Dinamo falls into a tough group featuring five-time European champions, Bayern Munich; winners of 13 English titles, Arsenal FC; and current Greek champions, FC Olympiacos.
Dinamo faced Arsenal in the 2006 Champions League campaign and fought for a respectable 2-1 loss in London but ultimately allowed Arsenal to score five total goals in both legs against the London club.
But every match is going to be tougher than the last one. Dinamo will have rely on their youngsters to shine and their veterans to guide the ship if they don’t want to shame their name in Europe.
The first match will be played on Sept. 15/16 with the return leg to be played on Sept. 29/30 against a team to be announced soon.
Dinamo’s best hope is to take points from Olympiacos and perhaps Arsenal to end their group stage run in third place, which will automatically send them to the round of 32 of the Europa League. But this is a feat easier said than done.
Either way, the Modri have their work cut out for them.
@sudi mi
I doubt it is “fan boys”. Seems you have taken this personally and Slavonac has gotten the better of you.
Does this me I am so fan boy? Not at all. I could card less who prevails here.
What garbage? A healthy debate degenerated by both sides into name calling…man Slavonac has a lot of fan boys.
@sudi mi
Dude get a life, you got some issues.
Enough of your garbage.
Slavonac & TP
Meni je dosadilo vec prije par dana, ali moral sam zavrsit razgovor…carry on.
Ok then let me try engage people.
How many of you guys on this site are mutts?
Pathetic question?
Nope. If people respond, not pathetic. The guys who run this site ask me to increase engagement. And that is what I do.
A year of my salary in my 70’s, for sure!
That’s a pathetic question by Ziva.
Yeah i basically concur with Maminjo above on that. Money to win the WC? Yeah for sure, no worries. The other stuff is way too far tho.
@ Ziva
I would give up a year’s salary to see Croatia win the World Cup. It may be illogical and stupid, but I don’t care. For me, it would be worth it.
However, this would only apply to the National team. Not any club teams like Dinamo or Hajduk. As for having this happen in exchange for banging the wife or gay sex act….absolutely NOT.
Money is just money, but doing an act like this would be impossible for me to do.
Tp…malo mi je dosadno!
You think I’m arrogant, I think you don’t see things from the right perspective. I think Croatian soccer is in a shit show crisis and they have to try however they can to make money. Hajduk has far more attendance and they are always financially fucked, so are the rest of the teams. Dinamo has a dictator but are profitable…nothing is straight or normal over there…
It’s either me that’s arrogant or you that doesn’t understand the situation, One of us is wrong…I think it’s you because of how you describe what you’d do…playing the domestic players and stating Dinamo is no further ahead although they’ve qualified for CL when they didn’t last year.
When you combine all the issues with the league, criminals in Croatian politics and soccer and the state of the club, you cannot say start inexperienced kids and provide a professional product on the field…even yesterday Velimir Zajec pointed out the same, the kids are far too green…those were his words.
@slavonac
Why do you bother with these idiots? They don’t understand.
I didn’t laugh at the training at all, I mock your arrogance.
Dude, this topic started when I said Dinamo has achieved their goal when they qualified…they cannot and should not be expected to do anything more than that. The league and players are not at the level of their opponents.
From a soccer perspective, I am certain I am right while you then brought up you’d play domestic players and that they’ve gone backwards (Dinamo).
That league and those players cannot compete, end of story. If you play with domestic players, you go nowhere, if you buy players, you’re limited to who will play in that league, you end up getting the better players from shitty leagues.
You then rambled on about me thinking I’m God…when I’m simply saying you can’t have your cake and eat it. You either go for it and try to be the best of the worse, qualify and make money or you end up like the rest of Croatian soccer and have little chance at building.
I never played in HNL, I played during the mid 80’s. I don’t think I’m Gods gift but there’s a big difference from European soccer vs North American soccer. The fact that you laugh about the different types of training and coaches they utilize explains a lot to me. If you haven’t been exposed to it, you don’t get it…simple as that.
@Ante
Sorry your opinions on those sports would be completely inconsequential so I say don’t bother….
@Ante
I think this site needs to introduce gradiated membership based on your professional expertise on a subject before one can respond too bad Slavonac would then be talking to only himself, being mentioned in Sportske Novisti woukd put him in Gold category for soccer.
Sude Mi,
Shame on you for having a football physique and making money off your talents like that. Now, since you played semi professional, am I still allowed to comment on it and my Chicago Bears…or since I only played in high school, does that my comments less valid? The same applies to boxing and martial arts.
Yeah….High level at Toronto Croatia….then off to football…nice one champ!
Lol @ ZDS gene.. that’s awesome
On those trade-offs for winning, i personally don’t see why anyone cares so much about club football. Especially people who aren’t even from those countries.
Ie, i have friends (Aussies) who are rusted on supporters of Arsenal or Tottenham etc. I simply do not understand that – why? They’ve never been there. They aren’t pommy bastards. Why do they care so much about some English club, when generally we want pommy wankers to crash and burn.
Never made sense to me. Now, as for Cro winning a wc or a euro – now that _would_ be a massive fucking deal and i’d trade a few things for that. Definitely not the wife-fucking or blow job one. Should’ve known it would come down to something gay or crude with you, Ziva
😉
Slavonac thanks for confirmibg once again you’re an arrogant sob.
Heres’s one for you, bet you i got paid more semi-pro with lowly TC than you did plaibg second division in the HNL, when you actually did get paid…
@ Slavonac
Are we losing you to the dark side of the force ?
Is the ego gripping you as you write these posts.
I appreciate how the hrvat within can make us open a can of whip ass when the ZDS gene kicks in.
But please honor the essence of the site to unite Croatian fans around the world.
Uvijek vjerni .
Side Mi…Toronto Croatia is high level?
Wow…I’d love it for you to tell someone from Croatia that you played a high level…with a team almost any Hrvat can play on, then change from soccer to football…you must have been awesome! A soccer player built like a football player….
I’m talking to a guy that considers himself special….you sure are special!
