In wake of today’s tragedy in Paris, which is inhumane and simply scary anyway you look at it, I pose this question to you CroatianSports Nation. And I’m not trying to guide this conversation towards religion or politics or immigration or anything like that, even though it has everything to do with it, however, from a purely sports perspective:
Does the attack on Paris deter you from going to France this summer for Euro 2016?
Yes, this is an absolutely selfish question to ask at this time but there’s also something bigger going on here. Over 100 people died today in a terrorist attack and this comes only 10 months after Paris was attacked in the Charlie Hebdo episode.
More over, should the players feel safe?
While in Paris Friday afternoon, a bomb scare forced an evacuation of the hotel the German national team was staying in. It was a false alarm, but again, this was just hours before the real threat was launched.
France has some things to ponder tonight. Big things. And I think Euro 2016 needs to be discussed.
In just seven months time France will have hundreds of thousands of fans coming in from all over Europe for the football festivities.
But can their security handle it?
After everything that has happened this year in France’s capital…
My answer is no.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/italy-muslim-students-refuse-to-observe-moment-of-silence-for-paris-victims/
Good luck to your Maple Leafs though, I know what those long droughts are about.
I’m being honest when I say it’s not a complex thing. For me it’s all about Islam.
@Cekic
“People like Sude Mi, well, they’re not sure what to believe.”
Here’s what I believe;
-Most people on this planet are inherently good; the remainder are corrupted by life’s difficulties; we should pray for them.
-the Apostle’s Creed.
-one day the Toronto Maples Leafs will win the Stanley Cup.
-As frustrating as they can be, I will ALWAYS cheer for the Vatreni.
-Canada and Croatia are the two greatest nations on earth.
– I love my family.
– there are those who see Catholicism as irrelevant, not just as you claim Muslim’s….who gives a shit – I believe what I believe and that is all that matters to me.
– some people prefer to see the evil in people, you can call me foolish but I prefer to see the good first….just how I was brought up I guess.
Not an exhaustive list by any means of what I believe but just a taste to demonstrate that in fact I am sure of a lot of things, just maybe not when it comes to something as complex as this particular matter.
Again, simply writing off 1.2 BILLION people on the planet to me is myopic to say the least.
Its a complex thing hammer, if you can’t acknowldege that then i’m sorry you’re not being honest.
Hilary Clinton said it’s not about Islam.
Bill Clinton never had sexual relations with that woman.
ISIS says it’s about Islam.
Allahu akbar means God is great, remember what I said before, Muslims believe that our doctrine on the Trinity is blasphemous. So it’s obvious Muslims believe that our God is false. This is why those Azerbaijani fans yell during the minute silence, while they’re not terrorists, for them they see it as fight between Truth and Falsehood. Now who wouldn’t want to fight for the Truth? Remember every single Muslim in the world believes our Faith is false and our God false. People like Sude Mi, well, they’re not sure what to believe.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-QRZ-gcG4Es
No, I’m open minded and willing to consider other points of view.
My apologies btw, I was actually referring to thr Inquisitions.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/breaking-islamist-screaming-allahu-akbar-shoots-two-soldiers-dead-in-bosnian-capital/
Yeah, you don’t mention Protestants but you mention the reformation lol. So basically you are know saying you actually don’t know what the reformation was. Please stick to topics you actually have a clue about mate, because you are absolutely clueless about history.
And that article you posted Sude Mi parrots a lot of what I’ve been saying and the things you’ve been arguing against. Not sure if you actually bothered reading it or maybe you are trying to back pedal?
Interesting piece and well written….
http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/religion-of-peace-is-not-a-harmless-platitude/
@MelbCro
“Ugh, you really have some major difficulties in reading. You were the one that said protestant reformer viewed Catholics as fundamentalist. Which is a completely incorrect reading of history. The reformation at its heart was about adopting puritanical beliefs.”
I actually wrote the following and I quote: “In the Middle Ages during the reformation, how do you think non-believers viewed the Catholic church?”
Touche re major difficulties in reading….where do I mention Protestant reformers exactly? You know what they say about people in glass houses don’t you?
an early christmas present for Ziva Istina…
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/clt/5320936694.html
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“In some ways they may be in the same boat as Croatians with the Ustasa….you know what they did, why they did it, but calling them out in the community is tough.”
Call out the Ustasa based on what though? The average joe can’t separate reality from 70 years of Serbian and Communist propaganda.
@ Slavonac
Zvonko was fighting for an independent Croatia. ISIS aren’t fighting for any noble goal, they are fighting to create a Caliphate. Their goal is expansion, its a goal of imperialism. That is the direct opposite of freedom fighting. That’s why ISIS is fighting Hamas, both are sunni Islamist groups. But Hamas are also nationalists, while ISIS don’t believe in the idea of a nation state.
“My problem with you and your defenders is that you lump all Muslim’s together based on your prejudices. What percentage of that religion are extremists and what percentage are pacifist? You and your kind appear to believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that 99% are extremists….my view is that it is significantly lower, say under 5%. This is where we appear to disagree.”
That’s not what it is at all. Islam is Islam, there no such thing as extremist or moderate. ISIS are reading the Koran and basing their belief system on what is written. This issue is the Islamic faith. The problem you have then is to get upset about the nature of individuals that you know, which is completely missing the point.
“You’re telling me that during the Middle Ages people were not killed by the Catholic Church and its crusaders in the name of heresy?”
Ugh, you really have some major difficulties in reading. You were the one that said protestant reformer viewed Catholics as fundamentalist. Which is a completely incorrect reading of history. The reformation at its heart was about adopting puritanical beliefs.
The Crusades were a product of their time, they were no more barbaric or less barbaric than anything else of the era. But people such as yourself like you use the violence of the Crusades as a point scoring contest, never mind the historical contest. But mate you want to get into it , lets do it. The Crusades were a reaction to centuries of Islamic aggression. As soon as Mohammed popped up in the middle east in the 7th century he and his followers picked up the sword and started building an Empire, a caliphate. Large parts of the Middle East were Christian, such as North Africa but the Muslims armies came in a forcibly converted en masse with the sword. The Moorish Muslims entered Spain in 709, a mere 77 years after the death of Mohammed. They entered fucking Europe and conquered most of Spain for god sake. This was 6 centuries before the Ottomans entered Europe. Islamic pirates for centuries terrorised Mediterranean nations, kidnapping and murdering. Then entering the next millennium is when the Seljuk Turks began their aggression in both the holy land and with their invasion of Byzantine Empire territory, which led directly to the start of the Crusades.
I have to correct you there Elvis, you should be saying, the joy of Azerbaijanis.
Why did they boo, maybe because they’re Azerbaijani, maybe because they’re Muslim, or maybe because they support what the French terrorists did even though the Azerbaijani fans aren’t terrorists themselves?
The joy of Muslims.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/video-second-muslim-stadium-boos-moment-of-silence-for-dead-parisians/
You know what would be funny, try talking about this subject without using the words Muslim or Islam.
How about those Frenchmen attacking France, looks like France has a problem with Frenchmen!
Anyway I’m going to McDonald’s, gonna go order myself some freedom fries!
@Sude Mi
Please be careful in those debates you have with Muslims. I can imagine you will avoid discussing the Holy Trinity.
This is a tricky question for you to answer, do you see Muslims as believers or unbelievers?
You should run for EU head; in this climate your policy platform just might get you elected – that is of course unless a Jihadist doesn’t give you a big hug while strapped with C4!
First all Syrian illegals need to be sent outside Europe. I think Saudi Arabia can help. Why wouldn’t they?
Second all prisons in Europe with Muslims need to be cleaned of them. Deport all of them.
Third any muslim who has ever uttered an anti Western word. Deport.
Fourth no more welfare cut it off. Many will self deport after this.
Think big Sude Mi.
@Elvis
I didn’t deliver anything, save for watching the Leafs beat Detroit while my wife gave birth to our daughter, naturally! LOL
I watched my son being born; unfortunately no hockey game on at that time.
Good Job Sude did you delivery naturally or did you have a c-section?
Just study Muslim history. It has always been about conquest and forced conversion. As Croats all of you should know the damage these people caused our ancestors. They haven’t changed a bit. We are under no obligation to allow them in Croatia or any where in Europe. I read that Japan refuses to let any in. I think we need to follow Japan’s Example.
