From our family to yours, we wish you all a Merry Christmas!
It’s been an amazing year where we saw Croatia come from behind in miraculous fashion versus Spain at EURO 2020, clean up at the summer Olympics in Tokyo, and qualified for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar; to name a few accomplishments.
Another fantastic year goes in the books and we couldn’t have done it without you and your countless comments and feedback.
Merry Christmas!
@LAknat
“Jesus Christ peace be upon him says (Matthew chapter 5 verse 17-18)
don’t think that I come to destroy the law of the prophets, I come not to destroy but to fulfill!”
And how did the Lord Jesus Christ teach us that we can fulfill the law?
Romans 13:9-10
For Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness: Thou shalt not covet: and if there be any other commandment, it is comprised in this word, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The love of our neighbour worketh no evil. Love therefore is the fulfilling of the law.
@LAknat ,this is an easy question, even you should be able to answer it,
Do man and woman marry for love?
We need to save ourselves from marital discord by choosing the spouse for the right reason. It doesn’t mean the most handsome person is who you should run after or the most pretty of the girls is the one whom you feel will be the best wife (Not necessarily).
You need to look for the character for conduct and for commitment to Almighty God | if there is the commitment to Almighty God <– it is known as Deen | the faith | inclination to Almighty God. If there is character and conduct you will enjoy the person's company | THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED |
Almighty God warns us –> speaks about divorce and speak about the rights of men and women because many people to do this and say this –> ” I’m the boss here, so you do exactly as I say ”
” You are a woman, you are supposed to be under me and I can tell you anything now ”
The women have rights just like the men have rights -> you need to fulfill each other’s rights. Some of them are interlinked, some of them are the same, some of them the man has more rights than women, and some of them has more rights than the man. So this is The Almighty God’s plan and says -> fulfill each other’s rights, respect each other, help each other
remember that is your spouse make like easy for them | not difficult | ..
The Almighty God then speaks about the scenario, where the marriage is broken down |Surah Al Baqarah verse 228| explains to us how divorce takes place => you only ever issue one Talaq
If you really have to divorce your wife! and thereafter you are given approximately three months to reconcile if you wish! and if you haven’t
then she can marry whom she wants and as it is your life continue, but if you have reconciled within three months |Alhamdulillah| you can take her back. And you can live once again! and then you can issue a second Talaq if you do not get along thereafter… the second Talaq -> you only have the last reconcile. Meaning the third happens -> you can’t get back to her |
The third time meaning
-> once you divorced her … you issued one talaq
and then you lived again … you didn’t get along
| everything broke down beyond repair, another Talaq went through |
it broke down again beyond repair | now a third time is she marries someone else perhaps there will be better quality in that person …
@LAknat
“But Paul is someone who (he is a saboteur) in order to disrupt Christianity or what the followers of Jesus were doing from within or was he just fooled by Satan on the road to Damascus when he thought he saw Jesus!”
You really don’t understand your own comments lol!
Satan in Hebrew means “adversary,” so why was Saul the pharisee (who became the Apostle Paul) on the road to Damascus?
What you’re suggesting is, if he wasn’t “fooled by Satan” into believing he saw Christ when he was a pharisee on the road to Damascus, he would’ve remained a pharisee and continued to persecute Christ?
Lol! No idea!
Acts 9:4
And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Saul the pharisee was there when Stephen was stoned, was he a satan then?
Acts 7:57-59
And casting him forth without the city, they stoned him; and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul. And they stoned Stephen, invoking, and saying: Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. And falling on his knees, he cried with a loud voice, saying: Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. And Saul was consenting to his death.
Obviously Stephen’s prayer was answered where Saul the pharisee was concerned, and from a satan, he became a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and ceased to persecute Christ.
@LAknat
You said,
“and Jesus said anybody who breaks the law and tells someone to break the law | they are the lowest person in the kingdom of heaven”
Your problem is that you don’t understand your own comments. You got no care for what you speak, as long as you’re speaking.
You tell me, what is the kingdom of heaven in which the person who breaks, and teaches people to break the law, will be the lowest? You should know the answer to that because you wrote it?
Romans 7:3
Therefore, whilst her husband liveth, she shall be called an adulteress, if she be with another man: but if her husband be dead, she is delivered from the law of her husband; so that she is not an adulteress, if she be with another man.
Antichrist Mohammed is in full support of adultery, because whilst the false prophet says that “divorce is the most detestable of lawful things” he does teach that the detestable behaviour is acceptable and remarriage while the previous partner is still alive is not adultery, whereas St. Paul agrees with the Lord Jesus Christ’s teaching (Matthew 19:3-9).
@LAknat
This will be my last comment, read it guy.
On David and Lot, you can take that up with the Jews if you like, for they wrote the Old Testament, for God chose them to write it, and what they wrote, they wrote.
Why did God not allow David to build the Temple but rather his son Solomon?
When Lot’s daughters made him drunk and slept with him, so they could preserve seed to their father (Genesis 19:33), you must remember what just happened to Sodom and Gommorah (Genesis 19:24-25), and how they thought there father “is old, and there is no man left on the earth” (Genesis 19:31).
Anyway, like I said before, there is no contradictions in the Bible, there is only lack of understanding for those that have not been converted to the Lord, like former pharisee Saul, who became the Apostle Paul.
So Mohammedans allow divorce, let’s see why.
Genesis 2:20-24
And Adam called all the beasts by their names, and all the fowls of the air, and all the cattle of the field: but for Adam there was not found a helper like himself. Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam: and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it. And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman: and brought her to Adam. And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man. Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.
Exodus 20:14
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Leviticus 20:10
If any man commit adultery with the wife of another, and defile his neighbour’s wife, let them be put to death, both the adulterer and the adulteress.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4
If a man take a wife, and have her, and she find not favour in his eyes, for some uncleanness: he shall write a bill of divorce, and shall give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed, and marrieth another husband, And he also hateth her, and hath given her a bill of divorce, and hath sent her out of his house or is dead: The former husband cannot take her again to wife: because she is defiled, and is become abominable before the Lord: lest thou cause thy land to sin, which the Lord thy God shall give thee to possess.
It’s not by reading the above scriptures that you Mohammedans can can come to a knowledge of the truth, but by understanding (I can’t stress that enough), with that in mind read Deuteronomy 24:1-4 again, it’s the reason the pharisees, Mohammedans, eastern schismatics and protestants all allow divorce. Lol, even the secular (atheist) lawmakers allow divorce, I wonder why?
Notice that it is only for some uncleanness that you can even consider putting away your wife, if no uncleanness, no divorce. But I ask, what was the uncleanness that she was put away for?
So, why are Mohammedans allowed to put away a wife for some uncleanness, but the unclean Mohammedan woman is good enough for some other Mohammedan man, I ask because you Mohammedans allow divorce and remarriage?
“The former husband cannot take her again to wife: because she is defiled, and is become abominable before the Lord.”
When did she become defiled and abominable before the Lord?
Where does it say that the man after putting away his unclean wife remarried? It only mentions that she remarried, and that he could not take her to wife again, because she was defiled?
When do you Mohammedans believe that God changed and that man and wife were no longer to be considered “two in one flesh” like they were in the beginning?
And now the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Matthew 19:3-9
And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away? He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
The teaching of the Lord is different to the teaching of antichrist Mohammed because Mohammed allowed the unclean wife that was put away to remarry, and what did the Lord Jesus Christ say of a man that marries the wife that is put away? “and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.”
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” That is the teaching of the Lord.
I educate you – your own bible!
I educate you – your own history!
Let me tell you about Paul …
Paul is someone on the day of judgment _ I don’t want to be anywhere near to him | first and foremost | and I want to know what’s waiting for him…
But Paul is someone who (he is a saboteur) in order to disrupt Christianity or what the followers of Jesus were doing from within or was he just fooled by Satan on the road to Damascus when he thought he saw Jesus! the law is cursed and Jesus was cursed on behalf of it to remove it from us
and Jesus said anybody who breaks the law and tells someone to break the law | they are the lowest person in the kingdom of heaven |
so Paul either was a saboteur or he himself was fooled but even when Paul met the disciples of Jesus (when he met Barnabas) they had a falling out because Barnabas said “hold on a second” -> what you are teaching is not what I heard from Jesus and I saw the man myself and he fell out with the other disciples when they got to know him | when he returned to Jerusalem at the last part of his life.
Paul returned to Jerusalem -> do you know what the city of Jerusalem did? They ALL came out to kill him! BUT the guard of Caesar came and protected him then took him away!
So Paul did not really see eye to eye with the disciples nor the followers of Jesus at any point… It was the later Churches and the letters that were written to churches who were outside Jerusalem | who were outside of the disciples reach that Paul had an influence on!
|this is the reason I actually showed you the statement from Paul|
that in one place he says that he the people stood with Paul speechless, they heard a voice but see no man |Act chapter 9
and the next place the same Paul said people journey with Paul saw indeed a light (the vision) but they did not hear the voice |Act chapter 22
saw no light but only hear voice vs didn’t hear the voice but only saw light!
did they hear the voice or did they not hear the voice?> | did they see the light or did they not see the light?> in one place says that heard the voice, second place says didn’t hear the voice – that’s the reason I said!
because your faith is in the bible .. so you should start questioning this now! because Paul <– everything he says is contradicting Jesus!
What I am telling you -> that Jesus said you have to keep the commandments | He never said abandon the commandments
why is Paul saying -> the commandments have been nailed to the cross! the law has been nailed to the cross! | also Jesus sacrifice for our Sins |
Jesus Christ peace be upon him says (Matthew chapter 5 verse 17-18)
don’t think that I come to destroy the law of the prophets, I come not to destroy but to fulfill! unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees No way shall you enter the kingdom of heaven!
so the only condition that any Christian who calls himself/herself today that he/she can go into the kingdom of God is by keeping the commandments | is not by believing Jesus died for your sins!
<– because he never said that …
That's the reason what I said! Keeping the commandments!
but when you read the teaching of Paul –
Paul is saying in the book of Hebrews | that the law has been annulled!
that means you don't need the law anymore |who gave authority to Paul!