High level doesn’t include being coached by someone’s dad that played at picnic tournaments…
I had a good laugh and now realize who I’m talking to, a real good athlete in PE that thinks participation means accomplishment!
Well done Ante, well done….otherwise, you’re right how would we ever know what we are really watching!?!
P.S. Anticipated responder also needs to submit resume for verification of professional credentials….anything less would be just a waste of time I suspect.
Watching Croatia-Israel right now. Sorry, let me press rewind. Before I begin…is there a professional basketball player (playing today or fifty years ago) on the site that could clarify things for us and enlighten us from the core on the real game? After all, that is the absolute and only way to look at the game. The guys on the Cro team are trying to be like Steph Curry but failing. Dribble, stop, look around and shoot in .00075234 seconds, mind you, without even looking at the basket. Bogdanovic is out but will be in the tournament. Free throws aren’t going in and every time an actual or naturalized Israeli player breathing on a Croatian player, they’re looking for a foul. Again, if there’s a professional who played the sport, your response is welcome.
Ziva,
It’s already happening with Dinamo and Croatian soccer as a whole. We’ve been being fucked for years
^No to all of the above, but I am single and unemployed 😀
Although if hajduk won CL the after-party in Split would be nuts.
True, but wearing jersey with nickname on it throws all other exceptions out the door.
By the way, had a conversation with a few people and thought I would bring this up.
A group was discussing how badly they want their favorite club or respective national team to win the CL or the Euro/World Cup. One said he would give up a year’s salary to see his club win the CL or his country to win the World Cup.
Another guy said he would let another man bang his wife it meant seeing his club win the CL or his country to win the World Cup. Same dude also said he would really consider giving another dude a blowjob.
The other hrvat in the group said he would be willing to learn the language and actuall become a real hrvat to see dinamo win the CL or Croatia to win the World Cup.
Not that it could hahppen, but these type of conversations always make me laugh. But, if you could gaurentee hajduk/dinamo winning the CL or Cro winning a Euro or WC, would you be willing to give up a year’s salary or let someone bang your girl or you give a blowjob to someone.
As crazy as he looks, at least he falls under Ziva’s catergory of “knowing the athlete personally.”
In Canada he would be just one of many crazy hockey dads!
I hope the coach stepped on his mobitel when idiot tossed it at the bench…
This is what Balic’s fathers wears during games………
http://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/smracilo-se-cacinim-ocima-balic-stariji-od-pritvora-do-gadjanja-solte-mobitelom/838674.aspx
If you are an adult and wear some sort of nickname, then you have a problem.
Big bad Hrvati always always throwing smack at the Serbs who deserve it but there is a new enemy on our doorstep.
Muslims sneak in and piss on Catholic churches, rape western women, kill, rob, and kill and 99% say stupid Commie shit like imperiliasm is to blame.
@Sude Mi
I don’t give a rats ass about Joey but what you fail to understand is that we are tied to the west and will feel the sting in lives. Our memebership in NATO has made us a stated target by the muslims so why the fuck are we allowing these shits into our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Bodulo
ever heard of scum, that is you
@Slavonac, keep up the good work, no one comes close to you on this site, a few will challenge but in the end you always beat them
Bog i Hrvati
@ Svima
As always when we have a long break between national team matches folks get cranky.
No worries as we have EuroBasket and repka matches in a week’s time.
@ Bobby V
Espn3 should be showing it if not a network channel.
Pool play in Zagreb and we have real crew with a mix of solid veterans and young studs … EPIC!
U Boj
hey Ziva, you gonna place any bets on Marin DA MAN to defend his US open title? 😉
Dinamo je FUCKED
in this group
….and Slavonac and Ante B. – prestani vise. It’s getting depressing.
Maybe Croatiansports.com can fly you guys out to Vegas and do a video of you guys partying, eating lamb, drinking rakija, gambling on games, holding hands with hookers, etc…….
With all the naegativity and skepticism here, sometimes you forget the view of some players:
Marko Rog: “Prije tri godine igrao sam 3. ligu, a sad ću igrati na Allianzu i Emiratesu!
It is foolish to cheer against another Croatian team playing in Europe – Dinamo’s success might pave the way for Hajduk or Rijeka to be the second Champions League entrant soon
Players like Coric and Pjaca might catch the eye of European teams more readily/quicker and get them into sides that can only help develop them for our national team.
Therre will be crowd trouble for the games against Olympiakos for sure. I remember the BBB torching the PAOK fans bus a few years ago.That Greek/Serb connection always comes up.
Maybe Bilic can talk to Mamic about how West Ham was able to beat Arsenal – haha.
Shouldn’t underestimate what a big game the Vatreni have against Norway.
Eurobasket should be great to watch – hope NBATV shows the games.
SLAVONAC KMOWS WHAT HE IS TALKNG ABOUT
YOU GUYS ARE MAD CAUSE HE ACTUALLY PLAYEE SOCCER PROFESSIONALY. HE WINS, YOU GUYS LOSE
So now Slavonci are not big enough Hrvati?
I’m not surprised at what level you stoop…maybe next you can insult my dead mother or father?
I won’t criticize Zagrepcani, they’re generally awesome people but of course there’s always the exceptions!
Scum? It was just a question, iirc last year he mentioned something about it, that’s all. He identifies as a Hrvat so he is a Hrvat im just breaking balls a bit, ever heard of levity?
@ziva
sort of how you must feel as pointed out above, no Croatian wife, no kids, failed business venture, must be hard considering you are the veliki hrvat on the site
Man, with the attacks coming, now I know how Hercegovci feel in ZG.
@Ante B.
let’s forget this all, long day
Slavonac knows his stuff, you know your stuff, you both are good
For the record, totally wasn’t my intention. I just said 4 C’s charm because he insults mine and I find him to be an asshole like a 4Cer and I used komsija because I heard it a lot in Slavonija.
