that?
Did you not notice his first name being Miralem?
Call him an ‘Islamified Serb’ all you want, but he actually describes himself as a Gorani Kosovar, and yes, he is definitely still muslim. I highly doubt his parents would name him ‘Miralem’ otherwise, lol.
Also, the other star player on the Serbia NT that doesn’t sing the Serb anthem (Adem Ljajic) is muslim from the Sandzjak region. Adem does describe himself as being Serb (by birthplace), but he still maintains his muslim heritage. Sandzjak muslims do not consider themselves to be converts like the Bosnjaci. They consider themselves as a separate group that are direct descendants to Turks.
5 more months cannot wait for Mundial 2014 just enjoy and hope for a 1/16 placement.
@ IvicA and TO Cro
Plus I’m sure his family will be going back to Croatia every summer for Holiday. They’ll probably use their home there as a summer home. So Ernst-Habib will have the opportunity to maintain his bonds with Croatia.
There is also the internet and social media which he can use to stay in touch with friends and keep up with his favorite club Hajduk. And before you know it, he will be on CS.com, joining the ranks of his fellow diaspora in finding out the latest in Croatian Sports!
Petar, my life is bearable. Thanks for the concern though, I’ll spend my day with family and I’ll watch the rose bowl. I am also spending the 30 seconds on this site to respond to your comment. IT is only 30 seconds of my time, is that really more pathetic than a grown man talking about some prepubescent afghani kid. What’s next? Are we going to talk about what kind of hairstyle this afghani german halfbreed has? Or maybe what kind of cleats he is going to use for his U14 game? Also IvicA these are serbs who were islamified under the ottomans, and although they are not muslim anymore, they still retain the Suleimanji surname which is rather unfortunate. I think we’ve had a coon or two on the Serb NT but their stays weren’t welcomed. Unfortunately, in football today there is a lot of hype over these negroid specimens and their fast twitch muscle, but more often than not they fail. hvala Bogu sto nema crnaca
@ Denis – Safe travels.
@ Armada – I did forget Roguljic. However, when it is all said and done, I feel that he may have one of the best careers. He is flying a bit under the radar with his move to Austria.
If the HNS would only come out with some grand strategy for Youth development like Clairefontaine.
I was upset when they fired Gudelj. I always thought he got a lot out of the youngsters and he had a wise head to him. It was never his fault that both Dinamo and Hajduk would refuse to allow some of their best talents to link up with the juniors for the major tournaments.
Happy New Year to everyone on cs.com.
Anyone in New Orleans?
Big Colin, on our way to Tampa Bay
I like it more when home grown HNL players make it into the national team thats why i liked the euro 2012 team only rakitic was not a HNL player all were home grown. Pletikosa srna sifo carli strinic rakitic vukojevic modric perisic jelavic mandzo the 11 v irealnd and italy.
Why the shock we live in 2014 blood lines in countries are changing. Look at france germany even italy. France full of arabs afrikans. Germany from klinsmanns birehoffs to gomez ozil khedira. Italy balotelli obinna motta so why is it a shock for croatia. Doesnt shock me at all. Look a no roots or passion for croatia gteam if you go by this site standards the following should not play sifo,ademi,habbib,maloku,halilovic,eduardo,ilicevic,sertic,subasic,hrgota,
LOL.
I love how these two Čedos are talking smack on this site, yet their two best players are mujos who don’t even want to sing their national anthem.
@ Petar
Coric
Lulic
Roguljic
Brozovic
Caktas
etc.
you mentioned some good names and we both forgot some – no way to all these kids pan out, but as long as 4-5 of them do, the NT will be in great shape
@ Karzadzic – How pathetic is your life? I knew it was quite bad because you are such a coward you hide behind a pseudonym. It is new years day and you are spending your day on a Croatian sports site!! Get a life, coward.
hmmm, the habib one is an interesting one. seems like he meets all of zivas requirements potentially? what do you think ziva?