@LAknat
Genesis 1:26
And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness.
What language did Jesus Christ speak?
He obviously communicated with His disciples. They all communicated with the Apostle Paul (formerly Saul the Pharisee and persecutor of Christ, Acts 9:4), is your point that the Apostles should understand “US” and “OUR” like you lol!?
You don’t come to know the truth by reading but by understanding, I can’t stress this enough. With that in mind, read on if you will.
Genesis 19:24
And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.
Psalm 109:1
The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand: Until I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 22:41-46
And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying: What think you of Christ? Whose Son is he? They say to him David’s. He saith to them: How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying: The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word; neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Isaias 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
Isaias 9:6
For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.
Notice that Christ is the Lord is a given, because the Jews/pharisees believed that the LORD SHALL GIVE THEM A SIGN, and that the sign is FROM THE LORD. Now, I ask you, what is that SIGN GIVEN BY THE LORD?
Who is the Father of this Son not born of male and female? Honest people will answer God, so He is the Son of God, but in a very different way to us, and that’s why the Jews/pharisees wanted to kill Him when He said God was His Father (John 5:18)
That is also why Jesus Christ is asking the Pharisees how is the Christ David’s Son and not how is the Christ David’s Lord, because it’s a given that the Christ is David’s Lord, and the question the Pharisees did not want to answer was a truth they did not want to know, and the reason @LAknat doesn’t want to answer how St. Paul (formerly Saul the persecutor of Christ, Acts 9:4) became a Christian is because it proves that our Christ is different to the Mohammedan Christ (Matt. 24:24).
@LAknat says: “The word son of God in the sense that other people were sons of God.
I mean the king of Israel was the son of God | he is called the son of God
and priest sometimes they could be called the son”
Let’s ask @LAknat, were the other “sons of God” born of a Virgin like Jesus Christ was?
John 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again I leave the world, and I go to the Father.
So, this is where Mohammedans lie when they say that St. Paul (formerly Saul the persecutor of Christ, Acts 9:4) invented the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity comes from the word made flesh, Jesus Christ, it is true that St. Paul did teach the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, but he taught it from the Lord, because to believe something you have to be told something, and it has been said that you don’t know anything until you know that it cannot be otherwise. So St. Paul the former Pharisee shows that the Pharisees didn’t know the Lord, if they did know Him “they would never have crucified the Lord of glory.” (1 Cor. 2:8)
Now, to answer the question, why do the Mohammedans see contradictions in the Bible?
Because they’re really no different to the pharisees where the Christ is concerned, neither believe Him to be the Lord, but if they be converted to the Lord like St. Paul (formerly Saul the persecutor of Christ, Acts 9:4), “the veil shall be taken away.”
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
But their senses were made dull. For, until this present day, the selfsame veil, in the reading of the old testament, remaineth not taken away (because in Christ it is made void). But even until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. But when they shall be converted to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
So when St. Paul was converted to the Lord by the Lord Himself the veil was taken away, and then he knew the Lord.
So you see when I say IT’S ALL ABOUT THE CHRIST, I tell you the truth.
We all know that Mohammed has nothing to do with the prophets of the Old Testament because they all prophesied about the Christ. And only a fool would believe that the One born of a virgin, the stone that the builders rejected, the one that is greater than all the prophets, the One that made Jew and gentile one by faith in Him, would be followed by a man like Mohammed, I have to say that is LUDICROUS.
Genesis 1:26
And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness.
John 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again I leave the world, and I go to the Father.
Genesis 1:26 has to be examined spiritually, like I said, it is not by reading that one comes to know the Truth but by understanding, believe and you shall understand how the “US” and “OUR” should be understood, it should be understood like the Apostles understand it, and what language did they speak?
@LAknat said,
“Now what has been translated COULD BE ANYTHING!”
St. Paul didn’t speak English, and @LAknat believes the doctrine of the Trinity is St. Paul’s work, and my Douay-Rheims Bible is in the English language, a language St. Paul didn’t speak, and I believe St. Paul’s teaching on the Holy Trinity, which he was taught from the Lord Himself.
“COULD BE ANYTHING!”, but obviously it’s not if I believe the doctrine of the Trinity from a language St. Paul didn’t speak.
Nothing is about the false prophet Mohammed in the Old or New Testament, to suggest otherwise is LUDICROUS!
If you believe what you like in the Gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself.
– Saint Augustine
What is Truth is Truth – What is wrong is wrong |l
The majority doesn’t win …
Jesus said (Gospel of Matthew chapter 5 verse 17-20)
–> that even if you break one dot or tittle from the law | old testament!
you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven! we need to fulfill it!
don’t ever think -> Jesus Christ came to misguide us?
Jesus Christ says -> unless your righteousness exceeds| unless they are better than the Jews, you shall not enter paradise1
That means everything what is mentioned in the old testament -> not to have pork, we have to be modest (see for the nun | they are dressed like a woman Muslim / mother mary completely covered) has to be followed.
Then later on the teaching of Paul | who is the self-appointed apostle of Jesus peace be upon him, Paul tells us never moving our gaze from the cross <– that's not teaching from Jesus Christ peace be upon him
who do you believe | Jesus Christ peace be upon him or Paul?
All the messengers preach nothing but Islam
These you find on the bible and the other book The Words of God | to judge right or wrong! :: everything what today Christians follow is not correct :O
But Muhammad peace be upon him says -> There is no problem if we quote from the other scriptures of the Ahli Kitab, as long as what’s MATCHING with the Quran from the other religion scriptures | We have got NO OBJECTION AND ACCEPTING IT.
WHAT AGAINST | We Disagree .^. Certain things like -> the prophet Luth | Loth did incest with his daughter .. how can we agree with that!!
So this verse is not the word of God+ It is adultery / it is corruption / it is a fabrication!
let’s agree to follow what is common -. but that doesn’t mean I agree with everything on the bible, because today the bible is not maintained in the original form | why? ::: because ALL the previous scriptures as I mentioned! was supposed to be made from those people at that time –> {Paul and the Chruch}
so you have to follow the last and final revelation -> the Quran |1
To understand Islam -> don’t look at the Muslim
look at -> the Quran (the word of God) and the authentic Hadith (the word of Muhammad) and I challenge you which the word from the Quran that against all the humanity!
{ We have the original Quran }
– We have it memorized (word by word – later by later from beginning to end) have you ever seen a Christian that can memorize the entire Bible [it’s gonna be well preserved if it is in the original language]?
That it is preserved first and foremost with millions | I am not exaggerating | that can memorize the entire Quran
-> so if any translation or any editor tries to take a word here and there, millions of people will catch them!
-> on top of that we have manuscripts that carbon dated parts of it from the life of prophet Muhammad and from his companion the first generation|
So we can always check back and forth, so that’s why Muslims have no disagreement on the 114 chapters in the Quran, unlike the Catholics who have different books.
let’s go pick it up and start reading it!
Read it with an Open Heart! like what I did with the bible!
when I studied the bible I was not a convinced Muslim! but -> I did not find it to be the Truth! and when I read the Quran I found it to be the Truth!
Open Mind Open Heart -> Read the Quran!
The problem is you have tried ONE THING and you assume it’s the Truth without knowing anything else!!
without knowing the Quran -> thinking that you already have the Truth is pretty CLOSED MINDED ~
@LAknat
You don’t understand the teaching of the Lord.
You already brought up divorce, and the Lord said: “Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery” (Luke 16:18).
You already admitted that your religion allows adultery, but the Lord said “though shalt not commit adultery,” just like he taught Mary Magdelene.
Anyone can change their life at any time, that’s why the Lord didn’t condemn Mary Magdelene but rather her sin, in your religion she would’ve been stoned.
Why didn’t the Pharisees just stone the adulteress?
What sort of person would stone an adulteress when you allow adultery in your law?
Also, we don’t have to remember the whole Bible, all you need to remember is, “The love of our neighbour worketh no evil. Love therefore is the fulfilling of the law” (Romans 13:10).
Think about it, are you married, do you love your wife, if yes, you surely wont commit adultery, and love has fulfilled the law.
Like I said, Mohammedans don’t have the same God, the same Christ as Catholics, so it’s not about me being close minded but rather me having my faith, you having yours, and that’s it.
Have you investigated Mormonism with an open mind like your book suggests, maybe you should be a seventh day adventist, maybe pentecostal, what about a quaker, maybe a shaker, you could be a Jehovah’s witness, now if you don’t go investigate those non-trinatarian religions you go against your prophet’s teaching?
Anyway, have a happy new year.
prophet Muhammad who was not Anti-Christ
so I proved that to you | because …
Muhammad peace be upon him was in Medina |is a place where He migrated| He was defending Jesus peace be upon him, even though He was getting nothing from it!
… meaning in Medina, if He was a false prophet -> He would have agreed with Israelites “who said Jesus Christ was a blessed man was a lie” or “He was not a true messiah”
Muhammad peace be upon him would easily have agreed with them -> to gain more followers! but what He did?> He said -> NO … Jesus was a true messiah, He was born without a father, his mother was a truthful woman! Why He’s going to defend someone in a city when there is no need for him to defend, rather by defending that man He is going to lose more followers!
Not to get more followers!| because to show you -> prophet Muhammad doesn’t speak from his own desires | He speaks in the Revelation |
Allah (the Almighty God) send him to defend this man (Jesus Christ) because He is the prophet of Allah (the Almighty God) like Muhammad peace be upon him, so they can defend each other +
the mother of Jesus
If you read all the books in the bible whether the old testament or new testament 66 books of the Protestant or 73 books of the Catholics | there is no single book which is named after Mary but there is a full chapter in the Quran named after Mary (the entire chapter) and do you also know this fact that the only woman mentioned by name is Mary in the Quran… That –> she is the chosen woman above the women of all nations.
| imagines the Quran is being revealed in Arabic to the Arabs and that time the Arabs and Jews did not get along well.. the Quran says a Jewish woman has been honored as the woman chosen above all the other women.
|imagine Muhammad peace be upon him is giving the message to the Arabs -> it is actually antagonizing them! that the Jewish woman is chosen above the Arab woman, He did not say that his Khadija (his wife) or Fatima (his daughter) for the chosen woman!