@bodulo
you are the definition of scum
you bring up cetnik blood and associate it with somone on the site along with a smiley face, you should be ashamed of yourself, you truly are an idiot and pathetic
Dinamo or more importantly mamic will make some more good coin during the CL plus he is most likely washing some coin through his hired hands like machado who was destined to get the ass for the bird except he is valuablr to the family. I look forward to the day when i can support dinamo in intercontinental competition.
As for Hajduk previous administrations ran it into the ground to line their pockets and turning that mess around will take time but the foundations are being laid. Hajduk is surrounding itself with smart people who are giving their time out of love for the club and if they continue they can be an example for other clubs in the region. Time will tell.
4 c clover hahaha i might be wrong but did slavonac admit to having some cetnik blood? 😛
I am not the sensitive type, you seem to be. I just asked you a question. No big deal. Like I said I will leave it alone. Good chatting with you.
Me above…not sure how my comments you consider a hissy fit…too sensitive?
I played for Toronto Croatia in the mid 80’s and then Canadian college football while attending university…does that qualify me from offering an opinion on the game or should I continue to bow to the master of fizicki training and all things Hrvatski nogomet?
@Sudi Mi
Not at all. No reason to throw a hissy fit. I recall he mentioned the level he played at and some of the teamates/tournaments. His read of the game and analysis is quite impressive. When it was actually posted I don’t recall and don’t care to search for it. You made a big deal of it and I asked you what your experience was. That is all. I will leave it alone.
Ante Hr
You seem to be his chief fan boy, tell me exactly where and when Slavonac played and I’ll sharr….btw, my kids team also played in Ljubuski in 2009… big effen deal.
@Ziva
“me, bitter?????? At what? That’s the question you have to answer. Or tell Zz that he does not understand the meaning of the word bitter.
@Zz
Lol. I think you are onto something.
Germany, England, Greece, Zagreb or staying at home? Which one “komsija”?
@Zz…….me, bitter?????? At what?
Hahaha…people see right through you….
@ Ante B.
Actually if you read the posts Slavonac handed Sudi mi’s ass on a platter to him. I am still waiting to hear what teams Sudi Mi played for and league. If we throw stuff out we should back it up.
Ziva clearly your parents failed you. You have no Croatian wife, no kids, failed business venture in Croatia and bitter against any diaspora Hrvat.
Says the Bob Barker of the group. Unlike you, I’ll go see the live while you try to stay relevant here Uncle Rico. That’s a toss up…Bob Barker or Uncle Rico. Better to have a charm around my neck given to me as a gift than your four C’s clover around your former pro player who played in Ljubuski asshole mantra. Again Sude Mi already nailed it perfectly. Have fun watching the games online and thinking you know everything.
I was at the hajduk game tonight…borderline unwatchable…
Hahaha…peanut gallery, wannabe BBB fanboy just has to try and stay relevant!
Ok Ante, whatever you say!
You should take off that charm you wear and replace it with a BBB charm…fool!
I knew that’s what you meant!
As I’ve said several times, they now have a chance to do something about it, we’ll see what happens!
Slavonac if you look at all of the posts in here, you’re the biggest barker of them all so I’d relax with that shit. Sude Mi pretty much cleaned house with you.
@Slavonac……correct. I have never said the reason hajduk is in its current state is because of Mamic. hajduk dug its own grave with the leadership it has had over the last 15 years plus.
Mamic is still a cancer to the game in Cro. For the others who don’t get that, I have no clue what you see when you follow the game in Cro. I guess you have no issue with intimidation and criminilization. Probably diapsora hrvati who dont understand croatian. I get it. Your parents have failed you.
Again…….let me emphasize that Mamic is not reason for hajduk’s previous problems.
Spike from Canada, you are the big dog in the yard.
Stipe and NYC ya with me.
@ slavanoc
You always make good point. My the way, New Jersey got mad love for you!!!
Thanks guys!
It’s always easier to prove a point by backing up what you say, some of these guys say things and just aren’t credible, they don’t back up what they say and then start the onslaught of name calling and insults. I don’t usually back down and often enough they turn the tables and say I revert to name-calling as Ante did last Friday.
I’m ok with that! Ive met many like Ante in my life, they bark the loudest because they crave attention and want to be relevant!
Why do BBB get along with Gate 13 Panathinaikos supporters?
@ Slavonac
You know what your talking about. At least you played for prominent teams. I’ll take your word for it
If Delija to go, how can they get in? Will the city end up in blood?
BBB have very few friends (you would fall under this category since you’re a professional) but one of the groups they get along great with are Gate 13, the Panathanaikos supporters. Either way should be a shit show.
Ziva’s talking about the league…I think he has is saying Mamic controls things and he’s got a point…my point was about today and this game!
@slavonac
Lmfao
You see the narrative here. Now we hear the issues have been discussed and again fall back on a Mamic. Never changes with them.
I mean Mamic didn’t stop them
Dinamo didn’t stop them from beating a 12th place team tonight
the issues with hajduk have been discussed numerous times.
Dinamo is more current. They dominate a shit league because they are that much better and because Mamic has enough power to stop anyone from even coming close in case Dinamo does struggle.
hahaha…funny!
@Slavonac
If hajduk made it to champions league do you think anyone would say anything negative. No way, it would be jubilation.
Cico would die of a viskey overdose.
…and…Slovan finished 12th out of 16 teams last year. imagine what our guys would say if Dinamo lost to them? is their league as shitty as ours…that a Croatian team that finishes in 3rd loses to a Czech team that finished 12th in the Czech league….where are all the soccer pundits from this site?
So there is a time when it’s alright to be hooligans!
90% of the sports game is half mental.
NYC
I have only been somewhat of a Hajduk agitator recently, because of all the negativity I read about Dinamo…otherwise, I still cheer for them and want the best for them.
this kinda reminds me of Italians…if they get a tiny result that means something little, they explode into jubilation and chant “Hajduk Zivi Vjecno”…Hajduk perform like the minnows that they are…in front of 35,000 incredible fans and they can’t seem to drum up the extra motivation to win a massive game….and….nobody talks about the level of competition they played against while everyone noticed the cake walk Dinamo had.
convenient!