@Elvis
“A Liberal and his head will soon be parted in the new Europe that Sude & Slavonac will help create.” I have not helped create Europe as it exists today, my parents arrived in Canada in 1959 and created a life for themselves here in North America. Furthermore, the perpetrators should be tracked down and liquidated. See, I can separate fact from fiction.
“No interest in the Middle East let them all go back there.” Your lack of acknowledgement that suggesting they can all go back is an impossibility erodes any credibility in what you type.
@ Elvis
Two.
this is pretty cool
https://www.facebook.com/MKandDS/?fref=nf
A Liberal and his head will soon be parted in the new Europe that Sude & Slavonac will help create.
No interest in the Middle East let them all go back there.
I’ve done my duty how kids u have?
@Elvis
The answer to the demographic trends for Catholics has nothing to do with Muslims….Catholics the world over need to make more babies…look at CRO and their downward population spiral.
Your message to all Catholics needs to be to get their groove on…no condoms, no rhythm method! LOL
Either that or perhaps you can volunteer to spread the word in the Middle East and look to convert the Islamic heathens to the Good word?
Every little bit helps.
Yes I agree with that as well. I know we also have had challenges within our Croatian society and I’ve seen many people fight over politics…and I mean many.
I think the topic you mentioned about Ustasa and the overall mixed feelings is a good one but if we take this one step further and use the example of Zvonko Busic, it would easily compare to how outsiders view terrorism. I for one supported Zvonko and I know that is a very questionable comment but I did respect that even though he was extreme …he’s was trying to fight for a cause when nobody cared to listen. I would never, under any circumstance try to justify the fact that someone died and the fact that Zvonko was responsible for that made me really sad about this whole ordeal…but that is an extreme example of how I see Muslims fighting for a cause…using violence and terrorism which in Zvonko’s case, he used an extreme form of attention seeking and killed an innocent man.
@Slavonac
I’d really like to see more Muslims within our society stand up and speak out…
Took the words out of my mouth, I agree with you 100%!
P.S. In some ways they may be in the same boat as Croatians with the Ustasa….you know what they did, why they did it, but calling them out in the community is tough.
Sude with the demographic trend there won’t be any Catholics left. What do you think will happen to Catholics when Muslims become the majority. How well do they treat Catholics? Wasn’t a Catholic priest be-headed last year in Turkey.
I am a Catholic but this current Pope has taken the path of least resistance.
Yes, I think we have to separate the emotions and look at how and where we can better learn to co-exist, even though I feel like that word is kinda silly. I never feel fear with the families I “co-exist” with, whether its the Muslim families at my kids schools or my colleagues at work or the attendant at the gas station…I don’t know a single family that frightens me…but they do exist.
I’d really like to see more Muslims within our society stand up and speak out…but I believe many of them fear reprisals…which in turn does confirm some of our suspicions that they know the severity of the extremism within their religion…that it has been hijacked by dangerous people using the curtain as a Muslim while their ideologies might be far different.
Special shout out to man’s best friend who gave his life taking out the muzzies. BTW can you guess how muzzies treat dogs?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323495/Hero-police-dog-blown-terrorists-stand-Diesel-seven-year-old-Belgian-Shepherd-honoured-dying-defend-colours-killed-suicide-bomber-sent-apartment.html
Agree that number is brutal and troubling…the flip side is that by our count there are thus 1.33 BILLION who are not…again, sad.
I don’t disagree with much of what you provide as examples.
I guess where I come from, I see that the genie has been let out of the bottle so how do we co-exist?
Some on here would argue ship them all back. Well, we all know that is not even remotely possible given the open-ness of the world as we know it today. Our freedom to travel anywhere, conduct business globally comes with a price. A multi-cultural world currently clashing on many levels as you so aptly provided examples.
Thus, it boils down to this. Does more hatred, suspicion, fear and half-truths help or hinder the ability for all these people to get along? I would argue it simply makes things worse.
It is a complicated, emotional, trying period in world history. How can each of each try to make it better, even in some small way?
Again, advocating white only nations (by the way, we all know lots of white people who are nasty pieces of work) or elimination of immigration (I say again, the horses have left that barn too) to me is just not realistic.
Sude Mi,
look at it like this …5% of 1.4 billion is…
70 MILLION
I agree its probably around the 5% mark…so that leaves us with 70 MILLION EXTREMISTS!
Sude Mi,
I think most of us if not all are reacting emotionally. On one side you have those of us that take the low percentage of Muslims and do not separate them when we speak ill of them, myself included. The challenge in that right now is, based on many pieces of information we get, things within that faith just seem to be negative and dangerous. Apparently one of the terrorists in the Paris murders was a woman…which now makes it even more difficult on a few levels and since you and I are both Canadians, I do NOT want women wearing Burka’s/Niqab’s…PERIOD!
Am I racist? NO!!! I just think we cannot allow certain groups to have special treatment when it could be a security risk to my children and yours. In this case, how do I tell my staff they can’t come to work wearing Halloween costumes or that they can’t come to work in their pajama’s…but if they are Muslim, they can wear a bag over their body?!
when I see or read about a Muslim group cheering or celebrating a terrorist success, I wonder…who the fuck are these people? why do I feel concerned for their well-being when they couldn’t give two shits about humanity?
when I see these videos online of them complaining about the type of food they are getting or the fact that they don’t have good channels on tv or that they intimidate the locals in Germany or Slavonski Brod (my home town)…I lose the will to accept. I may be wrong but I do not ever remember seeing or reading about Croatian refugees during the 91-95 war complaining about the shitty TV channels or the food they got…do you?
did you ever read Croatians were raping girls in camps? we read about it in the camps in Germany. how many times did we read a Croatian shit on someone front lawn? I see it in the German news….am I just delusional?
there has to be a balance but at the current moment, I believe Muslims should go to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE…extremely rich countries and yet, they won’t open their door to their Muslim brother?
WHY NOT?
@MelbCro
Re-read all my posts my friend, I call out any of the extremists that have committed crimes and have called for a lethal military strike(s) to hit at the heart of the extremists. Where did I not call out those acts.
My problem with you and your defenders is that you lump all Muslim’s together based on your prejudices. What percentage of that religion are extremists and what percentage are pacifist? You and your kind appear to believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that 99% are extremists….my view is that it is significantly lower, say under 5%. This is where we appear to disagree.
You’re telling me that during the Middle Ages people were not killed by the Catholic Church and its crusaders in the name of heresy?
@Slavonac
Everyone on here tends to insult when they get into a debate, re-read and you will see this to be true….I get carried away unnecessarily, apologies. Guess it is the Licki blood in me.
Elvis, tolerance is a Catholic trait. Perhaps you should actually practice your faith and read the bible more often to understand what a true follower of Christ does and how they should live their lives.
I’m quite happy to be a Catholic, not interested in converting to anything.
“In the Middle Ages during the reformation, how do you think non-believers viewed the Catholic church?”
What a silly comment and one that exposes you once again. The reformation which began with Martin Luther was in regards to the Catholic church not being fundamentalist enough. With what the viewed as an opulent faith which had strayed from the core tenants of Christian faith. So your attempt at making a point in regards to Catholicism being viewed as extremists fails miserably.
“I work with probably half our staff being Muslim, from a headcount of 50 people. Their version of Islam is peace, love and tolerance. That is the part you people don’t seem to understand through your ignorance.”
The only person being ignorant is you Sude mi. You really are part of the problem. You defend the indefensible, and you resort to shouting people down to once more shut down the discourse that needs to happen about Islam. By putting your head in the sand you empower the Islamists and legitimise their struggle. The fact is that Islam has a massive culture problem, one that breeds violence and disgusting behaviour. Yet here you are not wanting to call out those acts and call out not just the faith, but the Islamic community that either actively supports it or supports it through their silence.
Sude Mi, what’s with the name-calling dude?
I’ve probably had the same or more experience with Muslims than most, I had a few Iranian friends here and let me tell you, I’ve seen two sides of the coin.
In most cases, the educated are usually far different than the lower class…they’ve usually had very different paths when it comes to religion. I’ve also hired and had Muslim neighbours, also interesting people but depending on where they’re from, you get a different perspective on how they see religion, ***politics and their overall culture.