He could not because it is the revelation from Allah (the Almighty God) has to repeat -> the mother Mary is the chosen woman above the women of all nations!
so the respect given in the Quran to mother Mary is far more superior than even in the Bible!
@LAknat
“so the respect given in the Quran to mother Mary is far more superior than even in the Bible!”
It’s not possible that the Quran can give the Mother of our Lord more respect than the Bible.
coming in the Quran
when we see the mention in chapter 19 verse 24 – 25
| we see the mention of the story of Mary |
–> That She was a virgin and she had dedicated her life to the worship of One God, praying and fasting | and by the power of The Almighty God | breath his spirit into her
The Almighty God said -> be and it is! and She conceived Jesus without a father / a man|l
Then .. when She felt the pain of the pregnancy that the Angel Gabriel came to her and told her to go outside of the city | to a remote area – and there She found a palm tree …
This verse speaking about the Dates of the palm tree —>
those who know who has lived in the desert area: when you start to see the color the Dates changes | Dates are not brown
it is originally red or yellow | –> but it’s turned into BROWN (because it’s so hot – highest of the heat in the desert)
By that time that She gave birth to Jesus! <– so from this point of view, Jesus was NOT BORN during the Winter season!
He was BORN in the Warm weather…
@LAknat
The Quran is made up guy, it’s obvious that false prophet Mohammed born of male and female was trying to ride the Christ’s coattails, as if the Christ needed that fool’s assistance in any way.
Islam doesn’t have room for you to make up something to suit yourself, if you don’t like something, then make up something outside! Even today when you go and look up the commandments in the Old Testament – it can be found in Islam.
| I spoke with someone – about the subject of the pork | what about that?
He said that we all know the New Testament cancelled the Old Testament. You don’t have to be worried about that anymore.
that’s what he said! -> New Testament cancelled the Old Testament, so we can still eat pork!
Circumcision | I don’t need that! you don’t have to be worried about that anymore!
which of the commandments are you ready to throw away? => the first one? | We have NO other God besides the Almighty God | so they change it //
Even the fourth commandment -> remember the Sabbath and keep it holy! what day is the Sabbath? Saturday or Sunday? the 7th is Saturday and keep it holy! but they change it to Sunday for a cult => worshipped the sun!|
Paul, who is what? the very one who says – that he used to persecute the real follower of Jesus even to death!
most Christians claim that they believe but when it comes down to the commandment -> they don’t want to follow it!
Jesus is speaking to the people of San Hebrew because they are accusing him of changing the religion.
That’s what he was being accused though | Pharisee they want to convict him on saying something so that they got away
because Jesus exposing them for the way that they want to control the church or temple at that time |l
He was exposing the San Hebrews.. There are a bunch of greedy money – Power – Hungry – Son of the Bitch!
They accusing Jesus to change it | This is what Jesus says According to the English Bible that I have at home (in Matthew 5: 17-19)
It says more like this!—> If you believe it in any part of the bible -> do not think that I came to change the Torah, the law, and the prophets! “I came not to change but to fulfill.” And not until all things are accomplished until not a single dot be changed.
whoever breaks the least commandment and teaches these, that be the least in the kingdom, but whoever keeps the commandment and teaches these, that be the highest in the kingdom! and not less your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, will you anyway enter Paradise.
“Islam doesn’t have room for you to make up something to suit yourself”
Your Quran I’ve heard changed the binding of Isaac to the binding of the son of the bondwoman (Ishmael), your people have changed many things, and accept what suits them in the NT (Christians accept the whole OT), and reject what they don’t like, all the tell tale signs of someday trying to make sense of something that doesn’t make sense to him.
Like you explained earlier, it teaches people that being born of a Virgin and being born of fornication like Mohammed was, is the same thing, and that’s ridiculous.
Psalms 131:17
There will I bring forth a horn to David: I have prepared a lamp for my anointed.
Psalms 44:8
Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Remember Jesus said, John the Baptist is greater than all the prophets of the Old Testament (Matthew 11:11), but greater than them all, the one born of a Virgin (Luke 3:16).
There is no need for the false prophet Mohammed’s lies and invented stories in order to manipulate and further their own advancement at the cost of others, especially when those others are greater than he.
Like I said, it’s all about the Christ, the Jews/pharisees are still waiting for the Christ, the Christians believe Jesus is the Christ (Son of God).
If you said No! we are gonna canceled something – you just got through – going against this teaching! A single commandment even the least of the commandments!
And the person who is telling you that Jesus came to him in a flesh and told me that canceling stuff is also the same one who says -> If the lies bring people to God, why do they persecute me? If the lies I tell to my religion, why are the disciples upset?
I disagree…
Quran is Not the words of prophet Muhammad..I must tell you this…I have read the bible several times and I found out that the bible contains fragments of the words of God. Words of the prophet and Words of a historian -> they put it all together and call it the bible words of god ||
Now in the case of the Quran, it is 100 % words of god. the words of prophet Muhammad are kept in separate volumes of books called a hadith. And the words of the Islamic historian were also separate. Now talking about writers whom you called guided by the holy spirit if they are truly guided they will not differ in major stories and narration of what really happened to Jesus…
Jesus never explains God the way people today explain God…Jesus was just saying that God is ONE..not the way you said it…
let me educate you – your own bible!
first of all the saying of me or anybody else is not a proof
when you have to talk about proofs you have to come with the Quran |!
We are all people -> we can make mistakes | you can misunderstand what the person is saying! none of that is going to be proof. When we talk about evidence when we don’t say Christian preacher said this so why! NO … We say the bible says this | in Luke, Matthew, John, and so on and so on | then we talk about those sorts -> you have to say …
so I don’t know Luke, Mattew, John. . you can ask him!
What I say is The Almighty God revealed the Torah / Old Testament to Moses, Psalm / Zaboor to David, Injeel / Gospel to Jesus, Quran to Muhammad | peace be upon them All!
Exactly the way they were -> They are all from The Almighty God, BUT people later and this is not my statement – that’s a historic fact | that people, later on, CHANGED those verses!
If you look at Paul and what he did, you know as somebody who studied (I’m sure) | but if you haven’t (Go Study it) -> that Paul never actually met Jesus peace be upon him according to Christian sources! so his writings are his own ideas would change much of what was the concept of Jesus but after that the council of Nicea onwards and onwards if you look at Dr. Bart Ehrman and his writings |he was an agnostic (not a Muslim) ~
About all the different manuscripts that were written in coney greek not in Aramaic, so the WORD <- how it may have been used in Aramaic, We Don't Know! what the original, We Don't Know! because you cannot choose what you like and then disregard what you don't like –
@LAknat
You shouldn’t read the Bible, it’s not for you, it’s for those that have been converted to the Lord like St. Paul was on his way to Damascus.
Matthew 13:11
Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given.
2 Corinthians 3:16
But when they shall be converted to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
Remember, it’s the binding of Isaac (the son of the free woman), not of the son of the bondwoman (Ishmael), you know your people changed it for a reason?
So basically your answer is, “read the Bible as a whole”, and just ignore those passages that contradict the teachings of the church, and even contradict other passages in the Bible.
Sadly Christians will consider their answer convincing, while it’s really shameful that they didn’t even tend to address the points mentioned by Paul.
We don’t believe the creator would leave us without guidance
so that guidance comes in the form of prophets and books.
so prophets like a trainer and they train us on what the message is how to use our life correctly | they are examples for us –
That’s why the prophets -> you will see them with the best of character, you will not see prophets | like in the bible | you will see ->
– Lot is called a righteous servant but then you find Lot having sex with his daughter {that doesn’t work for an example about prophet because if somebody gets that drunk and they are having repeated sex with different daughters | they can’t be an example for us}.
– David – you know | He is called a prophet in the bible … but He murders his own soldier because He raped soldier’s wife ||
so in Islam, this is not the way Dawud / David was a righteous man, He didn’t do any of that. Lot was the righteous man never had sex with his daughters <– all of those were prophets and good examples, so God sends us those prophets to teach us how to live and with them, God gives us guidance!
@Anonymous
“marin cacic rest in peace…his teta says he got the booster days before his heart attack…terible thing for his family on chrismas”
Do you know that there are stupid Croats in Croatia telling people that the vaccine is the mark of the beast? I just want to tell you not to listen to those fools.
Eh, Frenchman. You say many Catholic things but then you go and disparage Croatians any chance you get. This is quite the dichotomy of behaviour on your part.
I thought as Christians we are supposed to build one another up not speak ill of one another. Especially during this most Holy octave of Christmas we should be sharing in the Joy of the celebration of the birth of our Lord.
Peace be with you.
Also, there are places in the world where people cannot buy or sell or work if they do not have the vaccine… sounds eerily reminiscent of something mentioned in the Apocalypse of John.
@Stari
I’m trying to tell @Anonymous not to listen to the Croatian fools that say that, because it wouldn’t bode well for his friend if it was, but it’s not.
Like I said to that other fellow and it applies to you also, it’s not by reading but by understanding the scriptures that the truth may be known, and I understand that the vaccine is not the mark of the beast.
Hopefully I provided the @Anonymous fellow with some comfort, which those that say the vaccine is the mark of the beast can not do.
Ask yourself, who is the beast my good fellow, and then ask yourself are there some that have not taken the vaccine that have his mark but also can’t buy and sell?
you better start discussing which bible is the right one
with Frenchman a.k.a the Truth
~ because they do not say the same thing! ~
In Fact, some of the revised standards doesn’t have the same number of verse in it. There is part of chapters that they claim they are not really in the older manuscripts which are added later … especially when it comes to the fact that three heavens all be in one | {that was added about 600 years ago}
what do you think is the correct bible?
You guys have 66 books | 73 books and when you look at the Muslim –> How many versions that I have?>
There are NO VERSIONS | there is only ONE and it is in Arabic … if there are many | then it’s just a translation of the meaning on it. If you think -> It can be anyone’s interpretation that’s why you don’t trust these translations]} –> then go back learn arabic and see what it says!