@slavonac
Further to my point above. If the role was reversed with hajduk you would see the board explode. Dinamo will be attacked negatively, win or lose.
Hajduk faithful all quiet on all their team issues; management, front office, shaded player transfers, nothing is brought up.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Hajduk to succeed but when it comes to them I am always asking where is and where did the money go?.
I brought up that Balic situation a few weeks ago……Something doesn’t add up. He is 17 and being subbed out of game. I can see a 17 yr old being subbed out for tactical reasons, but this ongoing.
Could be nothing, could be something to watch.
what I meant to say is, its acceptable vs any team that has an affiliation to Serbs!
Ante B
the other day we talked about scrapping in the stands…I mentioned it would be acceptable vs Partizan or Crvena Zvezda…I was wrong…read this one:
UTAKMICA između Olympiacosa i Dinama bit će utakmica visokog rizika. Grčki navijači u bratskim su odnosima s navijačima Crvene zvezde, a obzirom da je njihov klub miljama daleko od Lige prvaka srpski Kurir već je najavio dolazak Delija u Zagreb.
…in other news…so I read that Balic’s dad blew a gasket today and said: “Ovo je gotovo”
he then threw his cell phone towards the players bench!
Hajduk loses today, not a peep from anyone….Dinamo qualifies and everyone is talking about how many goals will be scored against them.
…then, we discuss the fact that Dinamo will make over $12 million (that Mamic will steal) which should help things out a bit more while Hajduk lost out on the chanve to pay more bills….
I’m pretty confused here guys. I think you better re-think what you want from the club level. if the media is right (which is probably wrong), Balic is frustrated with Hajduk…and the season just started. imagine Hajduk losing Balic?
balancing a team, keeping good players while staying competitive, then making sure you can pay these kids…its not an easy job!
PS…thanks Ziva, I’ve always said I think you’re a knowledgeable guy…hahaha…but that sometimes you break ball with the sarcastic comments. regardless, you do know what you’re talking about!
Nobody needs anyone to defend on this site, so I’ll let you guys battle it out.
I’ll say this, I enjoy discussing soccer with Slavonac; the tactical aspect of the game, the business of the game, and everything that is around it.
Slavonac has a real understanding about soccer and tactics. Regardless of his level of play! The man had some upper level of training.I enjoy reading your posts brother!!
@ Toni
“The new destructive wave of migration is the consequence of the imperialist politics of the West,” said Jovanovic. “Everything began in Serbia, after the destruction of Yugoslavia and NATO bombing of Serbia.
Fuck off already. You post an article that touts this garbage from Jovanovic. Ti si djubre.
Read the comments on Croatia if you dopes refuse to understand what is coming to Europe.
http://inserbia.info/today/2015/08/refugees-revenge-in-five-years-minarets-will-replace-churches-in-europe/
I will say that over time you most likely have learned the details to know what it takes to be a competitive player at your sons level, its believable.
with that said, I find it unbelievable that you would expect a very low level team to be competitive with far bigger teams. they are not competing with teams in the 4th pot, they are competing with teams in the higher 3 pots…which boast contratcs with players that are worth 10’s of millions of dollars….big difference in quality.
I completely agree with this
“Some things are universal…compete level, intensity, willingness to put in the work, team mentality, adherence to game plan (you don’t need to have played a particular sport to pick out that night’s plan and identify who is following it and who is not), defensive acumen (does he come back in his own end or circle around center?), willingness to sacrifice his body for the good of the team, etc.”
Victory to Slavonac from Kanada. Bravo Slavonac
If not obvious, I posted just above….forgot to refresh.
Rock on
if you truly believe I have the credibility to argue hockey, tennis, volleyball, football….when I’ve had no other training than the basic level…you’re wrong. I stay away from forming my opinion on those things cause I don’t know enough to understand much about what it takes to be one of those athletes…
My son plays junior hockey in Ontario, I never did. My sports were as previously stated soccer and football. I’ve watched a lot of hockey first as a youth on tv and then my son as he progressed through the ranks. I’ve learned a ton, to the point I have had a number of OHL scouts and coaches ask me my opinion on a player or players. They’ve told me they respect my opinion.
Some things are universal…compete level, intensity, willingness to put in the work, team mentality, adherence to game plan (you don’t need to have played a particular sport to pick out that night’s plan and identify who is following it and who is not), defensive acumen (does he come back in his own end or circle around center?), willingness to sacrifice his body for the good of the team, etc.
I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Jon Cooper for example, head coach of the Stanley Cup finalist Tampa Bay Lightning was a lacrosse guy (played on a scholarship at Hofstra). His highest level of hockey in BC was high school. I’m sure you’ll agree that high school hockey in Canada is just above house league. Yet he progressed to the HIGHEST level. Why? Because he worked his butt off and he became a student of the game.
Needless to say, our little back and forth has clearly run its course. No hard feelings, enjoy the CL.
“yet put down others who have their own comments and idea’s simply because you claim to have pro experience. I repeat, others have valid points of view with differing backgrounds that can add to the conversation.
put down or challenge…I stand strong saying that qualifying is the best achievement they could have expected…I was disappointed we took Sammir to the WC but knew it was a necessary evil, I hate Pranjic at this age as a left back, I think Olic was effective in his prime, I think those that criticized Olic throughout his career do NOT recognize his value….
I make my opinions and then back them up with why…you started this name-calling and I just returned the favor!
if you truly believe I have the credibility to argue hockey, tennis, volleyball, football….when I’ve had no other training than the basic level…you’re wrong. I stay away from forming my opinion on those things cause I don’t know enough to understand much about what it takes to be one of those athletes…
tell me something…do you think those are credible comments? I do, otherwise I would not have made them.
do you know how clubs operate? Yes I do actually.
they need money, right? Of course, Real professional teams have multiple sources of revenue from in-stadium ticket sales, television rights, sponsorships, player transfers, advertising, pre-season tours, etc. Dinamo? Player transfers and CL winfall.
how would you ever expect any Croatian club to be profitable if they don’t develop players, sell players, qualify for European tournaments? I never indicated they should not do all these things but you completely miss the point. How well are the majority of Croatian teams doing financially? They are life and death to survive annually.
you expect me to demonstrate humility to you while to question my experience…and then make some really questionable comments. You spout your experience without detailing it, yet put down others who have their own comments and idea’s simply because you claim to have pro experience. I repeat, others have valid points of view with differing backgrounds that can add to the conversation.