Alright guys, hand in your man card. Talking about a 13 year old afghani kid’s future, and yet you cry about how Ziva is a jerk for calling you jock sniffers.
ahahaaa Croatia ce imati 11 igraca koji pricaju 11 razlicitih jezika, ovo zajeballo I francusku I englesku, tamo jes da im timovi izgledaju ko nacionalni tim afrike ali se barem svi razumiju…
Hey man, those Polskis and Turkies that got called up deserved them at that point in time. There’s still a TON of German born Turks who play (or have played) for Turkey instead. Germany didn’t jump to secure their services just so they don’t represent another. They never do (Otherwise they wouldn’t have let Nuri Sahin or Sead Kolasinac slip away).
After the Anthony Seric debacle in ’98 to the more recent examples where we even somehow got involved in the Januzaj sweepstakes, Croatia definitely likes to expand their options.
But if the kid is born and raised in Croatia (where there is no German or Afghani community) he’s pretty much assimilated into the culture and probably speaks poor German or Afghani.
The only way he plays for Germany is if his dad is a big German football fan and pushes his kid in that direction. But his parents are academic types, so who knows.
@ IvicA – I posted stuff on Habib weeks ago. Read about him last spring when he signed with Bayern.
Croatia has less shame than Germany? Right, because there are no Polaks or Turks that play for Germany…
Plus, the kid is ethnically German-Afghani. I would guess that he speaks at least three languages…
Well if Ernie Habibović is already 13 years old and is as big of a Hajduk & Croatia fan as he is (probably only speaks Croatian with German probably being his second language), he’s probably more likely to be representing Cro in the future.
If he pans out as a talent, he would be eligible for callup to junior squads within two years from now. It’s likely he wouldn’t decline either a Germany U16 or Croatia U16 callup. Croatia has less shame than Germany and would call him up just to get him playing in the youth ranks to better secure his future. Germany would only call him up on merit.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jan/01/croatia-arrests-ex-spy-chief-sought-by-germany/
Finally!
@to Cro
You make a valid point. I expect the kid would also pick Germany.
jos malo pa ce 11 takozvanih hrvata pricati 11 razlicitih jezika u reprezentaciji, ahaaaa ovi ce zajebati i francusku i englesku.
Apparently, Ernst-Habib is a huge talent. I think he’s thirteen. His dad is pretty entrepreneurial. He started the yellow pages in Russia and sold his company for millions. The whole family moved back to Germany, so even if the kid becomes a player I doubt that he would play for Cro…
ok now he pretty well passes all the strict codes of some of us, being born in cro, loves hajduk and wants to play for cro… though zero cro blood
this will be an interesting topic here in about 8 years!
Sretna Nova Godina to everyone.
Since we’re on the topic of youth players…
Who’s heard of Leon Ernst-Habib?
Some German dude went to Moscow to study University and met an Afghan woman who was studying there as well. They married and went to Hvar on vacation back in the early 2000s. They fell in love with Croatia. Being hippies that they are, they decide to simply live there, and they end up having a kid. This kid (Leon) is like 10 years old right now, grew up playing in the Hajduk youth ranks, and was recently signed to Bayern Munich’s youth team. Kid’s a die hard Hajdukovac and said he dreams about playing for Cro one day.
Got ourselves another Habibovic coming one day…
@ Croatia vs. Antwerp – No doubt that the talent will keep flowing in. I just pray that the HNS has an overall vision. Something along the lines like Le Masia or Clairefontaine would be a dream come true. Is the HNS that progressive though?
@ IvicA and Poglavnik
€15 million for Rakitic, would make him the bargain of the January transfer window. I’d figure €20-25 million is his value.
@ PRL
There is also Tonci Mujan, a highly rated 18 year old Hajduk winger. Whilst it remains to be seen if Croatia make another major run in a tourney. One thing is for certain, the talent just keeps flowing.