@LAknat
C’mon man, you’re confused, you’ve gone from telling these people to read their Bibles, to the Bible is corrupted, to read the Quran to learn about Jesus, lol, you’re making it up as you go along.
You can clearly see I read my Bible, but you are a dishonest individual because you could’ve said from the start “come to the Mosque we’ll interpret the Bible for you Christians, Jews/pharisees and gentiles, for Mohammed was sent to make of 3 One in him and gather what Christ gathered to Himself to himself.”
Anyway, I wanted to learn something of Mohammed and a mormon told me he is no prophet and that their founder is the last prophet sent by God, I laughed!
Matthew 11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.
@LAknat
“what do you think is the correct bible?
You guys have 66 books | 73 books and when you look at the Muslim –> How many versions that I have?>”
Look, you don’t have to read my comments, but I said in my first comment, only Catholics are Christian, so it’s 73. The faith is about keeping “the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. 4:3).
So Luther (the former Catholic), that sensual man that separated himself from the Catholic Church because he wanted to break his vows so he could shack up with a nun, took 7 books out, that cannot be imputed to the Catholics.
Former Catholic King Henry the VIII initially referred to Luther as “a venomous serpent, a pernicious plague, infernal wolf, an infectious soul, a detestable trumpeter of pride, calumnies and schism.” Of course then he wanted a divorce, the Pope didn’t want to separate what God joined together (Matt. 19:6) so he went ahead and built his own church on his stones.
The Bible says the Church is the Body of Christ, and that there shall arise false Christs, and my word has it happened.
Jude 1:19
These are they, who separate themselves, sensual men, having not the Spirit.
Matthew 16:9
And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
I hope that’s been cleared up to your satisfaction, the Catholic Church says, 73?
Be happy guy, Sunni Mohammedanism is the biggest religion in the world.
As I said | This is important |
All of you and I know that none of the prophets peace be upon them all SPOKE ENGLISH. I mean seriously!!
because there are some people who run around with their bible~ really thinking that Jesus said what is written there, which is impossible because the language did not exist at that time.
The English language only existed after the Normans invaded the Saxons in the year 1066 AD. Prior to that, there was no English. whatever you have English it’s not the Quran, it’s not the New Testament, not the Old Testament.
You have to get into your mind! so if any language did not exist at the time, then nobody says anything in that language!
–> Now what has been translated COULD BE ANYTHING!
let’s see this one:
–> the name of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is mentioned in the Old Testament:
:: Book of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16 ::
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim |Zehdoodeh wa Zehrayee Baina Jerusalem”
in English:
“His mouth is most sweeter, He is altogether Lovely. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O’ Daughters of Jerusalem”
The translation is Muhammadim -> He is altogether lovely | in English
This is in Hebrew –> some quotation IM is added as a respect so the name of Muhammad + IM (plural of respect in Hebrew)
his name was mentioned in the original manuscript! | but they translate prophet noun to -> Altogether lovely |in English
regarding that word -> IM_
:: Book of Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 ::
” in the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth ”
The word “GOD” in Hebrew there is “ELOH’IM” ELAH -> GOD and IM -> All respect and Reference | plural of respect |
Including Arabic and Hebrew} there are two types of plurals: plural of respect as well as numbers
The Quran is also we find the very same thing like the verse ->
“That it is for US to send down the revelation and it is for US to protect it”
Who is this US -> is it Allah, Angle Jibreel and Muhammad peace be upon him? like Father, Son, Holy Spirit? NO – this is what happens in English
– When we are told in the holy Quran -> He is Allah
the one and only | the almighty god talking about US
NO ARAB CHRISTIAN has ever asked Muslim who is this US, because he knows in his language ~ there are two types of plurals ~ this US is the plural of respect!
it’s standing for itself! =- so ELOH ‘IM is the plural of respect.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TRANSLATE NAMES OF PEOPLE, THAT’S WHY YOU HAVE GOT 3 NAMES INTO 1 IN ENGLISH -> FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT | BUT THIS IS THE ONLY 1 THE FATHER |
so when you read the translation of the bible – you don’t realize |
even the New Testament mentioned Muhammad in the manuscript but the same issues came up regarding the English translation…
– Gospel of John chapter 14 verse 16 | I will pray to my father to send you Comforter who will help you and always be with you
– Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26 | when I pray to my father and send you the Comforter He will abide you forever
– Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7 | nevertheless I tell you the Truth, It is expedient for you that I go away, for I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
so this comforter if we analyze in the original script -> LANGUAGE ARAMAIC | it is “Paraclete” which means the Praised One / praiseworthy -> which is the translation of the name | Muhammad | that’s what in the Arabic name meaning …
But many Christian says that this prophecy about the comforter becomes reverse to -> the holy spirit. so let’s take a look at the same chapter:
– Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14 | I have yet many things to say to you but you cannot bear them now, howbeit then the spirit of Truth has come, He will guide you into all Truth!
who is the spirit of Truth? | ask the Christian he is the Holy Spirit! if this is the Hold Spirit -> tell me what new things the Holy Spirit has given you in the past 2000 years?
Before we see this aspect let me re-read to you this verse! with some emphasis!
Jesus Said -> I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now howbeit when HE the spirit of truth has come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak HIMSELF but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak and HE will show you things to come. HE shall glorify me
for HE shall receive of mine and shall show it unto you.
If this one -> befits a spirit? That is A MAN for 8 times!
there is not another verse in the whole bible with 8 masculine pronouns / 8 feminine gender / 8 neutral genders | There Isn’t>
MAN MAN MAN NOT A SPIRIT NOT A GHOST etc.
This is a unique verse for a unique personality -> Muhammad peace be upon him. It doesn’t stand for the Holy Spirit. .
@LAknat
“All of you and I know that none of the prophets peace be upon them all SPOKE ENGLISH. I mean seriously!!”
And you know that of all prophets born of women none was greater than John the Baptist (Matt. 11:11), and greater than them all was the one born of a virgin.
Isaias 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
Isaias 9:6
For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.
Couldn’t care less about Mohammed the false prophet, he’s your problem.
If you don’t want to Answer how St. Paul (formerly Saul, the overzealous pharisee and persecutor of Christians) became a Christian, just move on.
@LAknat
You’re not understanding, it’s all about the Christ, that’s why there is no prophecies of Mohammed in the Old Testament, but that Jesus Christ is the realisation of the prophecies of the Old Testament, so it’s like this, The New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old is unveiled in the New, that’s why the Old Testament and the New Testament are one book, just like the church was being made up of Jews and gentiles and is One, for Christ is our peace who has made both one.
You want know about Christ you go to the Church (Aggeus 2:8-10).
Now while the Pharisees are still waiting for the Christ, you Mohammedans don’t have the same Christ as Catholics.
Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour is the Truth, He said that there shall arise false Christs (the Body of Christ, which is the church, is One) then rest assured that it will happen, and has happened. Jesus Christ the Truth said that there shall arise false prophets (like Mohammed), then it will happen, and had happened. Jesus Christ said He will be with the Christians even to the consumation of the world, then stay Christian people, for that is the new name that was prophesied about (Isaias 62:1-2).
{Whoever seeks the truth, one proof is enough,
while whoever follows his desires, a thousand proofs will not suffice}
Sorry if it feels offensive. But I feel this conversation is such a waste of time, rather than speaking about what Islam believes and what Christian believe, so we need to establish the common ground first.
1. God will not make a mistake. You have to come to this common ground to make the conversation worth first
2. God sends His message to His Prophet through Angel Gabriel, both of you believe it is manifested in both Bible and Qur’an. This is what each of you believe first.
3. If there is a CONTRADICTION on something, it means one of them at least is an error, and it is possible that both of them are errors. But it is impossible for both of them to be true.
4. There ARE many CLEAR NUMERICAL CONTRADICTION in BIBLE
5. Remember that God will not make a mistake (errors)
6. It means, it is impossible for Bible to be the pure work of GOD. It is possible that there are words of GOD in it, but it is impossible for BIBLE to be a pure word of god. there must be an intervention of humans in the Bible that makes the Bible have a contradiction. Because if it is pure word of GOD, then you have to agree that GOD can make mistakes, which is impossible.
7. If you found a clear numerical contradiction in BIBLE, then no one will guarantee there will be no more mistake in Bible. Maybe the author of the Bible make a mistake when he said God is three in one, maybe he means four in one, or ten in one (even trinity does not exist in the bible until hundreds of years after Jesus was believed to be dead). Because we can’t distinct which one is true and which one is false in the bible anymore
8. It means we can’t base our belief on the Bible which have unknown number of mistake anymore.
9. It means we don’t have to discuss about Trinity, and other things anymore. Just stop there, Bible and its teaching foundation has crumbled.
@LAknat
“even trinity does not exist in the bible until hundreds of years after Jesus was believed to be dead”
Listen, there was the Church before there was a Bible.
You believe the doctrine of the Holy Trinity to be St. Paul’s work, so you believe the Church taught her doctrine of the Holy Trinity before the Bible was ever put together by the Catholic Church, your advice to everyone here is read the Bible, well I have, and I assume many Croats have, in there they read how Saul persecuted the Christians, and from a persecutor became a Christian, I asked you how it was that he became a Christian, you didn’t want to answer, let’s leave it there, and you can go tell the morons about your “prophet,” you should be arguing with them anyway, because neither of your books are part of the Bible.
Lol, I meant mormons.
@LAknat
John 5:18
Hereupon therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he did not only break the sabbath, but also said God was his Father, making himself equal to God.
“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but said also that God was His Father;” not in any ordinary manner, but how? “Making Himself equal with God.” For we all say to God, “Our Father which art in heaven;” we read also that the Jews said, “Seeing You are our Father.” [Isaiah 63:16] Therefore it was not for this they were angry, because He said that God was His Father, but because He said it in quite another way than men do. Behold, the Jews understand what the Arians do not understand. The Arians, in fact, say that the Son is not equal with the Father, and hence it is that the heresy was driven from the Church. Lo, the very blind, the very slayers of Christ, still understood the words of Christ. They did not understand Him to be Christ, nor did they understand Him to be the Son of God: but they did nevertheless understand that in these words such a Son of God was intimated to them as should be equal with God. Who He was they knew not; still they did acknowledge such a One to be declared, in that “He said God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”
– Saint Augustine
Mohammeds thoughts on the Christ come from the Arians, so we can forget about Mohammed and talk about the Arians if you want, because Mohammed is just a guy that made up his own religion from the stories he heard from Jews and heretics, he isn’t even worthy to come back and defeat the Antichrist (or whatever it is you call him) which we can both agree on?
Begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father is how it should be understood for in Christ’s own words, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), and, “Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am” (John 8:58), and, “I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again I leave the world, and I go to the Father” (John 16:28).
According to Mohammedanism, who will defeat the Antichrist (or whatever it is you call him), Jesus Christ or Mohammed, who in your opinion are both just men; but which one of them though is this about, “Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows” (Ps. 44:8) in your opinion, because you Mohammedans seem to suggest that it is about the Christ?
Who will defeat the Antichrist (or whatever it is you call him), c’mon you know, you got that from us?
Here is my answer,
Apocalypse 1:7-8
Behold, he cometh with the clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they also that pierced him. And all the tribes of the earth shall bewail themselves because of him. Even so. Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, saith the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
It’s all about the Christ!
Because as you know in the Islamic faith Muslims believe in Jesus Christ as well and obviously there is the idea as to who Jesus Christ was ^.
The fundamental difference between the Muslim faith and the Christian faith in this regard is that Muslims view Jesus Christ as a prophet or messenger or messiah but not as God or the son of God.
… in fact, the Quran is very explicit that He doesn’t claim to be a God himself in fact this is seen as a fabricated or some kind of a contrivance in the bible!
The Messiah was not supposed to be a divine figure
The Messiah was a human and prophets were humans
and Jesus certainly understood himself as a prophet/teacher/messiah.
The word son of God in the sense that other people were sones of God.
I mean the king of Israel was the son of God | he is called the son of God
and priest sometimes they could be called the son –
What I am asking is what Jesus himself says about himself >
my question is – did Jesus go around Palestine Galilee and Judea saying I and the father are one l}
Before Abraham was I am the way the truth and no one comes to the Father but by me.
This saying is only found in the Gospel of John! |which Christians agree is the last of the Gospel|. This saying is not found in Mark |which Christians agree is in the earlier Gospel| and this is not only found not in Mark – This is not found in Luke, Matthew, and in any of the early sources –> where Jesus says this thing!
|and Jesus himself never says I am God] in Matthew Mark Luke anywhere!
@LAknat
I don’t care what the Quran says, like I said I believe Mohammed made up his religion and that he was an antichrist, look, did Mohammed gather with Christ, was he baptised (born again) like Christ taught, did that sinner teach to stone adulteresses, which is antichrist, I could go on?
Jesus Christ condemned the sin of Mary Magdelene, not her, He told her to “go, and sin no more” (John 8:11), Mohammed’s teaching was antichrist.
Psalms 44:4
With thy comeliness and thy beauty set out, proceed prosperously, and reign. Because of truth and meekness and justice: and thy right hand shall conduct thee wonderfully.
I’ll ask you, why didn’t the pharisees stone Mary Magdelene if that’s what the law said, why did they bring her to Jesus Christ tempting Him, looking for an accustion against Him, what were they trying to find out?
Do Mohammedans get baptised like God taught?
Mohammed was never a follower of Christ (a Christian), the truth is he was dead while he lived and he would’ve been buried by the dead, why is he different to the one to whom Jesus Christ said, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead” (Matt. 8:22)?
Jesus said in the bible (John 10:30) “I and the Father are one. ”
—> Jesus does not mean here that he and the Father are one body, but they are one concerning the purpose and concerning the fact that the belief in Jesus as a prophet sent by God is necessary because it is an essential part of the faith in God.
Jesus said in (John 17: 21-23) “that the disciples will be one as Jesus and the Father is one”
–> This means that Jesus signifies the unity of purpose not that they are a body because the disciples are not a body but they have the same purpose.
Jesus also said in (John 17: 21-23) “so that all may be one, as you, Father, you are in me, and as I am in you, so that they also may be one in us, so that the world believes you sent me. I gave them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one, I in them, and you in me, -so that they may be perfectly one, and the world will know that you are me. sent and that you loved them as you loved me.”
see this ERROR from many errors ->
“God of the bible said he does not change and yet he has changed not only in laws but also in form”. (Bible, Malachi 3: 6 “For I am the Lord, I change not.”) “He was the Word, and then he became flesh” (God, baby, child, teenager, man then God).
He decided that the wine is forbidden, the pig is forbidden, the divorce is allowed … then and suddenly he liked that the Christians could drink the wine, eat the pig, he forbade the divorce except in case of adultery …
Either this God is a liar or the Christians have lied about their God.
This is your bible _o) where is your logic?>
Christian logic is so simple ::
– If there are so many Bibles, so there should be differences in the Quran too.
– If there are so many Errors and Mistakes in Bible, so they should be in Quran too.
– If Bible is “proved” not at all the word of God, so Quran shouldn’t be too.
– And to know about Quran, the best place to go is the “Islamophobic bigots” websites
@LAknat
Matthew 19:6-9
Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away? He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
Divorce is for those with a hard heart, and of course those that God didn’t join together can do whatever the hell like, they have free will.
And they that are well instructed in the catholic faith know that God instituted marriage; and as the union of man and wife is from God, so divorce is from the devil.
– Saint Augustine
Remember, protestants like you Mohammedans can divorce because God does not join them together, there must be a lot of stoning in Mohammedanism because anyone that marries the wife some Mohammedan puts away commits adultery, that’s the teaching of Jesus Christ.
I almost feel bad for Christians in these situations. They can’t defend their two core doctrines (Trinity and incarnation) from their scripture because they ARE NOT in their scriptures, nor can they answer to the contradictions within both the Old Testament and New Testament. I don’t doubt the sincerity of this guy’s faith, but he is deeply, deeply misguided.
The trinity and incarnation aren’t Abrahamic principles. Even the Hebrew Scriptures proclaim in crystal clear terms that God is ONE (Deuteronomy 6:4) and that He is not a man (Numbers 23:19). These are theological inventions of the imperial Catholic church under the influence of Hellenic philosophy and paganism, and which were not even explicitly defined until the late 4th century.
The doctrine of the Trinity is not a teaching from God nor is it teaching from Jesus. Trinity is Paul’s teaching which is heretical and misleading Christians who should follow the teachings of Jesus. But why do so many Christians gladly want to be misled by the false prophet Paul? It doesn’t make sense and is also insanity.
@LAknat
“Trinity is Paul’s teaching which is heretical”
St. Paul (formerly Saul) a false prophet, from persecuting Christians to becoming a Christian, and how was it that he became a Christian?
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Does the Father beget?
Incarnation literally means embodied in flesh or taking on flesh. So the word that was in the beginning with God, the Word that was God, was made flesh.
Isaias 35:4
Take courage, and fear not: behold your God will bring the revenge of recompense: God himself will come and will save you.
It’s all about the Christ!
Gabriel is not the Holy Spirit, read Luke Ch. 1, if you like, you’ll find that of Jesus Christ’s kingdom there will be no end.
Matthew 22:1-2
And Jesus answering, spoke again in parables to them, saying: The kingdom of heaven is likened to a king, who made a marriage for his son.
Who is the King’s Son?
Matthew 13:10-11
And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables? Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given.
Christians have a problem with Muslims, why do they come on the street proving errors in the bible?!
Because the God of All the prophets from Adam to Mohammed peace be upon him -> IS ONE, and all previous scriptures have been corrupted and people have gone astray. That’s why God has revealed Quran and promised in surah (Al Hijr 15:9) “It is certainly We Who have revealed the Reminder, and it is certainly We Who will preserve it.”
So brother…
Muslims give dawah on the streets for your benefit, calling back to the straight path and to save you from hellfire.
“Is then one who follows (seeks) the good Pleasure of Allâh like the one who draws on himself the Wrath of Allâh? his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination” (Ali Imran 3:162)
Mark chapter 2
where Jesus’ disciples are going through the fields eating grain on the sabbath and the pharisee see them doing this and they are all upset because it’s a sabbath. You are not supposed to be harvesting grain on the sabbath and they are doing that so they tell Jesus to tell the disciples to cut it out and Jesus to them look -> don’t you remember what happened in scripture when Abiathar was the high priest. When David went to the temple and he and his disciples ate the showbread that was only for the priests and he goes on to say the sabbath is made for humans, not humans for the sabbath and so it’s oke to satisfy your hunger on the sabbath.
–> Abiathar was the high priest | because in the old testament when this happens in the book of Samuel it’s not Abiathar it’s his father -> Ahimelech (who is the high priest). So the detail here | missed/corrupted | it’s not the book of God (mark just made a mistake)| It’s a little mistake and then I found another little mistake and then another then I started finding many all over!!
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what you have is a book written by men over centuries and centuries
and this book started as an original that was copied and copied and copied and somebody added a mistake and somebody came behind him and corrected that mistake and added it to his own. someone came and copied it and skipped the line and added a line where
It wasn’t supposed to be and then someone else came and copied it and took it to his country and in order for it to fit well with the doctrine, they were teaching, he would cross out a dot here or cross out a word here or change a word here so that would fit with the theological ideas of this part of the world.
After all these years –> you have a book now that is compiled from all of this written by the hands of men that still have men’s fingerprints left on it
and that’s what you have you have an imperfect book that is only perfected through faith. This book is perfected through faith you cannot perfect it textually. It’s not a textually perfect book.
those who believe in it then believe in it by faith | well god’s religion is perfect!
If God has a religion it’s perfect. If God has a book –> It has to be perfect because God is perfect1
Genesis 1:31
And God saw all the things that he had made, and they were very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day.
God made the pig did He not?
1 Esdras 9:12
Now therefore give not your daughters to their sons, and take not their daughters for your sons, and seek not their peace, nor their prosperity forever: that you may be strengthened, and may eat the good things of the land, and may have your children your heirs for ever.
Strength is needed to eat pig, which was only called unclean because that’s what those at the time would’ve been had they have eaten it when they were taught not to.