Just because I don’t share in your unbridled enthusiasm at this “accomplishment” doesn’t make me any less supportive of Croatian football in general. In this particular case, I simply don’t see how this club is any farther ahead than it was when it got smashed in 2011. The old adage about repeating the same thing and expecting a different result being the definition of lunacy hold true here.
My suggestion about playing all domestic players in the group stages was simply a jab at the fact that this club and the savez clearly have no idea how to improve things for the betterment of the Croatian player.
I truly hope Dinamo wins all their games, but based on my clearly rudimentary knowledge of the game that is not likely to happen.
@slavonac
Excellent analogy on a cfl team competing in the nfl. Brings home the point what dinamo accomplished. Well done.
hahaha…I don’t have to defend myself. People from Vancouver that read Sportske Novosti and my friends know. I was 17 when I signed, played for their second team and trained with the first…although I did play for the first team in exhibition games and a charity game in Ljubuski.
@ slavonac from Canada
Dude you are crazy. You know this is a mainly a Hajduk website and your comments will not be well received. I applaud that you back up your comments but the majority will not listen.
Still good to see these lively debates. At the end of the day put aside the sports and I wish it was a better economy back home for my family and friends.
Sude Mi,
I’ve never once here or anywhere else spoken about myself with regards to the type or quality of player I was. The reason I have ever openly mentioned my experience is because when it comes to this sport or any sport, the higher level you play, the better coaching you receive and you are then exposed to higher levels of players.
I was coached by some excellent coaches and learned the value of several aspects of the game, through them. if you compare any any level athlete vs a professional athlete, the differences aren’t only in their physical abilities, its also in their experience through knowledge…learning from those better then you…which is why I stand strong when we debate over Dinamo’s success or lack thereof.
when you make comments stating:
“is DZ really making progress”?…or your constant comment about “Personally, if it were my call I’d run out all their domestic players…if you’re going to lose, give them first hand experience playing in Munich and London against these big clubs.”
tell me something…do you think those are credible comments? do you know how clubs operate? they need money, right? how would you ever expect any Croatian club to be profitable if they don’t develop players, sell players, qualify for European tournaments? How well are the majority of Croatian teams doing financially?
you expect me to demonstrate humility to you while to question my experience…and then make some really questionable comments.
How likely would it be for a CFL team or college football team to compete with an NFL team…then make it even more interesting by adding in the fact that you will play two of the top 10 teams in the Europe or possibly the world.
I know, I know…you know what it means to compete….imagine you got your team to the big show…and your coach plays all his subs for the entire tournament…that would be acceptable to you and your team-mates…right?
A few weeks ago someone asked him and he provided detailed information. You on the other hand dance around this and are constantly picking a fight with him.
Where has Slavonac told us which teams and when?
Every time I asked he dummied up…
@sudi mi
If you played at a high level which team(s).
Slavonac has told us about his experience but you haven’t.
The only Canadian in recent memory who had even a cup of coffee in Croatia was Marko Bedenikovic, and I think it was an espresso for how quicklyly he left.
Unless of course it is Nick Dasovic who got chased out of Dinamo!
He never played for me either.
http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/velez-mostar/1988/2/
Slavonac is a fraud, he never played for me.
http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/velez-mostar/1987/2/
Reading comprehension is an important skill…
I brought up those two as examples of people that played no higher than second division football but have climbed great heights at the highest levels of coaching in the game. My point was to demonstrate, notwithstanding your arrogance that you do not have had to have played at the very highest level to understand the game. Full stop.
I indicated I played at a high level of soccer and a higher level of football. My point was that your mysterious pro background does not make you the reigning expert on this board regarding physical preparation or fizicki training, understanding tactics, learning about pressure to compete, etc. Many of the variables you cite can be gained whether you played high level tennis, baseball, hockey or a myriad of other sports that all come with their respective pressures, tactics, off-season preparation, etc.
I don’t even understand what you actually wrote in your last paragraph frankly. If you want to take another crack at it, I’ll be happy to explain.
you brought up Mourinho and Benitez stating they are great coaches and then also stating that according to my theory they’ve never played soccer at 2nd division.
are you saying their experience playing soccer wasn’t at a high level? where they went through the entire experience of preparation, learning through top quality coaches? they know how to identify, you don’t…you played American football.
thats the difference. you claim to have played at some (?) level…and yet you expect Dinamo to compete with players that play weekly are a far higher level…then you say is it progress that they make and do nothing?
I heard this joke and it kind of reminds me of this message board. Try to identify which category you fall into. Feel free to identify which category some of your fellow posters fall into:
Otac spremio novogodišnji poklon dvojici sinova.
Pesimistu je kupio električni vlak, a optimistu dao … konjsku sranje.
Kada je pesimist otvorio poklon počeo je zapomagati:
– Jao, vlak je električni, neće raditi ako nema struje.
– Ali, radi on i na baterije – kaže otac.
– Šta kad se potroše baterije, a ja se zaigrao?
– Kupit ću ti rezervne baterije – kaže otac.
– A i tračnice će se iskriviti! ….. i tako dalje i tako dalje.
– Šta si ti dobio? – pitali sina optimista.
– Ja sam dobio ponija, ali je nekud otišao.
Dude, you’re spinning in circles…learning from playing at the level where you are taught…wtf does that mean?
We all better get some real fizicki training as no-one here will be able to comprehend the unbelievable, in-depth soccer related insights you bring to the table.
Show a little more humility, you don’t know everything…far from it in fact.