There’s a massive difference in a wealthy Iranian or an educated person from Tanzania than those that come from middle to low class in most other Muslim countries.
here’s the best part of all this…I used to have a doctor (husband and wife have their own practice here in Vancouver) that were Egyptian, they were Christians…they HATED Muslims, not because of the Koran but because of how they, as Christians, were treated in Egypt. My life-long friend is from Lebanon, he also hates Muslims and has told me on several occasions that they are scum and that Christians in Lebanon are treated poorly. He said drive down the street, look at one side of the road and it looks like a giant shit-hole, you immediately know its the Muslim neighborhood…then look across to the other side and its the total opposite…its clean, there’s much less crime and a sense of order.
You tend to insult people when you are in a debate, not sure what that’s gonna resolve?
I saw, with my own eyes, how the Iranian community operates here in Vancouver. They live in a few different areas here but in one part, they are pretty low class…many of them lied on their refugee claims and have been legally deported 2 and 3 times but won’t leave. they collect welfare and work under the table, the do insurance scams and know far better than most how to survive by beating the system.
I hired a Pakistani a few years back, the guy was awesome…funny, smart and a great employee….he himself told me of how 9/11 was celebrated in his own family…people that live here. he said in their culture, they see religion, the rules of their religion and politics all in one. there divide amongst Muslims based on their sect…ie…Sunni, Shiite…can be extremely harsh and violent, he also said that the tolerance they have for certain topics is not adequate here in the western world….this comes from a guy that loves Canada and has done very well here but sees many of his own family members as crazy and lack the many basic fundamentals it takes to survive and co-exist with their neighbours. why? because they live as Pakistani’s and have the same Pakistani views politically, they have moved because of the hardships of living in their former country but want the same standards here…they view their neighbours as non-religious lost souls and look down on those that are not like themselves…all this from a guy that loves Canada and knows his parents and relatives really should be living amongst their own people cause life here, just isn’t what they grew up with….how many are like these people?
Sude Mi just convert already we don’t need you.
Ha ha ha
You read the Koran? Thanks for today’s laugh, well done!
Glad to see you came out of your mom’s basement sport! LOL
Rememeber where Za Dom Spremni came from and why.
Yes they practice their love so much by causing rape epidemics in Europe.Read the Koran you might learn something.
You can pick and choose what you like to justify your hate.
I work with probably half our staff being Muslim, from a headcount of 50 people. Their version of Islam is peace, love and tolerance. That is the part you people don’t seem to understand through your ignorance. We have good debates between Catholicism and Islam, but in the end we can walk away respectful of each other and our respective faiths.
You idiots see the extremists as the rule; I see them as the outlier.
In the Middle Ages during the reformation, how do you think non-believers viewed the Catholic church?
My answer to Ziva’s question above is NO. Every Croatian at that wedding answers YES.
Islam also believes that the doctrine of the Catholic Church on the Trinity is blasphemous.
So the question I asked Sude Mi yesterday has been answered!
Which brings me to that wedding, looks like bride and groom are gonna try show everyone that a house divided against itself can stand! In faith they’re divided, so for this marriage to stand the Catholic party will eventually become an apostate. Did anyone else find that wedding story sad?
“Sude Mi says:
So according to you I can’t read an article and make a comment on it simply because I don’t know the author? ”
Sorry champ, but you are quoting people who actually have a history of supporting Islamist organisation. So what you are doing is actually embarrassing yourself.
“unfortunately, this topic is extremely sensitive and I think we all have our experiences.”
Its not extremely sensitive at all. Islam should be examined and criticised for its culture and the terrorism it breeds. How to you expect to learn, understand and combat it if people aren’t willing to have honest discussions about it. People like Sude Mi deliberately shut that down by diverting the discussion ‘oh poor Muslims’. Yeah never mind the people dead on paris streets, lets think about it hurts the feelings of Islam. Its disgusting.
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/video-soccer-fans-chant-allahu-akbar-paris-tribute-article-1.2438142
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=icXJH6WYkOE
Watch how Muslims really feel in France’s. Scum
How about this Mahdi character. I just figured out Islam is supposed to be treated like a comedy, that is some of the funniest shit I’ve read in a long time! Also false prophet Mohammed doesn’t make an appearance in the end days, which I also found hilarious! Jesus makes an appearance, Mohammed NO. You can see why false prophet Mohammed had to force people to convert to his man made religion, and there’s your similarity to protestantism and Islam.
Fuck Muslims
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eSzZcVDK2WM
You can’t be called a racist if you hate Islam. I know two Syrians, one is Catholic the other is Muslim. I hate Islam, how does that make me racist?
3-1 good guys
what happened to the Cro v Russia game? wasnt that today?
@Slavonac from Canada
You surprised?
Does it make any sense for Europe to import millions of illiterate and bigoted Muslims? Place them on welfare where their men take more than one wife and have 20 kids in their lifetime and then expect Europeans to pay for all of this? What will Europe look like in 20 years?
We owe these people nothing. Let them go to their brothers in Saudi Arabia.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/europe/germany-netherlands-soccer-canceled/index.html
WOW!!!
Ah but polls have been done of the Muslim community and many agree with what the Jihadists are doing. They exist because their culture tolerates it. The more time we waste debating the more lives that will be lost.
…so now we have 2 games cancelled due to security threat (Spain v Belgium and Germany v Netherlands).
Is this what our future is gonna look like?
I agree with that!
I understand the world is full of extremes….my fundamental point is that most people tend to generalize unfortunately….today a Muslim woman was beaten by two men in Toronto while waiting to pick up her child from school….do I know it was reprisals for the Paris attack? Not at all, but I can guess and this saddens me.
I’m fully in support of the western world going into Syria et al and liquidating those that participate in this evil. Full stop.
Punish the evil, recognize the good.
unfortunately, this topic is extremely sensitive and I think we all have our experiences.
Sude Mi, you mentioned you went to that wedding…I lived with Muslims in Mostar, most of them in those days drank alcohol, ate pork and barely ever if even ever did I see anyone use the word Allah or talk about religion…that started once the war started.
those Muslims in BiH are nothing like those in Egypt, Saudi, Lebanon, Syria…and if we break it down, most of the Muslims in the countries I’ve named are pretty relaxed, intelligent and usually successful once they move to the West, but in other cases, its not like that…and thats the truth.
every one of us knows a very devout Catholic, a very devout Christian, people that totally dedicate their entire lives and live them the way their church tells them they should, well, its the same with some of these extreme Muslims and they are nothing like the Bosanac in Sarajevo or Mostar…they are extreme in the violent way…it takes one to cause damage, but there are many more…and this is a BIG problem.
Agreed.
I’ve agreed with lots in my life from people I didn’t like and vice versa….discern between the message and the messenger I say.
we can all make comments, doesn’t mean they are always valid!
I know little about the NFL and usually don’t comment but if I did, how relevant would my comment be?
So according to you I can’t read an article and make a comment on it simply because I don’t know the author?
Really?
Wow, so much for your lesson on how a democratic society works….in your world that premise must be reserved only for those who you share an opinion with….LOL
You don’t even know who he is or his background. so you aren’t even remotely informed to comment. He is the Australian version of Cenk Uygur.
His message and hers is typical political correct rubbish that is spouted by the regressive left to censor debate and curtail freedom of speech. The doctrine and theology of Islam should be openly discussed, debated and criticised. Islam is not above reproach, nothing should be. That’s how a democratic society works. But people like Waleed don’t want that discussion to take place, they rather scream racist whenever someone has an honest discussion about Islam. Lets just sweep it all under the rug, because its everyone else’s fault and not islams.
Right, you bashed it based on your view of him….the message remains valid in spite of what you may or may not think of him and her.
Sude Mi, that quote is from Susan Carland who is Waleed Aly’s wife.
@MelbCro
If you actually read the piece you would know he didn’t provide the quote I referenced….
You know who else was a middle eastern refugee? Mary and Joseph.
Iggy,
why you surprised to see me here?
Waleed Aly has a long history of being an Islamist apologist. I remember him on one occasion on his loser tv show the project criticising the Egyptian people for protesting and demanding the resignation of the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet people here are applauding him? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
Sorry, I posted above….