Romans 14:1-3
Now him that is weak in faith, take unto you: not in disputes about thoughts. For one believeth that he may eat all things: but he that is weak, let him eat herbs. Let not him that eateth, despise him that eateth not: and he that eateth not, let him not judge him that eateth. For God hath taken him to him.
Titus 1:15
All things are clean to the clean: but to them that are defiled, and to unbelievers, nothing is clean: but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Philippians 4:13
I can do all these things in him who strengtheneth me.
Funny thing is, I don’t eat pig myself (I’ve tried and I gotta say I’m not a fan, you’re not missing anything), but I don’t judge those that do.
let us also understand that NONE of the original bible manuscripts | of ANYTHING FROM THE BIBLE | have existed since the year 325 AD. Now, did any of these exist before then? I am not positive, but we know they could NOT EXIST after that because -> all of them was destroyed
IF they existed anymore after the Council of Nicaea | this is a well-known and established fact | what happened during the Council of Nicaea?!
(1) They changed the date of the birth of Jesus Christ to -> December 25th.. We don’t know what date it was originally, but we know what it was not!
For sure it was NOT December 25th | otherwise, they would not have officially changed it to that date!
(2) also, they officially changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday at that time –
what day is the sabbath? |saturday or sunday|
the sabbath comes from the Hebrew word – a number | seven | the seventh day of the week and keeps it holy
when do we start counting the days of the week? Monday or Sunday? Sunday is number one | what happened?
according to the catholic church, this was one of the things that were changed during the council of Nicaea. They changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday – and justified it by calling it the day of the lord as this was the day the lord was lifted up|_o and so on ..
but only the real truth -> that Constantine was part of a cult
that worshiped the SUN! the invisible SUN, and it’s no way – that’s he is going to change his holy day to the new religion that he took over!
(3) They also added the worship of the Feast of Ishtar -> the Goddess of Fertility! | that’s why their representation of the eggs and rabbits -> symbolize fertility … and today this is known as Easter!
those that were then considered canonized at that time !!
my additional _ those that were then considered canonized at that time
<– from that point | we know that there was nothing ~
maybe before that | I don't know – because they came up with over a thousand documents in this council!
more than 200 bishops attended |_ Those who did not agree with Constantine, and the ones basically taking over that stage whether getting fired from their positions or killed | some were killed at that time | and all the books were destroyed,
have you ever wondered if the person who wrote it would have translated and interpreted it the way they wanted?
did you ask yourself where did get it the entire New Testament is not based on the Aramaic language but on either Latin or Ancient Greek both of which has translations and interpretations of what other people believed from the time of the destruction of those documents we are talking about!
as far as the references to these scriptures, let me encourage you to learn something from the real scholars of the text: Bart Ehrman is possibly the best in his field |
When he started serious studies of manuscripts, he came to know that a lot of stuff that they were saying was not true! they don’t have any evidence of what they said .. They just said to their students -> “believe this and that” I read his books and He says it very clearly in his books -> Lost Christianities, Lost Scriptures, and Misquoting Jesus
He claims that we no longer even have a copy or a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of anything from the original manuscripts.
therefore, it is irrelevant to say ” Jesus said, Jesus said, Jesus said.” and you say it in English, based on something you don’t know what!
It’s much better to go to the Quran and see what Jesus really said! because there are more written about Jesus and his quotes in the Quran than there is about Muhammad peace be upon him.
All of you and I know that none of the prophets peace be upon them all SPOKE ENGLISH. I mean seriously!!
because there are some people who run around with their bible~ really thinking that Jesus said what is written there, which is impossible because the language did not exist at that time.
The English language only existed after the Normans invaded the Saxons in the year 1066 AD. Prior to that, there was no English. whatever you have English it’s not the Quran, it’s not the New Testament, not the Old Testament.
You have to get into your mind! so if any language did not exist at the time, then nobody says anything in that language!
–> Now what has been translated COULD BE ANYTHING!
Mary was 14 years old when she was knocked up with Jesus.
I can’t remember, is it today that you’re allowed to beat your kids or was that yesterday?..
There is NO single verse in the Quran that says -> beating your child
but unfortunately in the bible |l we can see some l| _ you can argue with _
“Do not withhold correction from a child, For if you BEAT him with a rod,
he will not die. You shall BEAT him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell.” (Proverbs chapter 23 verse 13-14 New King James Version)
End of discussion…
You either follow your own feelings on this issue or you follow the scriptures given by Church} I don’t think It’s from Jesus_.
Read the text. It says what it says. You can interpret away “rod”
any way you want — like many Christians is doing! | to keep faith with this corrupted bible, but you can’t interpret away “beat”.
We have a little problem there. Many misconceptions because of ambiguous statements from the bible!
LAknat’s writing has really come along
Sretan Božić svima!!!
Just a little message for all those out there who think they have God all figured out (Laknat and Frenchman).
‘For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways’ saith the Lord.
I pray that all people come to the Peace and Joy that is to be found only in the Love of Christ our Lord.
The King is born!!!
Joy to the world!!!
Viva Christo Rey!!!
Neka Bog blagoslovi Hrvatsku i sve Hrvate!!!
so the Truth comes with the other name -> Frenchman
| at least he wants to know – what the Truth is – and I give him guidance!
Truth is more important than happiness and Truth always hurts.
Not many people from the west resort to peaceful terms when it comes to discussing religious topics!
even though there may be different beliefs, what we do as human beings are using the faculties which we have been given to discern what the Truth is, and if we are sincere to follow that truth and then you are also left in your mind to find that Truth. It’s the practice that makes you understand whether you have chosen the right path or not.
in my religion -> when we are told
to pray five times or not drink alcohol
don’t eat pork or don’t fornicate
and do everything in the right way
it’s because it benefits us.
it’s because we as humans this is our user manual
this is what tells us how to function correctly ||
if you are TRUE CHRISTIAN | if you are truly following the teaching of Jesus Christ peace be upon him –> then follow your bible |l
NO Gambling, NO Pork, NO Alcohol, NO Free Sex _o)
I know that if I am going to discuss a matter then it is only fair and proper that I familiarize myself with that information so that we can discuss it appropriately…
Now unfortunately the majority of atheists agnostics or people who can’t be bothered sort of thing even though they have a religion
I agree that it is important for all people of good will (those who revere God) to speak respectfully with one another.
God works in mysterious ways that are infinitely high above our ways of thinking. This is why our Lord tells us ‘Judge not lest ye be judged. For by the judgment with which ye judge others shall be measured out to you upon your judgement.’
All men will stand before God at the end of their lives and they will be judged by Him who is both merciful and just. I hope and pray that all men will find the Truth and repent before they meet their doom.
Christ, our Lord said ‘I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me.’ He also said ‘the Truth will set you free.’
The Truth never hurts! It always liberates.
Our Lord never said (nor does the Bible say), all truth will be found in any book!!! He did say that after He ascends to the right hand of His Father, He would send the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete who would guide us into all Truth. (Yes, yes laknat, I know that the Muslims believe that it is Muhammad who Jesus was referring to in this passage. We as Christians disagree. The Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles at Pentecost and from these humble beginnings has grown into what it is today. Yes, I am also aware that Christianity appears to be in decline (which is true) but this also was prophesied by our Lord when He speaks of His second coming. He wonders that when He comes again, ‘will there be faith on earth’. It’s called the great Apostasy and this is the way it’s supposed to happen.
I do not presume to try and convert anyone, that is not my job. It is the grace of God through the Holy Spirit who converts and leads men to know the Truth. The only requirements that the Lord places on all Christians is to love God with all their heart, soul, mind and being. And to love my neighbor as I love myself.
Of course if you love God you will follow His commands and the perennial and unchanging teachings of His most Holy body, the Church. The Church is not a museum for Saints but a hospital for sinners. Our Lord warns us that there will be wolves in sheep’s clothing (yes even in His most Holy Church there would be wolves, snakes and traitors just like Judas). That is why it is important to remain in a state of grace and have a strong prayer and sacramental life!
He also promised that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His ecclesia.
May God Bless us all in these crazy days with the grace and wisdom to know His will and the strength to do His will all the days of our lives!!!
Bog i Hrvati
Sv. Ivan Evanđelist, moli za nas
Sretan Božić
– The Truth always hurts –
because people are ignorant …
they are going to be upset –
when they know their place -> as a human | with a weakness
they should be realized |+
if you say -> liberates
then you just follow your desire!
everyone | says they are correct!
only a desire that makes them like that
you don’t want to be controlled with your desire, do you? _
It’s a battle for good things | you battle with prior yourself
so you need the rule to begin – then follow the Jesus teaching
where to find it –> in the bible | see for some good things that you believe it comes from Jesus {|(not from the Church)|}
Laknat, You are wrong. You say by being liberated one follows their desire…you do not understand …the Truth leads you to be liberated from false (sinful desire) and teaches you to desire what is right and just in God’s will. This is true liberation, if you follow your base desires you are merely a slave to yourself and you do not abide in the Truth.
The Truth, who is Christ Jesus, sets you free from the slavery of being a child of your age (this age being the age of hedonism, idolatry, utilitarianism, and scientism.)
‘We do not battle against flesh and blood but against the rulers, against the principalities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.’
Jesus said ‘without me you can do nothing.’
If you wish to fight against the darkness of the evil one, the enemy of all mankind, be baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and you will be victorious! Without Him you will be lost.
Mir stobom
be careful about the word -> liberation | _you even don’t know about your bible – and now like to use liberation as a wise word!
It’s similar to asking -> why should we follow a religion?
…. why Islam, why Judaism, why Christian …
why don’t we just follow the good things of all and that’s it finished!
-> But who will decide what is good and what is bad?!
For example in America wearing skirts and shorts is common | Western country .. it is modest | so for their -> wearing skirts and shorts is modest – so what is modest in America is not modest for Arab country }{ when my Arab girl went to the US -> they would say .. “you are Arab, not modest” |because of wearing hijab| or if it’s Indian girl -> sari | you show your belly
so for the American that the Arab and Indian girl is immodest.