@ Everyone
Sretna Nova Godina
@ ARMADA – Pasalic and Milic are both young players that are rated quite highly at Hajduk. 17 yr old Robert Muric is rumored to be near a large transfer shortly. Also, Ante Coric who Dinamo acquired in the summer, Brozovic and Pjaca are players I like from the younger generation. Karlo Lulic from Osijek is a huge talent. Osijek reportedly turned down 2 million for the 17yr old.
Also, Dominik Pelivan. He is 17 year old, born in Germany to Croatian parents and is the captain of the Hertha Berlin U 17s. He plays a DM. The German National Team has already started to try and get him in their junior program. I have read that he wants to play for Croatia.
As Mr Black said a few weeks ago, Mocinic is also another youngster to keep an eye on. Fingers crossed that Bubnjic gets some playing time at Udinese.
Everyone in LA is going to St. Anthony’s for their New Years bash. The place is sold out!
What is LA up to for New Years
Only 4 months to Deseti Travanj!!!
SPREMNI!* 🙂
Sretna Nova 2014. godina! Sve najbolje ljudima dobre volje!
ZA DOM PREMNI!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7nAXpb8PI
Anyone gonna go see mate bulic in Hamilton tonight?
@Poglavnik
His value on Transfermarkt.com is listed at 15.000.000 €
I’d say that’s probably an accurate number for him.
I’d love to see him at Liverpool over PSG though.
We played 4-5-0 against Iceland when Mandzo was ejected, and it was the right call.
We should play a similar lineup without Mandzo against Brazil in a 4-5-1 formation, so I don’t really care who our lone striker is, so long as we don’t try and experiment with different formations and players out of position (ie. Olic as a winger, remove a midfielder in favour of a temporary two-man striker partnership with zero chemistry, etc)
http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/31/ivan-rakitic-set-to-opt-for-paris-st-germain-rather-than-liverpool-chelsea-or-manchester-united-4245785/
Man, Rakitic’s value is all over the place!
What’s this guy really worth?
Sretna Nova svima samo ne njima!
Sports wise I wish that the best play in 2014 and no one get hurt,that NK finds and makes the team Click and play like he did because the team has talent just needs a Strong hand to push it to the next level,
Lineups NK puts out will be fun to see what can we expect.
V Brazil if no one hurt i think Pletikosa Srna Lovren Carli Pranjic/New/Strinic-DM Modric-Kovacic Rakitic Rebic-Olic. iTs tough to make a lineup with NK at helm he plays guys in Form and no favorites. Idemo 2014 1/16 vs Spain.
I have funny feeling about Eduardo playing against Brazil.
We all love his service to the repka but he is Brazilian!
Play him against Cameroon and Mexico or not, but Brazil is a different thing.
@ Admada
Perica is a 6’4″ stud who plays regularly in Holland.
God bless Benko and Rijeka but we need to look to the future.
Give Rebic a run out against Brazil. Worst case he runs their defense ragged. Best case be scores and then you have a two headed monster with Mandzukic for the rest tournament!
I think we should just enjoy 2014 not expect much from cro at WC. I think 2016 croatis shoukd be a player quarter final semi final or bust i dont care with that western culture crap croatia small balkqn country NO we are small country but a big footballing nation. I expect 2016 euro just like euro 1996 and 2018 wc will he 98 for cro all over agin.
and rakitic should not be playing in a dm role. He should be ahead of modric and kova
@soul champ,
hope to see eduardo in that line up against brazil rather than rebic.
@ Vatrena
Why play games at Poljud?!? That place is cursed bro…! Games should be at Aldo Drosina or Kantrida (aka Hrvatska Tvrdava); Kantrida has hosted the same amount of matches as Poljud (11) and we’ve never lost a game in Rijeka.
I hope you clowns pick up on my sarcasm here….
Suker said games will be played in split. Let’s see if he’s full of shit or not
@ Soul Champ
Perica as a sub over the likes of Dudu and Benko?!? Maaaa daj co, have you started celebrating early with the rakija/sljivovica?!?!
😉
@ armada and dannyj
I too have worried that hns would slip into a dark age of mediocrity.
This World Cup stabilizes our national set up. All these young studs will all aspire to actualize a spot in the squad.