“Progress means they qualify for CL one year but crash out of the group stages, then as they get better they progress to winning more games at the group stages and perhaps moving onto the knockout stages….that is progress”
all this, while utilizing domestic players…priceless! explain how these superhuman Croatian players that have never experienced playing at the highest level, all of a sudden beat teams that spend million and millions on players?
you’re a gem Sude Mi!
“Yeah I know Slavonac you are God’s gift to soccer knowledge given your previous pro playing experience (?)”
Rafa and Mourinho have played at high levels in their respective countries…all players in those countries get in depth, detailed experience starting from how to take care of yourself physically, to having physical fitness specialists train the physical part, to having technical experts train the technical part….it goes on and on…they can learn and have, the experience I talk about is the learning experience…learning from playing at the level where you are taught
Progress means they qualify for CL one year but crash out of the group stages, then as they get better they progress to winning more games at the group stages and perhaps moving onto the knockout stages….that is progress.
Right back at you, the arrogance never ceases to amaze….do you still have the clipping of your name in Sportske Novosti framed on your bedroom wall? Can you send along an autograph?
Show me where I called you a fool?
Answer the questions…even though I know you won’t.
Has DZ made progress since 2011?
Rafa Benitez and Jose Mourinho never played above second division, you know more about soccer than they do as well?
jadan, mai i nemocan hajduk living up to its name
“is DZ really making progress?”
Dinamo qualified this year…they didn’t qualify last year….they made approximately $12 million Euro’s…they also bought and sold good players…Rog was a major signing…what other team in Croatia had the money to sign him?
ask yourself if its progress?
no man…you first criticize me, basically call me a fool…..and expect me you sit back and watch your insults…
high level soccer and football? interesting combination, I could imagine how high it was.
Now we’re on to something. You’re a homer, nothing more.
I’m not a hater, I’m a realist. I go to CRO every year on vacation, spend money there, visit relatives and support various causes in Canada like Karitas that benefits the under privileged in CRO. Does that sound like hating?
You never answered the question….is DZ really making progress? Is this club any better today in spite of the CL riches than it was in 2011? Be honest.
I like that fizicki training? Talk about arrogance, like you are the only elite athlete to ever experience any of that.
Too funny.
That country is in a shambles…you only see Dinamo in a shambles!
you know what…I love soccer….I love our National Team and I love our players and wish them all success…
people like you spend more time criticizing and looking for arguments while on the other hand, the whole FUCKING league is SHIT, has been run shitty for as long as I can remember and Dinamo has been the king of shit for over 10 years…producing the best players and making money
if you think we should now circle jerk and figure out how to burn the club to the ground, you may as well burn the fucking country to the ground as well…its all the same, corruption from head to toe, east to west, inside and out
you’re just a miserable hater…
I was waiting for your diarheas about your “pro experience.” Better late than never.
I played soccer at a high level and football even higher. I’ll keep the details to myself given your reticence at shedding light on your mysterious background.
Suffice to say, have a look into the background of many of the top football managers in the world and they will not have played nearly as high a level as you claim to have played…the conclusion? They became students of the game and clearly now have way more knowledge than you do.
Get off your high horse, you don’t have all the answers.
how is Hajduk doing? tell me?
@ Slavonac
so, do you think they could have qualified with the “domestic” players? Unlikely.
do you realize that teams require revenue to operate and prosper? Fools Gold.
First off, you tell me DZ have done this little trick a number of times before, are they “prospering?” I expect you will agree they are not, in fact all things being equal they are going backwards given the brand is a shambles, there is nothing going on towards a new stadium, and I can’t comment on the pipeline that is the youth system but given how few are cracking through to the first team that is probably a very good indication.
When I say fool’s gold I mean the following…Mamaic has been able to give the middle finger to the fans for a long time BECAUSE of this fool’s gold. Who cares about the paying public when 14 million euro’s even once every two years allows him to have no fans and still continue to win the crappy domestic league.
You really want to fix it? Burn it to the ground….new progressive ownership, new management and TRANSPARENCY everywhere.
Otherwise, you will see the same thing every year…in my books, this is not progress but in fact perpetuating mediocrity.
Why on earth do people on this site pollute their minds with knowledge of Serbian soccer facilities!?!
Faaaak…
CL…Sude Mi wants to portray himself as “somewhat knowledgeable”, he even tried to throw in a jab by stating:
“Yeah I know Slavonac you are God’s gift to soccer knowledge given your previous pro playing experience (?) but believe it or not there are others out there in the universe who know a little bit about the game as well”
lets be honest here. if you were to ask any soccer player that has played at any level, they will tell you they tip their hat to Dinamo for making it to this stage the last 3 out of 5 years, its only those that know absolutely ZERO about the sport that expect them…that compete and such a low level compared to their opponents, to raise their level 300%!
Sude Mi is just rambling on like many do, its the same as watching the game with a bunch of guys that scream and say…”why didn’t he do…or why didn’t he do…” when you’ve never been exposed to the level they play but you have your opinion, which has no relevance whatsoever…you tend to do what Sude Mi has done and get defensive!
Sude Mi…for the last time. I did play at a high level…with guys you may have read about. every week my name was published in Sportske Novosti and my player rating was published…
you on the other hand have never experienced a single day of pre-season, fizicki training, you don’t know a thing about preparation, expectations, level of play, style and strategy…you see the TV and expect everyone to dribble and score….
Dinamo is not even close to the level of the rest of the teams in their group…laugh all you want. if you think its just that simple to start inexperienced kids against experienced professionals it really shows how little you know!
we see things differently…I experienced it, you watch it on TV!
Ok. Like Jerry asked. Who’s coming with me to Germany, England or Zagreb?
@lavoanc
exactly this why other teams in croatia will never make chamipons league play
so, do you think they could have qualified with the “domestic” players?
do you realize that teams require revenue to operate and prosper?