Another case -> you go to certain Arab countries | don’t touch a woman when we great them |
In the western countries -> it is common if you shake hands |between a lady and a man| you called modesty ~
In the other western countries -> kissing a woman on the lips and the cheek is modest ~ you can do what you want | naked on the beach! who will decide what is right and what is wrong? If you say | select the best | then I will choose what I want -_> but what is best for me is not the best for you .. and that’s the problem!
then good for both of us to follow the Jesus teaching in the Bible, whatever is matching with the Quran – then it is accepted to be True –> see how to be modesty –
@LAknat
You can’t give me guidance when you’re not in the way, and it has not been given you to understand the scriptures, it’s been given to the Church (Body of Christ).
2 Peter 1:20-21
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
So @LAknat, who interprets the scriptures for you?
You see Jesus Christ is our peace who has made both Jew and gentile one by faith in Him (Eph. 2:14), the stone that the builders rejected becoming the head of the corner (the Church Eph. 5:23; Ps. 117:22), the Apostle Paul teaches that the church is the Body of Christ (Col. 1:24).
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.
Acts 9:4
And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
1 Corinthians 12:12-13
For as the body is one, and hath many members; and all the members of the body, whereas they are many, yet are one body, so also is Christ. For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free; and in one Spirit we have all been made to drink.
Matthew 28:30
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
The church interprets the scriptures.
John 15:4-6
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth.
Those words would be in red.
You tell me how your prophet abides in Christ, is with Christ, gathers with Christ, because without Him he could do nothing but he isn’t a Christian?
If you’re not Christian you’re an antichrist.
I need to up this comment ->
so what’s the definition of GOD | ALLAH | Father?
the best answer that any Muslim can give you is ->
from the Quran Al Ikhlas chapter 112 verse 1-4
“Qul huwa Allahu ahad”
(the only one God Allah)
“Allah hu samad”
(Allah the absolute eternal)
“Lam yalid wa lam yulad”
(Allah begets not nor is Allah begotten)
“Wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad”
(There is nothing like Allah)
let’s put it to the test for -> hu ahad | only one
is Jesus / father / holy spirit the one only? | I said the Father (the True God), Jesus is the messenger of Father and the Holy Spirit is the Angel Gabriel – the creation of Father
let’s put it to the test for -> hu samad | eternal
Jesus Christ in all my respect | is he a man like us? He is not sufficient | He eats, drinks, like a normal human_ why God must degraded _o| come on where is the logic!!
|Is Jesus eternal? if he was brought back from the dead, did he die? | yes he did, to pay for your sin?>> come on! -_> then you can rob – you can cheat – you can rape | and He will pay for – so no problem | it’s illogical !! The Cristian concept dies for the sins of humanity <– this is not mentioned in the bible!! |it's the wrong teaching of the church|
let’s put it to the test for -> Lam yalid wa lam yulad
| the son of God | ?? come on man…
do you know in the Bible God has sent ->
– Adam and called him “the son of God”
– Abraham and called him “the son of God”
– Israel “the son of God”
All those they are led by the spirit of God | they are the son of God | so if you are a righteous person -> you are a son of God
that’s the language of the bible 🙁 as far as calling the son of God to the righteous person. so Jesus was the messenger of God -> He should be called “the son of God”
But what the Cristian missionary says… NO | He is not a normal son | He is the begotten son
According to John chapter 3 verse 16 !! begotten son according to the famous scholars of the highest eminence 50 copy denominations. If you read the RSV | Revised Standard Version -> they say this word “begotten” is interpolation/concoction/fabrication
so Jesus has not begotten son because begotten means to the action of animals of lower-level 🙁 | see they are wrongly choosing the word | It’s meaning of righteous person – not for the opposition as begotten like an animal!
let’s put to the test for -> Wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad | nothing but like – Allah
That people Anti-Christ can describe your God as a child | as a human being – Jesus. The other religion -> with the idol worship | like a picture, an animal, a fire | that Atheist can mock them! … The moment that you can compare God to anything in this world -> that’s not God!!
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#3 is good
I’d literally give my left nut if that happens.
marin cacic rest in peace…his teta says he got the booster days before his heart attack…terible thing for his family on chrismas
@ Laknat – Sretan Bozic and WTF are you talking about ?
read your bible -_<
drinking alcohol is forbidden
doing fornicate is forbidden
(this is what happen at Christmas) |
where are you My friend, do you dare to put yourself into risk by assuming that Jesus agrees with this! very painful. my work is to convey you the truth!! | {|
most Christians nowadays -> they don’t actually follow their religion and they say they would or if you just walk down the street like what’s your religion -> I am a christian
then what do you do to prove your religion and to respect your religion and continue your religion?
they don’t do anything … there are many Christian but they don’t go to church every Sunday |
if you don’t know anything about the religion you were born in
if you have not read the books, if you have not gotten interested into it,
you just do not say okay my parents have the reason that -> you should not go with questions to people who are really into religion because you will be embarrassed.
SO you clearly didn’t ever get involved in bible study, into research about the religion, and you can’t call yourself Christian because you don’t know what you believe.
If you just believe that there is God with power -> don’t attach yourself to any religion because every religion which you should know to say you are a Muslim or a Catholic or a Christian. The people in the world –> they are not educated even in Islam people are not educated.
If you want to ask randomly some person, they won’t know – they just know to say they are a Muslim or a Catholic or a Christian!
There is a lot of people like that! who was born in religion -> but they don’t know about it!
remember -> our God Halilovic | the Truth | doesn’t celebrate Christmas –
that comes from pagan festival +|_ and has nothing to do with Jesus –
that is people bring their ideas into religion} to get more money
yeah .. yeah …
just like football — > it’s all about marketing
they are in favor of the rich team to win the tournament!
because they will make more money –
@LAknat
Yes it is a shame that Christmas has become so commercialised because of the carnal protestants and the communists.
It would be good for the only Christians, that being the Catholics, to remember that the day is all about the Word being made flesh.
John 1:1-5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 8:12
Again therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying: I am the light of the world.
The light of the world is not the false prophet Mohammed, remember that, for he is just a man.
Jeremias 17:5
Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
Now for my French team to smash some Croats in the UNL! Again!
And merry Christmas to @Markus, my good French brother.
If Mohammed was a false prophet –> He could not invite his people to the stories and teaching of Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus, and the God they used to believe, etc.
@LAknat
C’mon guy, you know that Mohammed is not needed to invite anyone “to the stories and teaching of Moses, Abraham, Noah,” people could still go to the pharisees for those if they wanted.
Everyone also knows that the law and the prophets prophesied about the Christ until John the Baptist, so the Christian was waiting for no one else, while the pharisees didn’t believe Jesus to be the Christ, and that’s why Jesus said to them,
“I receive glory not from men. But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you. I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive” (John 5:41-43).
I am interested in what a Mohammedan thinks about the Christ, whose Son is He?
Remember, it’s all about the Christ, “the stone that the builders rejected” (Psalm 117:22).
Thank you though for giving me the opportunity to remind these Yugoslavs here what Christmas is all about.
if you are sincere _ there has to be one ultimate truth |}
This is why Jesus came when the people of Moses went off the track –> they decided to worship other than God.. Jesus came to bring them back to the worship to worshiping 0ne G0d – because the core message of Jesus | the first commandment is to not worship any God except the one G0d ( and it’s One that was a core message of Jesus peace be upon him ) the same with Abraham, Moses and every other prophet said the same message.
Muhammad also came to the revelation | Quran | the complete book | well preserved |
because the people of Jesus – follow the glorious Roman |+ with the ideology of Trinity +|
of course, Christmas came from them |l
when Christianity combined with the Romans and they had a lot these paganistic beliefs and that was adopted within Christianity !!
so Muhammad the Final Messanger – Quran |
said -> there is no one worthy of worship except –> one almighty God | only the father | not son | not holy spirit | the true God – a singular entity |
@LAknat
So you’d think it would be the “final messenger” that will ultimately come back and defeat the Antichrist then, or whatever it is that you Mohammedans call him, but it isn’t is it? Tell the people who it is in your version.
The difference between the prophets of the Old Testament and Mohammed is that Mohammed didn’t prophecy about the Christ (that’s why the pharisees thought him a fool), he just made up a religion of his own, included Jesus in it to attract the Christians but believed about Jesus what the Arians and other heretics believed, that He was not the only begotten Son of God, which He obviously was.
Isaias 53:5
But he was wounded for our iniquities, he was bruised for our sins: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed.
John 17:5
And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.
It’s all about the Christ, c’mon now, whose Son is He?
But let me ask you this, I assume you’re a Croat, did the wrong people win at the Battle of Sisak?
I give you similarity _ you have to disapprove me | now your scholars preventing you they are hiding the truth from you
you are a logical man as an intelligent man -> it’s your duty to realize that your priests are hiding the truth from you
I give you so many references –> go and check it (verify) but after you verify | do you accept the last and the final messager?
if you are TRUE CHRISTIAN | if you are truly following the teaching of Jesus Christ peace be upon him –> you will go to paradise ||
but if you follow what Jesus Christ has said.. because He said: seek the truth and the truth shall free you (the gospel of John Ch.8 V.32)|
Now .. what you are following? –> are you following a church? –> or are you following Jesus Christ peace be upon him.
If you read the bible there are words of Jesus Christ peace be upon him _ Now ALL THE SAYING of Jesus Christ peace be upon him are in red letters.
Do you believe Jesus to be God? _
@LAknat
Listen, it’s not by reading the Scriptures, but by understanding them that the truth can be found.
You tell me the reason, why the prophets of the Old Testament say “Thus saith the Lord,” but Jesus Christ when He spoke says “I say unto you”? I believe it’s because He is the Lord.
Matthew 16:18
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Luke 10:16
He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
Matthew 28:19
Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
John 3:3
Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Are those words in red?
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.
Psalm 109:1
The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand: Until I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 22:41-46
And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying: What think you of Christ? Whose Son is he? They say to him David’s. He saith to them: How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying: The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word; neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
So if David call Jesus Christ “Lord” how is He his son?
Jesus is not God, read the book of Acts 2:22 to understand this:
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.”