Lovro and Iggy bang on, last quote from above encapsulates well…
“A flourishing, pluralistic society is the last thing ISIS want to see and so, in times like this, we all have to make the choice about whether we retreat into fear and anger and blaming or whether we actively choose to come together and say we will not allow this to pull us apart because that is part of the goal. It is a political tactic that is part of their approach and we can never let those be the people who define us as individuals or as a community.”
Any hrvat who doesn’t practice the Catholic faith has to ask himself…..is that the “za dom…….spremni” lifestyle. Is it?????
@Mr. Black
I guess your inability to apply any inference to my little wedding story demonstrates what I have been saying about the mouth breathers on this site…..rock on.
Lovro, Iggy,
I’m sorry. I don’t buy that. I really do think that’s in best case only wishful thinking and in worst case a pathetic attempt to keep us calm.
Lovro u just quoted this ay
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/waleed-aly-hits-out-at-isis-over-paris-attacks-calls-them-weak/story-fn948wjf-1227611388541
What ISIS wants to do is to start WWIII by getting nations to start fighting with one another.
They want to force Muslims to be hated around the World in order to force all Muslims to have only one choice – them.
Everytime you spew hate toward Muslims – you are helping ISIS.
By themselves, they are weak. Their shelf life is actually very short. The only chance they have is to quickly divide us.
…and we are all falling for it.
Looks like you’re talking more about the carnal side of things, worldly affairs if you like, I’m talking more about the spiritual or the faith, in this respect he was not an admirer of Islam. I was just trying to show how dumb Merkel is by not following her boy Luther.
Maybe we’re both right, I can live with that.
And while there was a minute of silence before every football game, the fans of Bosnia yelled and sang during that minute. It was an absolute disgrace.
Great to see Ireland making it to Euro 2016.
Those Bosnian retards can watch the Turkey games (Turkey will be at Euro 2016). They will support Turkey, not Croatia.
The game Belgium-Spain will not be played today because the security service has reason to believe some muslim scumbags planned to another bloodbath.
In Belgium more than the half of the prison population is muslim.
But on the other hand: Sude Mi was at a wedding and those muslims seemed nice people.
Now I don’t know what to think anymore.
Kick those retards out of Europe!!!!
Martin Luther spoke positively about Islam and the Ottoman Empire on multiple occasions, as did many of his many contemporaries in the Reformation. So much so there were many instances of correspondence between Reformation leaders and the Turks, as well as political and military collaboration. These are historical facts. And at the end of day its irrelevant and is just another distraction from the real issues.
How am I back pedalling, you said he was an admirer of Islam, he clearly wasn’t.
nice job back pedalling Cekic
Have you ever read his book On war against the Turk. He did hate Catholics and Jews more then Muslims though.
“Now we have heard above what kind of man the Turk is, viz., a destroyer, enemy, and blasphemer of our Lord Jesus Christ, who instead of the Gospel and faith, sets up his shameful Mohammed and all kinds of lies, ruins all temporal government and home-life, or marriage, and, since his warfare is nothing but murder and bloodshed, is a tool of the devil himself.”
That’s from his book on war against the turk.
Before Lovro chimes in, yes I just found I spelt Mohammed wrong.
No I’m not, Martin Luther and his reformation contemporaries talked about the similarities between Protestantism and Islam all the time. they saw Islam as a potential ally in their battle against the Church.
You’re wrong on that one Melb Cro.
What on earth are you talking about Cekic? Martin Luther was an admirer of Islam.
Poor Ellwangen, why couldn’t these filthy infidels move to a more Lutheran area? Martin Luther, now there’s a man who had some interesting things to say about false prophet Muhammad. Luther called false prophet Muhammad a devil and the first born of Satan, that ugly bitch Angela Merkel is Luthern and she’s bringing in people that follow the first born of Satan, according to Luther, whose church she’s a member of. Funny stuff!
@slavonac..
im a bit surprised to see u here
Not sure this is a credible source but here’s a good read:
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/11/09/german-town-migrants-riot-in-church-steal-from-stores-defecate-on-gardens/
But the light brown man said when talking about the Catholic crusades, “many atrocities were commited during the crusades, in the name of Christ.”
In who’s name were these terrorists committing these atrocities, because reports say they were yelling someone’s name. This is about Islam, make no mistake about it.
“The light brown man is clearly a Muslim, that’s why he can’t say Islamic terrorism.”
Its more to do with the culture of political correctness that has taken root. people are afraid to discuss things openly and honestly out of fear of being attacked by the thought police.
“Obama’s plan.
Bomb the terrorists in Syria.”
Obama still harps on about taking out Assad. The idiot wants to take out the very people on the ground who are fighting Isis. You can’t make this shit up.
idk if i’d go that far hammer…
Obama’s plan.
Bomb the terrorists in Syria.
Talk negatively about the Catholic crusades of which he clearly knows nothing about.
Unsuspecting Christian countries will ACCEPT muslim “refugees” believing they’re helping these poor people.
Islam spreads through Europe, the very thing the Catholic crusades were trying to stop.
The light brown man is clearly a Muslim, that’s why he can’t say Islamic terrorism.
I understnad poglavnik in this regard:
im also not religious – or not really
but that being said, i understand the important role religion plays in everyday life for many ppl
now, that is fine, but there is something wrong with saying all religions are equal and we cannot talk against any, regardless of how different they are
seems crazy
if one religion says a woman who doesnt obey her husband should have her head chopped off and none of the others do, surely we can condemn that?
i mean im happy for buddhists to surround me, not so sure about muslims
i certainly dont want many muslims around my cali g/f in case she wears too little clothes for them not to deem too injurious or blasphemous to their religion and have to “take action”
i definitely dont want to live in that molenbeek area or whatever it’s called the belgian cro mentioned earlier in this thread
@Poglavnik
So Catholics having clouded minds is supposed to be a compliment?
You have a clouded mind, no offense.
@Slavonac, no not all of course, just making light of the situation
the big Q about what she said is 15 – 25 % of muslims are radicals
if that were true i assume there would be daily war along the Cro BiH border etc
that so obviously can’t be right
yes, some are radicals but it isn’t the 25% she went on about in that crowd of rednecks
let’s be realistic
u been reading too much Russia Today MelbCro
Which, btw i agree with haha
Bombing of Syria is not even remotely the issue in terms of Western culpability. Western culpability comes from deliberately destabilising the Assad regime, and backing the so called ‘rebels’. America in particular has basically supported ISIS in getting to the position that its in now. but having said that ISIS existed long before this and was also gaining traction before this. The reality is a lot more complex than your simple reading of it.
You yourself Iggy said the current crisis in Europe that we can’t have “current hundreds of thousands of ppl marching thru europe like an army”. But that’s exactly what we do have. The only way to combat that is to close borders and not allow people to enter. Its impossible to weed out the bad elements from such a mass of people. And lets not forget the vast majority of these people aren’t from Syria and are not even refugees.
Iggy,
Is that all you got from the video?
@Keep Croatia White
i have a q for u
since u insist on that username
if u had to choose, would u prefer 100,000 white muslims relocate to Hrvatska or 100,000 black catholics?
Cos im confused with u atm
actually that woman in that vid slavonac is incorrect cos she reckons 19 arab hijackers brought down the twin towers and i think we all know that can’t be correct
it was SO OBVIOUSLY an inside job it’s not funny
If it weren’t for anti-white immigration and FORCED integration policies in White countries, there wouldn’t be any terrorism in White countries. And therefore no need to start wars in the middle east either. Yet nobody but me says this b/c you’re infinitely more afraid of being called a racist then having your family blown to pieces. You know it’s true, not ONE person in France or any White country will call for SANE Eurocentric immigration policies that will GOD FORBID! preserve White founded nations for White children.
@MelbCro
“Iggy it shouldn’t be the responsibility of Europe to spend money on looking after people from the Muslim world. it should be the responsibility of the wealthy Gulf states.”
I MIGHT agree with u except that (as the west) we are bombing syria. Ppl are fleeing war in syria. I think it does then make it our responsibility to help.
If we just butted out of these things, it may be diff
and then there’s another Q – which is even tho it might not be our responsibility, shouldnt we help anyway because we can ?
Ever heard the saying there but for the grace of god go i ?
So are Croatians that need to be told “cekic” means hammer.
I’m not hear to pick fights with Catholics. I know the majority here are religious but reading some of this shit just makes me sad for the world.