@ ZIVA
IM TYPIMG ON A IPAD. I HATE TYPIMG ON THIS. YOU MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD ME. I SAID I THINK MARAKNA IS A NICER PLACE COMPARED TO MAKSIMIR . MARAKANA HOLDS MORE PEOPLE, AND IT JUST LOOKS NICER.
I NEVER SAID MARAKANA IS MOT NICE. WHY YOU THINK I SAID IM PISSED THE SERBS HAVE A NICER LOOKING NATIONAL TEAAM STADIUM THAN CROATIA.
WHAT SUCKS ABOUT MAKSIMIR IS THAT THE FANS ARE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE FIELD. ALSO THE FIRST ROW SEATS ARE ELAVQTED, THERR ARE NO FIELD LEVEL SEATS. AND THEY ARE GAPA IN THE STADIUM. OME CORMER IS OPENED. ITS NOT ALL CONNECTED.
MARAKANA IS A CIRCLE CLOSED STADIUM
Apologies, was thinking of the game at Bernabeu lost 6-2….lost 7-1 at Maksimir to Ajax.
You’re absolutely correct, we do see things very differently….not enough space on this site for all of the suggestions I have to improve things but suffice to say backing into the group stages to have your asses handed to you is not my idea of progress…
Personally, if it were my call I’d run out all their domestic players…if you’re going to lose, give them first hand experience playing in Munich and London against these big clubs.
All the DZ foreign players are just the annual allotment of second-rate hired guns brought in to score the nice windfall for qualifying for the group stages, nothing more. The majority will be replaced next year by another group, repeated again the following year.
Where exactly is the progress under this model?
@Sude Mi
“I won’t be laughing, I’ll be embaressed for them and for Croatian football just like I was when Real Madrid smoked them in Maksimir a few years back….a sad spectacle to be sure.”
That is quite Interesting, because the final score at Maksimir was……
Real Madrid 1 Dinamo Zagreb 0
Your definition of “smoked” is quite despairingly and harmoniously incorrect.
we see things totally differently Sude Mi. Croatian teams need a far better quality league to play in, otherwise they may have a generation of players here and there that can compete…but not very often. also, I’m sure you realize that our younger kids want to leave ASAP, to ensure they make more money and with better competition…which leads us back to square one, its a vicious circle.
the more money Croatian teams make the better chance they have at developing and buying players that can help them get above the “hardly qualified’ stage and into the “being competitive” stage.
The fact that Rijeka did poorly this year affected our coefficient and we heavily rely on Hajduk to do well and some particular teams from other nations to lose out.
its not embarrassing to lose Sude Mi, not when all 3 of our opponents are ranked soo much higher.
Olympiacos is ranked 56 spots higher than us placing themselves as the number 23rd ranked team in Europe
Arsenal is ranked 72 spots higher than us placing themselves as the number 7 ranked team in Europe
Bayern Munich is ranked 77 spots higher than us…placing themselves as the number 2 ranked team in Europe
HUGE difference!
what do you mean they were smoked in Maksimir, that game in sept 2011 was 1-0 for Madrid, if Kristanovic connected better on that shot we could of been up 1-0
@ Slavonac
You know what they say when you assume….
I won’t be laughing, I’ll be embaressed for them and for Croatian football just like I was when Real Madrid smoked them in Maksimir a few years back….a sad spectacle to be sure.
News flash for everyone, every stadium is a dump in Croatia (maybe the new one in Rijeka will be different) but understand the current economic situation is more of an issue for the Croatian people.
@Stipe…….Marakana is not nice?????? What are you on. It is a concrete jungle. It is better than Maksimir, but not by much
I have pretty limited cable at my house. If it’s not on FoxSportsFL, I have to go out to a bar to watch it, and we all know what going out to a bar to watch Dinamo at 2:45 on a Tuesday afternoon means….
@Stipe – Yes, especially players from Bayern and Arsenal who play in very new state-of-the-art facilities. Though, some of them will expect that as they travel regularly through their respective countries to play. This won’t be the first time this season any of those players set foot in a sub-par venue and it won’t be the last.
@Everyone… Tough draw, eh? What do you think the chances are that Dinamo can pull a few points and finish above Olympiacos?
Sude Mi,
read my above comment…I said “I’m not embarrassed to watch Dinamo play and lose by several goals”…and that “when you look at their coefficient in Europe, they rank 79th and have qualified into the top 32 of Europe’s elite”!
the difference between you and me is this…I am satisfied they qualified, this is an achievement while you are just waiting to laugh at their losses in the hardest club tournament in Europe or possibly the world!
I’m realistic and cannot see them scoring more than a goal or 2.
BY THE WAY SORRY FOR THE MISPELLING, I HATE TYPING ON A IPAD..
WHAT PISSES ME OFF THE MOST, CRVENA ZVEZDA’S STADIIUM IS A NICE ROUND STADIUM. SRBIJA’S MARAKANA STADIUM IS BEAUTFUL STADIUM COMPARED TO OIUR DUMP. CRVENA ZVEZDA ALSO HOST THE SRPSKI NATIONAL TEAM GAMES . SOMETIMES THEY USE THE PARTIZAM GROBARI PEICE OF SHIT STADIUM WHEN THE SERBS PLAY SMALLER NATIONS.
POIMT BEIMG I AM PISSED SERBIA HAS A NICER NATIONAL STADIUM THEN CROATIA DOES
of course it is a dump……..
other stadiums offer cleans seats, wifi, HD boards, a roof, restaurants, quality fooid and beverage options. Am I missing anything???
ALSO, I BET WHWN BAYERM AMD ARAENAL COME TO MAKSIMIR STADION, THEY ARE GONNA BE LIKE ” DAMN THIS STADIUM IS A DUMP!!!!!!!!! ” ) I’m from the northern New Jersey / New York City area. Well if your not from this area, or unless your a Met or Yankee fan. Everyone always use to say, even die hard Met fans , they would say haha Shea stadium is a dump. It really was, especially compared to Yankee stadium ( the old Yankee stadium and the new Yankee stadium ) which everyone around here calla a ” Catherdral ” of baseball. That’s why the Mets tore down Shea and built very very nice Citi field stadium.