Are you denying the verses of your bible that I quoted you? how can you say Jesus is God when he was a man! You quoted a statement from john 14:6.
You have to read the whole verse to understand the context:
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
(he was referring to the father, his God, so he was the way, not the destination, the destination is God)
Read John 20:17: Jesus said:
“Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’
your bible -> was corrupted | they took all the important part -> and mix it with the Church teaching about the mythology of Roman called -> Trinity _
one of the major reasons why a lot of people leave Christianity is because of the great amount of contradictions
but the Quran is the last and final revelation the words from the mighty God says in surah Al Hijr chapter 15 verse 9
God reveals the Quran and shall guide from the corruption | so this is how to judge -> right or wrong
see -> the Bible according to your scholar | not for the liar | it is a mixture
it does contain the words of God, the words of the prophet, and THE WORDS OF HISTORIAN
(based on some of the writings of some the writings of some the writings that might have been the followers of Jesus but definitely been corrupted))
🙁 so Gospel according to John
🙁 so Gospel according to Matthew
🙁 so Gospel according to Luke
what did Jesus speak? -> Aramaic
The New Testament was written in Greek. | that strange | since Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic (the common language of Judea in the first AD)
Greek was the language during the years of the composition of the New Testament – that anonymous authors include his story there in the New Testament
We love Jesus Christ we love the followers they were on the truth! but their writings are not what’s in here -> today
so what happen is when you had people writing down these manuscripts. Once they went past there they started to make an addition, substractions, guesses …
So what happens is you end up with not the same as this is not the word of God preserved!
see -> Exodus chapter 21 verse 20-21
“and if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished.
Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, He shall not be punished: for he is his property |}
so if you beat your servant if he lives one day No Punishment for you – what kind of God is this?! this is what Jesus preached?
Islam is the non-Cristian faith which our Quran says to believe Jesus Christ peace be upon him. No Muslim is a Muslim if we do not believe in Jesus Christ peace be upon him
– We believe that He was one of the mightiest messengers of God
– We believe that He was born miraculously
– We believe that He was the messiah
– We believe that He gave life to the dead with God’s permission
– We believe that He healed those born blind with God’s permission
the Christians and the Muslims are going together but only one that separates us _ because most of the Christians |almost all} they believe that Jesus Christ peace be upon him is almighty God. They believe He claimed divinity in fact if you read the bible |there is not a single -> unambiguous statement| in the complete bible where Jesus Christ peace be upon him (himself) says -> that “I am God -> always worship me”
do you know -> what a True Christian is?
I am giving you information about True Christianity is ..
If you read the bible Jesus Christ peace be upon him says :
– Gospel of John chapter 14 verse 28 -> MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM
– Gospel of John chapter 10 verse 29 -> MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN ALL
– Gospel of John chapter 5 verse 30 -> I CAN OF MY OWN SELF DO NOTHING as a year I judge and my judgment is just FOR I seek NOT MY WILL BUT THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
(Anyone who says I seek not my will but the will of almighty God is a Muslim (Muslim means a person submits to the will of God) so Jesus Christ peace be upon him submitted his will to God | so He is a Muslim | He never said he is God. It’s clearly mentioned in:
– Gospel of John chapter 14 verse 24 -> Jesus Christ peace be upon him says ” THE WORDS THAT YOU HEAR ARE NOT MINE BUT MY FATHER WHO HAS SENT ME ”
– book of Acts chapter 2 verse 22 -> Demon of Israel listen to this Jesus of Nazareth ” A MAN APPROVED OF GOD AMONGST YOU BY WONDERS AND MIRACLES / SIGNS WHICH GOD DID BY HIM AND YOUR WITNESS TO IT ”
(Jesus Christ is A MAN APPROVED of God AMONGST YOU by wonders and miracles which God did by him you are witness)
so from the bible, we come to know that Jesus Christ was of the most beloved messenger of almighty God | We love him We respect him |
If you compare what Jesus Christ peace be upon him says on the bible -_ We Muslims follow more of the teaching of Jesus Christ peace be upon him. We have to follow each and every law (Gospel of Matthew chapter 5 verse 17) everything on the old testament you can’t break!! -> it’s mentioned in the book of:
– Deuteronomy chapter 14 verse 8
– Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5
– Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7-8
You should not have Pork!! We Muslims don’t have Pork but most of the Christians have Pork
let’s continue with this ->
– Ephesians chapter 5 verse 18
– Proverbs chapter 20 verse 1
You should not have Alcohol!! We Muslims don’t drink Alcohol but Christians drink Alcohol
so if Christian means a person who follows the teaching of Jesus Christ peace be upon him, then we Muslims are more Christian than Christian themselves +
@LAknat
Psalms 44:8
Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Isaias 9:6
For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.
Who do you believe this child that will be called God the mighty to be?
The word that was in the beginning with God, the Word that was God, was made flesh, why do you think “God the mighty” comes back to defeat the Antichrist, or whatever it is you call him, and not Mohammed?
so what’s the definition of GOD | ALLAH | Father?
the best answer that any Muslim can give you is ->
from the Quran Al Ikhlas chapter 112 verse 1-4
“Qul huwa Allahu ahad”
(the only one God Allah)
“Allah hu samad”
(Allah the absolute eternal)
“Lam yalid wa lam yulad”
(Allah begets not nor is Allah begotten)
“Wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad”
(There is nothing like Allah)
let’s put it to the test for -> hu ahad | only one
is Jesus / father / holy spirit the one only? | I said the Father (the True God), Jesus is the messenger of Father and the Holy Spirit is the Angel Gabriel – the creation of Father
let’s put it to the test for -> hu samad | eternal
Jesus Christ in all my respect | is he a man like us?
He is not sufficient | He eats, drinks, like a normal human_ why God must degraded _o| come on where is the logic
is Jesus eternal? if he was brought back from the dead, did he die? | yes he did, to pay for your sin?>> come on!
-_> then you can rob – you can cheat – you can rape | and He will pay for – so no problem | it’s illogical !!
the Cristian concept dies for the sins of humanity Lam yalid wa lam yulad
| the son of God | ?? come on man . .
do you know in the Bible God has sent ->
– Adam and called him “the son of God”
– Abraham and called him “the son of God”
– Israel “the son of God”
All those they are led by the spirit of God | they are the son of God | so if you are a righteous person -> you are a son of God
that’s the language of the bible 🙁 as far as calling the son of God to the righteous person. so Jesus was the messenger of God -> He should be called “the son of God”
But what the Cristian missionary says… NO | He is not a normal son | He is the begotten son
According to John chapter 3 verse 16 !! begotten son according to the famous scholars of the highest eminence 50 copy denominations.
if you read the RSV | Revised Standard Version -> they say this word “begotten” is interpolation/concoction/fabrication
so Jesus has not begotten son because begotten means to the action of animals of lower level :_( | see they are wrongly choosing the word | It’s meaning of righteous person – not for the opposition as begotten like an animal!
let’s put to the test for -> Wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad | nothing but like – Allah
that people Anti-Christ can describe your God as a child | as a human being – Jesus. The other religion -> with the idol worship | like a picture, an animal, a fire | that Atheist can mock them!
The moment that you can compare God to anything in this world -> that’s not God!!
correction :
the Cristian concept has died for the sins of humanity Lam yalid wa lam yulad Lam yalid wa lam yulad
this one first:
the Cristian concept has died for the sins of humanity <– this is not mentioned in the bible!! |it's the wrong teaching of the church|
then this one:
let’s put in to the test for -> Lam yalid wa lam yulad
Salaam brother. Yes yes. Take it easy on the sljivovica
Commercialized because of communism? That’s a good one
The Russian Santa is called Ded Moroz, which roughly translates to Grandfather Frost.
Ask the Croats (or should I say Yugoslavs) what they call him?
What is this grandfather frost bullshit but a fat guy in commie red that’s been used to commercialise Christmas?
Merry Christmas!
Sretan Bozic svima!
Sretan Božić svim našim ljudima. Uvijek budite ponosni i sjajite kao svjetionik za sve.
Prosinečki is in a technical league of his own.
Most complete nogometaš?
the key man at Inter has been this season, stating “Perisic without a doubt. He has taken me by surprise with his ability to attack and defend throughout the game, and his decision-making in the final third is excellent.”
Perišić:
Two footed, two way player that can score any way you need.
Funny spoke to Stari today and the first thing he mentions is that Modrić is all clear from Covid.
Like Petrović before him, Modrić is member of all of our families.
@ Ziva
Sretan Božić
Sretan Božič svima!
Crosports …keep up the good work, we all appreciate the info, and more importantly the Community you have created here!
Merry Christmas to everyone. I can’t remember who it was that left a good post regarding Algeria for a bet for 2022. Thank you! Everything you wrote made 100% sense. Good hedge.
Question for everyone, who is Croatia’s most technically gifted player ever? My pick is Prosinecki.
Merry Christmas friends
With any luck, next year will be very merry after qatar!
It’s time for Croatian sports to get with the times.. it’s happy holidays. Not merry Christmas. Your exclusionist approach will limit your followers
This is a site for Croatian people, who are Catholic. Probably 99% of the sites viewers are Catholic, so how exactly are we “limiting” our followers?
Atheist/non religious is the fastest growing religion in Croatia followed by Eastern Orthodoxy and islam as more migration comes in. Judging by the strength of the sdp, probably under 50 percent of Croatians are Catholic at this point
Not according to the census, but keep gaslighting, lol.
The NT is our team. It’s not a global brand. They play for us.
For those of us that are Catholic and Croatian it will always be Merry Christmas.
Hey the Truth,
If you don’t want people to say happy birthday to you then that’s fine.
However, there are 2.3 billion Christians in the world that you are trying to change to your way if thinking.
When it’s New years day we will say Happy New Year, when it’s Easter we will say Happy Easter, when it’s Thanksgiving we will say Happy Thanksgiving, and when it’s Christmas, we will say MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Sretan Bozic nasi narod- let’s hope for a great 2022 – hope for lots of great stories including a World Cup victory in Qatar-
Sretan Bozic Ante and everyone here. Wishing you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas and all the best in the new year.
And may 2022 be a great year for our beloved NT.