Might as well be talking about who would win in a fight between Wolverine and Colossus.
I come hear for sports but can’t help chiming in sometimes…
Bobby V , who cares about the call…the mujos are out! That is all that matters!!! Those pigs celebrated when turkey beat us in euro 2008…fuck them!
Slavonac, I love her…
@Poglavnik
2000 year old fiction? At one point it was a 900 year old “fiction.” Kralj Tomislav was a Roman Catholic and I would never say that he had a clouded mind.
Breaking news, Poglavnik says King Tomislav had a clouded mind! You are a funny fuck!
I’ll never condemn our Croatian ancestors.
These modern Croatians are a real problem, oh well, what can you do.
Iggy it shouldn’t be the responsibility of Europe to spend money on looking after people from the Muslim world. it should be the responsibility of the wealthy Gulf states.
Watch this video, this lady pretty much sums things up very well:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
@ Cekic grammar – grammer is what I call my Baba when I come home drunk.
Eh, Jebi ga. Just keep writing.
i dont disagree really
i still think we should be compassionate to refugees tho.. of course isis are gonna send cunts in amongst them, they’d be crazy not to really..
we need to devise a way to help them that doesnt involve the current hundreds of thousands of ppl marching thru europe like an army.. i’d be happy for countries to invest more money to create somewhere for them safe and sound closer to where they are coming from tbh
money should be no issue.. we can afford to help and id be happy to pay more… but u simply cannot have the world populaiton moving the way it is now.. i mean imagine how suckful it is for scandinavian countries?
and i think it’s not just irony france ws playing germany when they tried to bomb the stade de france.. germany i think will have issues in the future with the sheer volume of ppl they are taking
its a great sentiment, sure, but i am coming round to the idea it is not practical or fair on ur existing citizenry
@ Slavonac
I get what you are saying. That’s one of the things that I’ve found disgusting in the wake of the attacks. People are dead in the streets, yet the Muslims take it as an opportunity to make it about themselves and play the victim card. And the fucking left jumps on this as well, with the bullshit fake tears as they preach their political correctness ideology. No shame at all from these people
@ Iggy
“maybe 99% of muslims dont follow it so wholeheartedly but it is what it is ”
But that 99% does empower the Islamists through their silence. They are happy to protest when someone draw a cartoon of the prophet, but when people are murdered they are quiet as hell. The reality is that when it comes right down to it they are agree with much of what the Islamists are doing. Why? Because Islam is incompatible with a moderate viewpoint. That’s why Islam is so dangerous, not because of a small minority of Jihadist but because their beliefs resonate with the majority of Sunni Islam.
Not sure why my comment wasn’t clear. Those Bosanci clearly disrespected all of those in Paris and deflected the attention to their Muslim brothers in another part at the world.
MelbCro
I meant the Bosanci.
They disrespected the moment of silence only to start yelling Palestina…that was my point.
@Melb Cro:
Well said.
why are u calling zizek a traitor? i read the whole article and he is suggesting we should set up areas and militarise camps closer to the ME for the refugees. seems reasonable. he also said there are real aspects of islam that dont compute with the west..
i didnt know boko haram roughly translates to no educaiton for women – but apparently it does.. why would u make a terrorist group kidnapping women and denouncing education for them as their primary ideal? Because, as he says, they see equality for women as an imperialist force and so it needs to be squashed
in that way, there are things that just dont compute with hardcore islam and the west. maybe most can tolerate each other, yes, and 99% of muslims are no problem
but it would also be naive to pretend that the terrorists are just psychos – or as malcolm turnbull said – godless. they are definitely following their religion, let’s call a spade a spade here
maybe 99% of muslims dont follow it so wholeheartedly but it is what it is
i think we should insist on being moral imperialists when it comes to things like liberty, treatment of women or gays (altho i know a lot of ppl on this site hate gays too) etc.
keep in mind the kingdom of saud is the biggest muslim country and they happily behead ppl, throw gays off buildings and stone women to death while they are buried in dirt
and the west is happy to maintain mateship with the saudis, france included
maybe we should call out that bullshit more.. its fucking barbaric
everyone defending islam compares it to the crusades
well fucking newsflash, it isnt th emiddle ages any more fellas.. if u are saying islam today and christianity hundreds of years ago are about equal, well, i rest my case
“That video demonstrates a lack of compassion for those in Paris so they can somehow justify their Islamism in Gaza and the war between them and Israel!”
To be far Isis isn’t in direct conflict with Israel. They are however is direct conflict with HAMAS in the Gaza Strip. Hamas hate Isis.
Sudi me question other people about what they know about Islam, yet his only contribution to understanding Islam is ‘oh I was at a wedding with a Bosnian Muslim’. What an intellect! Islam is an aggressive religion, it is a political religion. Its very nature is to impose itself and to govern, that is part of the fabric of the faith. It is completely incompatible with Western Culture, especially Islam when its mixed with cultural practices of people like the Arabs. This isn”t racism, these are facts. And calling it bigotry is a deceitful way of shutting down freedom of speech, by creating a climate of political correctness where debate and discussion are not allowed. These are tactics of the regressive left, the social justice warriors, who are inherently totalitarian in their views.
Stop believing in 2000 year old fiction and brush up on some science!
I don’t waste my time trying to change people’s beliefs.
I’m somewhat spiritual but do I believe in any organized religions?
Fuck no!
If people weren’t so insecure about the afterlife this world would be lot better.
@Poglavnik
So what have you got to say to all the Croatians who did their Pricest and Krisma and let it completely cloud their minds?
@Poglavnik
Who’s the non believer you were talking about?
That video demonstrates a lack of compassion for those in Paris so they can somehow justify their Islamism in Gaza and the war between them and Israel!
Pretty shitty taste of you ask me. No compassion for the innocent that died so they can somehow direct attention to their Muslim brothers.
I heard when 9/11 happened, Muslims in many countries rejoiced!
@Lovro
That’s my first mistake I’ve made on this site. Seems like you knew what I meant. You just wanted to take the opportunity to call me a fucking idiot? You problem isn’t with my grammer, it’s with something else I said, you do know that don’t ya?
@Cekic
I did my Pricest and my Krizma and thankfully it didn’t completely cloud my mind.
Keep reading your fantasy books.
And don’t forget to put out the milk and cookies for Santa!
@Thomas Paine
You talking about the condemned world or the reconciled world?
Sorry if its already been posted, but if it hasnt, check this out:
http://www.vecernji.hr/nogomet/skandal-u-dublinu-navijaci-bih-prekinuli-minutu-sutnje-za-pariske-zrtve-1038000
@Poglavnik
Me and Sude Mi are both Catholics, what are you talking about?
Keep going to those remedial reading classes.
@Cekic – Would you never except or accept thanks from someone calling themselves Thomas Paine?
Fucking idiot. You’re the one with the low intellect. Can’t blame spellcheck on that one.
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
More Christ-like than you Cekic.
@ faux cro
I don’t disagree with your second last sentence. Process…accept the best, reject the west – have a thorough review procedd….
Wow!
Someone that’s religious saying a non believer has low intellect.
That takes the cake for me.
I would never except thanks from someone calling themselves Thomas Paine.
I understand a little bit more about Sude Mi now, he lives in the grey area when it comes to religion.
Nobody is saying all Muslims are bad, but let’s assume 10-25% support jihad.
That is hundreds of millions who believe that they can and should destroy Western Christian and secular society.
@Sude Mi:
I too have had pleasant interactions and working relationships with secular and more religious Bosnians.
I also try to give every individual the benefit of the doubt.
That does not mean that Europe should absorb limitless quantities of un vetted immigrants to appease the PC Multicultural powers that be.
Have you ever read the Koran? It is a far cry from the Gospel of Our Lord.
@Sude Mi
Do you know who Thomas Paine is?
Thanks.
Sude Mi To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
I appreciate your humanity brate.
Love the religious talk to explain actions. Did you kill everyone that was working this past sunday?
Here are some facts (you know shit that doesn’t involve imaginary beings):
1)Terrorists have come through with refugees, which means it has become a security issue.
2)The US and Russia have been fighting each other in Syria using various factions within Syria (like a game of chess).
3)Russia and US are responsible for the Syrian refugee crisis (they created the situation and are fighting another cold war), yet Europeans are being shunned for nothing being humane and allowing the refugees to enter their country.