Speaking of young talent I think we should try Kovacic on the right wing. Jebi ga he is young and talented and will be able to cut in when Srna overlaps.
Brazil
Rebic
Olic
Perisic Modric Kovacic
Rakitic
Pranjic Corluka Lovren Srna
Pleti
Subs- Vrsaljko – Perica – krancjar
Sve najbolje Svima !!!!!!!!!!
There are two benefits to joining the EU…….the crooked political elite can make more money and out athletes are free to go to other EU countries without any restrictions.
Sretna Nova Godina – svima!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Anonymous
Sta zelis reci?
Sta zelis pitati?
Nova godina, pustimo povjest, pocnimo novo, za dobrobit naseg naroda……Idemo dalje ne unazad……………………
koji narod stavlja bombe u vlastitoj zemlji i ubija vlastiti narod. to pored hrvatske emigracije jos jedino rade talibani u iraku, afganistanu pakistanu postave bombu u svom vlastitom mjestu rodjenja.
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@ dannyj
Personally, I feel like we’re 2 generations away from another ‘golden generation’
Muric
Canadija
Halilovic
Basic
Brodic
Perica
with those guys eventually mixing with some of our U19/U21 guys:
Datkovic
Rebic
Situm
Vrsaljko
Culina
Radosevic
Delac/Zelenika/Sluga
and the team being led by then established ‘stars’/vets (we’re talking a few years down the line)
Modric
Kovacic
Corluka
Rakitic
Lovren
honestly, a few years back I thought after this generation, the NT would slip big time and join the likes of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc. in that mid-tier within Euro NT’s where you’re lucky just to make a tournament, but with all this talent coming through the ranks (granted, they all won’t blossom) we’re bound to stay a top 20 side in the world. Although I was never a fan of the EU, a lot of these kids can join legimate clubs/leagues really early on (as many of the above are already doing) and I think be better nurtured rather than sticking around Hajduk, Dinamo, Rijeka, Lokomotiva, etc. On the flip side, the remaining quality left in the HNL will be gone, but it’ll make our NT stronger.
Jedan dio naših političkih emigranata atakirao je na našu obalu, a koristilo se sve, od bombi do eksploziva da bi se rastjeralo turiste i materijalno oslabilo komunistički režim. Da se to događalo, građani na moru koji su živjeli od turizma bili bi teško oštećeni. Bilo je izvedenih akcija. Taj dio hrvatske emigracije bio je krak međunarodnog terorizma. Uvijek je u svim akcijama sudjelovao netko od stranaca. To su bili pripadnici terorističkih skupina za koje smo mi znali, bilo je i lijevih i desnih, nisu oni birali. Nedavno se na jednom našem blogu sa svojim meditacijama pojavio čovjek koji je bio vezan uz službu jedne europske zemlje. On je 1975. napravio dvadesetak bombi koje su jedan Hrvat i jedna Njemica donijeli na obalu. Plan je bio postavljati ih od juga prema sjeveru i nakon toga povratak u Njemačku. Čovjek koji je izradio bombe bio je stranac. Otkriveni su i suđeno im je. Osamdesetih godina hrvatska služba iz redova emigracije izuzela je 170 kg eksploziva namijenjenog za ove potrebe, onesposobila raznim metodama 120 kg, izuzeli smo 50 već pripremljenih eksplozivnih naprava, 30 smo onesposobili, izuzeli smo 5 kg smjese za izazivanje šumskih požara i jednu manju količinu otrova. Zadnja bomba postavljena je 1986. u hotelu Slavija u Opatiji. Imala je 5,2 kg eksploziva. Do eksplozije nije došlo zbog greške na satnom mehanizmu.
Samo jedna grupa dopremila je 1980.-1981. na tlo Njemačke iz jedne susjedne zemlje 512,5 kg eksploziva. S tim eksplozivom hrvali smo se deset godina.
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Sports/2013-12-30/34934/A_new_wave_of_Croatian_football_talents_to_move_abroad