POINT BEING, YOU THINK OTHER PLAYERS FROM BIGTIME CLUBS WHO COME TO MAKSIMIR CONSIDER IT A DUMP???
This is all amazing, they made it and that is a major accomplishment.
I have no interest in Mamic one way or the other.
I’d like to see Dinamo prosper but am a realist and given the current state of affairs re domestic football in CRO, can honestly say if they score 2+ goals in the tournament it will be a massive achievement.
All you died in the wool Dinamovci can be as optimistic as you want with the sunshine shining out of your asses but if the goal differential at the end of their group games is better than -10 that will be an accomplishment.
Yeah I know Slavonac you are God’s gift to soccer knowledge given your previous pro playing experience (?) but believe it or not there are others out there in the universe who know a little bit about the game as well. Fact is that this will be fugly, admitted or not.
Enjoy.
Anything more than the group stage is a bonus for dinamo. Lets be realistic here. Even if you are a dinamo hater, getting into the group stage is an accomplishment. Even one point is a bonus for dinamo.
Anyone see the schedule of games yet.
Dinamo will not get a single point. After seeing Dianmo is drawn with Bayern Munchem, Arsenal, and Olympoacos. It’s going to be bad. We are going to lose to Arsenal and Bayern Munchem by more than 5 goals in each one. Olympoacos will be us by at least 3 goals. I know not all the players on Dimao are Croatian. I am not even a Dinamo fan. I barely keep up with HNL, but if I have to choose a team, it will be Hajduk since I’m a Dalmatinac. But Dinamo is representing the country of Croatia in this tourmemt. I don’t wamt Dinamo to get rocked 7-0 every game and get zero. In a foreigner point of view it makes the country look week. I don’t care and most Croatians don’t care because we know we have a good national tea. Now ranked 13th in the world . I know Fifa ranking don’t mean much
( I MEAM CMOM, WALES IS RANKED IN THE TOP TEN )
I know Wales has been on a hot streak, but still ya know? Wales has no track record whatsoever . But the Fifa rankings are important when it comes to the pot sendings for WC QUALIFIERS. So it’s good Croatia was ranked high enough to be in pot 1 with the big boys.
WHAT DO YOU GUSY FEEL ABOUT DINAMO’S CHANCES AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF?
just saw the draw selection, great to go up against BM and arsenal
@slavoanc
great post, you really nailed it, could not of said it better
@colin, you are correct, here in Canada it matters who they play especially if it is any English team, in that case the game is televised, if Dinamo gets one of them this will be good as we can watch it
@Colin……….doesn’t matter who they play. Every CL game is televised in the US. All of them.
I still think the Dinamo teams of the previous few years are better than this current selection. Only difference is they received a very weak playoff draw and took advantage of it. I think they will have some of that luck today and will get a decent draw. No chance they can compete for a top two spot, but a decent enough draw where some people will think they have a chance.
For the club’s financial sake, it is better they get a draw against the top teams. Plus, a schedule that doesn’t see the last game in the group phase played in ZG. Last time they were in the CL, they played the sixth game at home and hardly anyone showed up. Remember, ZG is not a sports town. They need to get Real or Barca early at home to fill that stadium.
You see the turnout for the basketball team yesterday in ZG. A few hundred fans with Eurobasket 10 days away. I know they are making a big deal that the first game is a sellout, but I wonder how many of those tickets were purchased by Slovenia fans.
if you don’t like soccer or Dinamo or could care less about watching “your team” vs a “powerhouse”…you will always say who cares, they’ll lose by 10 goals or “how many Croatians played”.
from a soccer perspective, this is awesome that Dinamo have made it to this stage and even more amazing that they will host some of Europe’s greatest teams.
I am fully aware that some of you…anti Mamic guys (not that I like him but my love for the club itself it greater than my dislike of him) can hope Dinamo fails miserably and you’ll love it and the Hajduk supporters love this more than anyone else because Dinamo’s failure is more important than Hajduk’s success…they don’t and haven’t succeeded for soo long their only joy is to see Dinamo fail!
I’m not embarrassed to watch Dinamo play and lose by several goals. when you look at their coefficient in Europe, they rank 79th and have qualified into the top 32 of Europe’s elite…slice and dice this any which way you want to, the achievement is to get to the dance, not expect to compete against teams that are 6, 7, 10 or even 15 times more expensive…I’m pretty certain that every single team in each of the top 3 pots play in far better leagues than the Croatian league….so with all this said, if you aren’t excited or at least happy for them to play with Europe’s elite club…its either because you hate Mamic more than you like the team…or you’re a Hajduk fan that enjoys Dinamo’s failures…either way, you are not looking at this from a soccer perspective…you’re looking at it from a political perspective!
You guys are actually excited about watching Dinamo lose 7-1?
Really? Masochists to the end I guess….
If they play the likes of Man Untd/Chelsea/Arsenal, Barca/Real, etc, they will at least televise every Dinamo game here in the states. That all I’m concerned about. Nothing better than going to a bar full of United fans and singing Ja Volim Dinamo to guys who probably couldn’t point Zagreb (or Manchester for that matter) out on a map.
It would be fun to have Chelsea in the group- Jose would add something to the mix and that would make reading the Croatian papers more entertaining.
But more importantly I would like to see the biggest clubs in Europe so that Maksimir is packed and loud.
Either way it’s great to be in draw and hopefully we can make more CL money with a draw or two-
Build that bank account baby!
Will lose every game anyway so may as well go against the top teams i say and lose to the best
Dinamo probably would do best against with a group consisting of:
PSV Eindoven
Bayer Leverkusen
Dynamo Kiev
Dinamo Zagreb
But in terms of fun, it would be great to see Dinamo square off against top teams from each of Germany, Spain and Italy.
I would like to see something like:
Juventus
Bayer Leverkusen
Sevilla
or maybe something like:
Bayern Munich
Valencia
Roma
I’m hoping for PSV, Porto and Lyon.