4) Those that are uniting for France and welcoming in refugees are pretending that all lives have the same value (I say this in an objective context not as my own view). If this were true (that all lives were equal) there would be more support for the other various attacks that have been happening.
5) Global policy is creating terrorists and looking for “friendly” countries to absorb the mess.
6) Any country that does not adopt a liberal policy is shunned and looked down upon.
7) The European Union has made it harder for average citizens to cross the border than refugees (I have been detained while traveling with a croatian passport through various countries in the EU(which mind you they claimed there would be minimal checks once in union).
I view the right (conservative) as the brain, and the left (liberal) as the heart. If you stick to only using one you are fucked. You use only your heart and you will get swindled. If you only use your brain then you distance yourself from humanity. When the two function simultaneously you come up with policies that make sense.
Sude Mi,
There’s a massive difference in the BiH Muslims and those hard core from the Midfle East. Let’s say 95% from the Mid-East are similar to those from BiH but the 5% radicals are absolutely hard-core!
Your university or parents or church can’t teach you about them because they’ve most likely never experienced them.
Yeah I agree we can’t paint all with the same brush but this current situation is not an easy one and as we can see, Islamic fanatics are in the rise.
You still haven’t told me what you know about Islam….
@Sude Mi
You have a low intellect. An intelligent person would argue against my comment. How many ignorant Croatians were at that wedding?
Zizek is all for pouring the middle east and the rest of the 3rd world into White countries, he just INSISTS that muslims convert from the religion of Islam to the religion of political correctness. Say what you want about Islam, but the purpose of Islam is NOT to destroy our race, the White race. The #1 purpose of political correctness, the reason this religion exists, is to destroy our race, to “assimilate”, interbreed our race out of existence. This is no “conspiracy”, it’s no secret, it’s as blatant as it gets.
Guess the Irish won’t be complaining about a bullshit handball call this time around – as they did with Thierry Henry in 2009. Horrible decision by the referee -ruined the game.
Nope, I never said BIH was better than Cro……..what I did say, if you will recall, is that BIH would finish higher in the FIFA rankings after the World Cup. I was wrong but I didn’t miss by much. I think I was off by a few spots, so it’s not like I was totally off base.
So, again, I never said they were better than us. I thought they would get out of their group at the WC and that we would not. I was close, but not close enough.
Cekic, you’re genius. LOL
You idiots never cease to amaze.
Sude MI you should hook up with ivan from Paris!
@Sude Mi
I can tell you this, Jesus Christ is God and Muslims don’t believe he is, therefore they don’t believe in God. Now this Bosnian Muslim can’t fulfill God’s law because he doesn’t love God, so how can he love his wife like he loves himself when he doesn’t even fulfill the first commandment? Also any children born of such a union are deemed illegitimate, according to the Fourth Lateren Council.
Pope Francis: “Who am I to judge?”
YOUR THE FRIGGIN POPE!
You absolute moron cowards are so brainwashed you’ve lost your natural instinct of self preservation, as long as a bunch of negros, orientals and half breeds carry on European/White culture, it doesn’t matter if the people who created that culture exist in the future. That’s your “anti-racist” marxist UNNATURAL retarded world view – like that walking talking shitbag “philosopher” Zizek who has no loyalty to his own PEOPLE; his loyalty is to a bunch of words, he’s a wordist. Again, anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
@Ziva Istina
What I meant was, that’s possibly 23 Islamic terrorists that won’t be in France.
@Cekic
You are allowed to do whatever the fuck you want to do, hate whomever you want and I have the right to call you out on it.
Here is my question: what exactly do you know about Islam?
Here’s a little story. I was at a wedding Saturday between a Bosnian Muslim and a Croatian Catholic. It was interesting to say the least….a civil service and the groom’s brother refused to come to the reception as alchohol was being served. No before meals prayers which clearly was beyond my sensibilities as I thought they should have had both religions represented in Grace before meals. First time I’d been to such an event. My take on the Muslim half? Very nice people, very respectful, easy going and everyone got along fine….all the Bosniak music got to me at some point but jebi ga I had a good meal and a good amount of drinks to top it off.
Based on what my parents taught me, what I learned in Catholic Catechism, based on my university education and the multi-ethnic nature of where I live I have been taught to view each and every person as an individual created by God and it is up to them to show me they don’t deserve my respect. As Pope Francis recently commented when asked about homosexual’s in the church….who am I to judge?
Indeed, who are you to judge Cekic when you no doubt know very little about Islam?
The video with Dzeko was pretty funny!
And yeah that guy is right u really were on the BiH bandwagon for a while there ziva.. what was up with that ya kinky fag?
Did Kolinda call it terrorism, or Islamic terrorism?
Croatia was one of the very first countries to announce they would join the US in bombing in recent months and years too iirc
@Elvis
Croatia is a target because that moronic president opened her jabba mouth and said that we would fight terrorism. That they need to watch out for us. Well guess what happens when you call out people?
remember when zivi was saying bih was a better team than croatia and would be top ten,,,,,,, too funny
Baš mi je drago da su Irci izabacili yugo-turci.
Džeko opet izdao Bosnu
http://youtu.be/OS-cGyiBIpw
Lol @ glupi I nekulturni bosanci !!!
This is interesting from Zizek:
(For those of u unawares, Zizek is today’s pop philosopher and is Slovenian)
Another taboo we must address concerns norms and rules. It is a fact that most of the refugees come from a culture that is incompatible with Western European notions of human rights. Tolerance as a solution (mutual respect of each other’s sensitivities) obviously doesn’t work: fundamentalist Muslims find it impossible to bear our blasphemous images and reckless humor, which we consider a part of our freedoms. Western liberals, likewise, find it impossible to bear many practices of Muslim culture.
In short, things explode when members of a religious community consider the very way of life of another community as blasphemous or injurious, whether or not it constitutes a direct attack on their religion. This is the case when Muslim extremists attack gays and lesbians in the Netherlands and Germany, and it is the case when traditional French citizens view a woman covered by a burka as an attack on their French identity, which is exactly why they find it impossible to remain silent when they encounter a covered woman in their midst.
full article:
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18605/breaking-the-taboos-in-the-wake-of-paris-attacks-the-left-must-embrace-its
@Cekic………while none of us really care for BiH, them being eliminated is not a good thing or a bad thing terrorism related. These fuckers who are blowing themselves up don’t care if BiH is in it or if Germany is in it. All they want to do is damage.
Bosnia going out is a good thing for the tournament in France.
im a leftie as ive said on here many times before
but i dont think that will still equate with believing in open borders or anything like that.. im a leftie re finances, the rich should pay more tax, society should be more equal, quite apart from immigraiton ideas
in fact its interesting i was watching some swedish news and they had a political party saying that need to actually curtail the mass immigration in order to protect their very welfare state because it was becoming overburdened so u had this kinda situation where the very left-wing principles of sufficient welfare and an equal society were being damaged by uncontrolled migraiton
i think there’s something in that
and i must admit as i get older my tolerance for stupid ideas is diminishing
i mean.. i remember when i was a kid, my dad telling me muslims thought if u die a martyr u get 72 virgins in paradise and i thought to myself that can’t be right.. that must be something he heard on some right wing radio show ..
but of course it is right.. hard to believe that ppl still believe stuff like that in this day and age..
and to some degree i think we should mock stupidity wherever it is, even if it’s within religion, especially when it’s dangerous stupidity
@Sude Mi
Am I not aloud to hate Islam?
adios bosnia
well whoever was talking about mayweather, no, no he didnt keep his mouth shut
but why u would like him i have nfi.. that guy is like the biggest tool in the world so fuck him anyways.;. regardless of what u think of rousey. floyd is an A grade cuntrash
nice to see ireland winning comfortably enough
@Cekic
Thanks for proving my point….
Go Irish!
People shitting themselves are exactly what the terrorists want.
You’ve got wimps like David Luiz who have publicly stated they don’t want to return from Brazil to Paris.
Like Brazil is some safe haven from crime.
All this fear mongering is what they want.
I wish I could open up the news and read about that gold digging severina bitch or mamic getting shot or blown up, that would be cool, bulet to the head or grenade, either way would be fine.
Islam is a religion not a race. I hate Islam.
You’re the only one I know whose rants are accurate…you are safe Ziva! I find it funny everyone doesn’t see through your contrarian point of view and just roll with it…
P.S. Everyone should be alert and wary, terrorism is alive and clearly operating in the world. Wipe out the terrorists wherever they are, however long it takes. Painting innocents with the same small-minded, bigoted, myopic brush as some posters on this site choose to do is the sign of a low intellect.
hey, hey, hey……in my defense I don’t spew garbage from my mom’s fortified basement. Much of what I post is actually accurate.
I do have to admit, your reply to Elvis did make me laugh. You are calling someone an internet tough guy and then you end your post with “Bring it on or STFU”………..do you not see the paradox here, internet tough guy? All in good fun.
As for Cro being a target……….I don’t take the threat too seriously. Only way I can see it playing out is if it were to take place in the summer at a tourist hot spot on the coast. We really have nothing to fear because we all know how reliable the dalmatinci would be………………..Oh wait, never mind.
You’re a retard…..
Tell you what….name the time and place and I’d like you to say FU to my face….another internet tough guy cowering in his mother’s basement spewing garbage.
Bring it on or STFU.
May I remind some of you especially Sude Mi that Croatia has been named as a target by these Muslims. They announced it last year because Croatia is a member of Nato. If an attack occurs it will be on the heads of people like Sude Mi.
@Sude Mi
F U !!!!
Now it appears that the brother of one of the Belgian suicide bombers in Paris worked at the City Hall of Molenbeek. He worked at “Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken”. This is the service that handles the files of people who apply for Belgian citizenship.
Elvis or whatever you are calling yourself today, you are a fucking moron….take your fascist bullshit to any of the many white supremacist websites that will eat up this drivel and then you can jerk off with all your skin-head, pea-brained brethren….is it any wonder the world is as screwed as it is between the fringe terrorist minority and the idiots like this piece of shit….sad.
The left has to be attacked on every front. We need to make it real uncomfortable to be a liberal leftist. Just like the Liberal Marxists who failed all over the world they needed to be treated as traitors to their nations.
There is a word in the Muslim faith, it is Al Hijra, which means taking over another country by means of immigration, infiltration, proliferation and subversion.
Iggy,
I live in Belgium and I know Molenbeek, the place where those terrorists live. It’s a disgrace. Muslims even occupy the streets to pray on. Everyone who is pro refugees in Croatia, should visit Molenbeek once.
HRT is not showing the game after all.
http://www.jutarnji.hr/nista-od-vatrenih-na-hrt-u-/1458573/
Anyone know where else the game can be viewed?
So looks like they are suggesting the terror attacks were planned in belgium and they have arrested the lead suspect (altho there are conflicting reports on that atm)
They wont hit when expected, so I’d say everyone is pretty safe. Having said that I think they will lose a lot of customers because of the fear of something going down.
Had no clueTomljanovic was boning the Aussie Greek. I guess she wants emulate Vekic in going after top 100 players on the men’s side.
Which brings us to the following question:
Who will have a more successful career:
A. Vekic on the tennis court
B. Vekic on her back (or knees)
C. ISIS members once President Trump takes care of business
D. Anyone associated with jadan, mali i nemocan hajduk
Hopefully they’re in our group!
Hungary beats Norway and qualifies for their first tournament in 30 years!
Considering how good Hungary was in the 50s (three of the top six all time NT scorers are Hungarian), it’s remarkable how badly they’ve fallen.
They’ll get smoked at the Euros though. One of the bottom teams for sure.
Ziva stop trying to pretend you don’t love this stuff. Also some idiots thought Rousey would beat Floyd in a fight. Meanwhile women can’t play five sets in tennis. Also Ziva you didn’t bring up Ajla Tomljanovic hooking up with Nick Kyrgios, I mean whats wrong with Bernard Tomic.
Aha…..some world we live in. White trash and black filth is what the world pays attention to. If it entertains the masses, all good I guess.
Rousey started the beef.
Rousey won an espy and said that she wonders how Floyd feels being beaten by a woman, referring to his domestic violence.
My favourite comment of this back and forth was Floyd saying when Rousey can make 300mil in 36secs she can call him. Rousey then starts going out with a guy (Travis Browne) that beat up his wife, says Floyd is illiterate. Now the world waits for Floyd’s reaction!
I must have missed it. What is Floyd’s beef with Rhonda?
I’m hoping Floyd Mayweather Jr is that kind of man.
Maybe Mayweather should have some class and keep his mouth shut and not (no pun intended) kick someone when they’re down. What kind of man would gloat about a woman being knocked unconscious?
I can’t find any reactions from Floyd Mayweather Jr on the Rousey loss, his comments are gonna be gold!
Thanks Ziva!
I couldn’t find it on HRT 2 or 1.
As soon as I turn on the Hungary-Norway game the 1st thing I see (on the side boards) is “No to Racism” – that absolutely IS the ultimate reason why terrorism exists in White countries. If France had a SANE immigration policies of only letting in fellow European peoples, terrorism would not exist in France, it’s that simple.
Not to mention France would be more affluent, advanced, safe, and generally a much better place for White kids to grow up in, w/ infinitely more opportunity.
UEFA are a bunch of criminals for their anti-white, pro-genocide propaganda.
Sude Mi
To make matters worse, many of them got a pension for fighting while in fact, they never spent a day defending Croatia!
I know a good number of Croatian-born men, fighting age who bailed on the homeland war and looked for “opportunity” in North America just when Croatia needed them most…and to top it off, once the fighting stopped they went back…there are cowards everywhere.
Second of all, if all these refugees are trying to get to safety, why don’t they stay somewhere safe in the middle east, why do they all come to Germany and Sweden, oh wait I think I know why BENEFITS.
First of all why would we accept all these refugees even if they are running from a war? why does Europe need coward men who flee a battle? Our ancestors, European, CROATIAN, we all fought for our FREEDOM, if we fled into the middle east we would have been tortured/jailed for not being of their culture. I say deport them back and have them fight their own wars.
@lika joey……unlikely to happen. The chances of me being blown up are about the same as:
a. Kranjcar finding success with a weight loss program
b. Colruka being disease free
c. Doper Mall Cop passing a doping test
d. diaspora hrvati learning the language (I’m looking at american hrvati)
e. Hrvati in Hrvatska getting a brain when it comes to their future via the elections
If any of that takes palce, then maybe, just maybe, a memorial service is held for me when the terrorists get me.
@Horvat…….my guess is Saan will have it as the game will be on HRT.
Does anyone know who is showing the game on Tuesday?
Looks like Saan.tv isn’t showing the game so far.
Vatrena cast is one of the biggest fools on this site. Ignorant and stupid. Not the first time he had posted nonsense.
Ziva hopefully you will get blown up and we will have a video to watch…in that case you won’t have to worry about the bets.
I have one concern. If a match at the Euros is interrupted by ISIS or some other radical islamic terrorist (I’ll say that term while Obama won’t) how will it be handled from a betting perspective.
Yes Iggy just google it. The media ignores or plays down these rapes. Beware of Merkel she wants to dump 50,000 of these illegal intruders. In Croatia.
Probably a bit late to say this, but I picked Holly Holm to win!
Yes she is.
yeah rousey got headkicked the fuck out.. amazing stuff
is she an adultress??
@Billy goat
I just watched highlights of the light brown man saying USA not at war with Islam and that Islam is a religion of peace, light brown infidel Obama knows more about Islam then the Muslims. Please tell me what’s going on here Billy. Also saw some of the leaders in America saying this is their fight but they need the help of their allies, which means more countries that can suffer terrorist attacks. FOX News is a funny show!
Rousey finally fought a proper fighter (a boxer!) that can stick and move and not some hand picked tomato can that just stands in front of her.
Beautiful!
@Jarac
Why is there a migrant crisis?
The adultress Rhonda Rousey lost, I love it!
I’ve heard that before.
*mislim
Cekic, ja mislim da neko je tebe po glavom s cekicom
You gotta take these jihadists seriously, like Travis Cloke said, “They’re pretty straight to their word; they don’t talk a lot of smoke and shadows behind the windows, and light brown man Obama should take that on board.”
Maybe the USA gotta consider another little boy and fat man, show the world the power of the USA, then when everyone sees what the USA can do no one will fuck with the USA, and the world will be a safer place because of the USA and the light brown man. The USA is the cause of these problems and the terrorists are the effects and this will go on for however long the light brown man Obama wants it to, or whoever the next leader of the free world will be. USA USA USA USA
as far as US causing this, if it wasn’t for merkel and the rest of the eu, they might not have this migrant crisis.
Also, I have no problem with dropping bombs on people who kill homosexuals, believe in killing anyone who is not there religion and even there own, stoning women to death while they’re buried in a hole. These countries are some of the most inhumane places in the world, fuck em.
People like vatrena, I can’t understand just blows my mind. I am not a rightist or leftist, I cannot understand how people can be so dumb.
The migrant crisis, yes lots of people fleeing as refugees, but…. just because your a refugee doesn’t mean you can invade countries, demand compensation, housing, food, etc, no documentation, come on who the fuck in there right mind thinks thats ok.
Now on paris subject, u got france president saying this time its war, how many dead french is it gonna take for them to do something. Member of france congress said they got around 5000 jihadis in there country, but what are they suppose to do u cant arrest them, it would take too much man power to surveilance them. Again this blows my fucking mind how about make a law and charge with treason, life in prison or death penalty or deportation. Why they feel they can’t do something to jihadis in there own country blows my mind. Another congress woman of france acknowledges that they know of many iman preaching radical muslim propaganda and its is against French law, they have yet to enforce any of the rules on them.
Here are my easy solution/recommendations
1. deport/kill/arrest all know jihadis
2. if this causes upheavals amongst other muslims they should be deported as well.
3. secure the borders
well at least one (ive heard reports of two and three also) of the attackers was registered as a refugee in Greece. This is really gonna put some political pressure on the whole migrant acceptance going on in the eurozone atm..
well, isis did say they would send jihadis in amongst the refugees.. i guess they were as good as their word sadly
Vatrena cast, not every muslim is a terrorist…but every terrorist is a Muslim!
Ivan from Paris….was praising the Muslim community in France lol….we all live together….now he is out shopping for a bullet proof vest…
@ Cekic
You are correct in saying that US bears a lot of responsibility for modern day Islamist terrorism. This goes back all the way to the late 70s when the Yanks under Jimmy Carter started backing and financing Mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan, that’s where Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were born.
Vatrena cast parroting left wing propaganda. The left is part of the problem enabling the Islamist movement. This is the same left that’s been caught in multiple lies over the refugee crisis. First the left told us that these refugees are fleeing war torn Syria, but then the UN reports come which show that only between 20 to 30% of these people are actually from Syria. Then the left tells us these are desperate people, families who are seeking a better life. Again the UN reports show that over 70% are young men. Finally we had the left laughing at people who were suggesting groups like ISIS would use the refugee crisis to smuggle operatives into Europe. Now have a look, its been found some of the perpetrators of Paris came through Greece as refugees earlier this year. Keep living in a bubble of political correctness Vatrena.
You guys realize that these migrants are trying to get away from terrorists like there? It’s the West’s fault that they didn’t screen all migrants, but it’s not the migrants fault.
Yeah let’s use the actions of a few Muslims to label all Muslims terrorists.
@Jarac
That’s a lie, my head’s not up my arse, don’t believe him people he’s lying.
USA created this problem many years ago. They create the problem so they can fix the problem, and then we can all cheer USA USA USA USA!
I remember when the USA made fun of the French, but now because Hollande is a jocksniffer they like the French.
If the Nationalists parties were in charge of Europe, do you think this would of happened? Hell no
u are not wrong about wankers, i mean bankers running the world
Unlike Kings in the past, these politicians, Prime ministers, presidents so called leaders have no interest in their own people, their goal is to grab as much money as they can. They are people of finance and their pride from the country is separated.
watched that video
is there really a rape epidemic in norway? would be find to hard any news on that.. it’s true that if u say anything anti immigration u are called a nazi or racist etc but there’s nothing racist about wanting strong borders
i see tones abbott has some advice for the EU.. maybe old tones can go and fix things up ay.. just turn the boats back, done and fixed 😉
Maybe politicians should evaluate their immigration policy and how it affects future generations.
Is the US at fault for France’s immigration policy? France controls who they allow to bring in. Maybe they rethink their policy for future generations.
Where is that Croat in Paris who said the Muslims are wonderful in France?
The problem is to that the Muslims act like a herd. Many approve of the Islamists. There is no moderate Muslim.
@Ziva
I know the war on terror started with protestant George Bush,
it’s his legacy after all, and I would say it’s still going.
If you let the dogs inside the house and you get infested with fleas, I would say it’s your fault for letting the dogs in. But the jocksniffer Francois Hollande would yell at the dogs for having fleas. If you want to bring the dogs into your house you should first treat the flea problem that the dogs have.
Thanks to these leftist, politically correct panzies!
All the kings of France through ages, the kings of Germany, England, Spain and all of them, even the kings of Croatia, are probably vomitting right now in disgust at the goings on in Europe. Especially the vikings in Sweden, they are probably turning in their graves, disgusted and sick to their stomachs at what is going on with 3rd world scum migrants and immigrants taking their country over one day at a time, The Merovingians and Carolingians probably would put all the modern day politicians to the stake, impale them for crimes against common sense, decency and crimes against civilization. People need to open up their eyes and read and see the real news instead of packaged media news bits and bites brainwashing, one world communism order trash..
The scumbag muslim extremists, terrorists and deranged killers are to blame, obviously, they are being scumbag muslim extremists, terrorists and deranged killers after all, but they are not the sole criminals here. They are being themslelves according to their religious teachings, koran, and beliefs which revolt around the the koran, a scumbag can’t help being a scumbag.
But let’s not forget the other criminals in this scenario, those being the politician and probably the ignorant stupid bleeding heart traitors in the society who support mass migrations and kissy kissy muslims and migrants. They are every bit to be blamed for the way things have and are headed. It’s best to remember that, look at France 100, 50 or even 25 years ago, look at it now. It’s not difficult to see what’s going on, french political leaders and their lackeys with migrants kissy kissy views are ruining the country and other countries. I equally blame the french leaders for these events.
#Europe for Europeans.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
Watch this video
You were warned but would not listen dare you be called a racist. Muslims out of Europe now!
Solidarity with the french today.. absolutely terrible what they have gone thru in recent times.
This is what happens when ppl islam.
#6. I was against the right to carry, but man if these governments keep acting like this, I believe it is the citizens right to protect themselves if the government can’t.
1. Cekic, get ur head out of ur ass these people don’t belong on this planet in this day and age.
2. This is Frances fault for being a bunch of dumb fucking liberal pussies. Letting terrorists flood there country.
3. France should pay retributions to all victims and families, because I will guarantee the knew about every single one of these fuckers and waited to do nothing. If you got a fucking terrorist list out there why do u let them stay in your country, makes no fucking sense
4. The migrant crisis got alot more interesting
5. Any of you who think the west and US is at fault you are part of the problem. These people are animals and want to cut your head off.
They apparently arrested a Crnogorac at the German border with a bunch of machine guns in his car apparently on his way to Paris.
They say he was a ‘Montenegrin national’ so who knows what his ethnicity/religion was.
@ziva
Wrong. France has the largest # of Muslims and by far the biggest problem compared to any other European country.
Didn’t the war on “terror” begin way before Obama came to power. Now, you can blame the USA and honorable men like George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, but blaming Obama is strange (and I am not a fan of the community organizer) since the hard liners are all in agreement that he is too passive on this issue.
As for holding the event in France……..I don’t care either way. The odds of being killed by a terrorists are low. I will be at the Euros regardless of the location. It’s not just France that has a Muslim problem, it is a problem throughout Europe.
I say give it to Russia with one caveat attached to it……you can hold the Euros, but only if you bomb the shit of Islamic State, Al Queda, and other terrorist organizations.
All this shit is America’s fault, they shouldn’t have dragged other countries into this war on terror, it would be better if these attacks were only happening in the USA. These jocksniffing presidents of Europe have a lot to answer for. I hope to see Francois Hollande take responsibility for this and apologise to the French people and tell infidel Obama to stick his condolences up his skinny light brown arse.
I agree, there is no way to guarantee 100% safety. The enemy could be lurking anywhere. All it takes is for them to succeed one time.
Somebody call Gotovina 😉