Prva Generacija member, nije bitno, had the fantastic idea of Throwback Thursday for CroatianSports.com, where we would take a look into Croatia’s sporting history book. What better way to start this series than in the same week that Zvonimir Boban’s ‘kick heard round the world’ would symbolically be remembered as the unofficial start of the Croatian War of Independence on May 13th, 1990.
In a game between Dinamo Zagreb and Crvena Zvezda (Red Star) at Maksimir, a fight broke out between Dinamo’s Bad Blue Boys and Zvezda’s Delije, both firms of the clubs. When the riot carried out onto the field, Zvezda’s players hit the locker room while Dinamo’s stayed on the pitch. The incident took place just weeks after Croatia’s first multi-party elections in almost 50 years in which the parties favoring Croatian independence had won the majority of votes.
When Yugoslav police started beating on one Bad Blue Boy, captain Zvonimir Boban came in and kicked the policeman in retaliation. It will forever be remembered in Croatian history books as the kick that started the push towards Croatian independence.
Where were you?
@ Marko
In that case, I agree with you. I was just hoping you weren’t using a blanket stereotype for the entire penninsula…
There are plenty of Italian apologists all over Istra. Hell, I have some in my family. But in no way shape or form is that the majority in Istra now, from the times I’ve been there and from the diaspora here in NY.
@Armada87
I don’t disagree with you. I’ve known some Istriani who are more Croatian than anyone, cheer for the boys etc. All I’m saying is that I’ve also met a few (in Pula back in the mid 1990s) who weren’t in that category. Maybe it’s different in the diaspora, I don’t know.
*cheering
@ Marko
what about Istriani? what unique issues do we have? when I go to my local Croatian pub here in Astoria, Queens the bar is mostly Istriani and Dalmatinci fans cheer the boys on…
tread lightly, moj brate…
@Luka
Haha – hadn’t thought of it that way until now, but I like it.
@Marko
Serbs fighting Serbs in a derby. Love it.
I guess the take away here is that they were united in kicking the crap out of each other.
I can’t see much evidence of the Serbs being more united than us or taking more care of their own. OK, we’ll always have our own unique Croatian mistrust running between families of communists, ex-Yugos, domobrani, ustashi, and HSS. But at least (apart from some Istriani who have their own issues) we come together united for sport these days, so that’s progress in my book.
Here in London the Serbs have their own chetnik clubs and their ex-Yugo or communist clubs, and they don’t mix or like each other one bit from what I can see.
Did you read about the violence and riots at the Serbs’ Crvena – Partizan Belgrade derby match this weekend? That’s a sign of a seriously disunited people, even though they’re all meant to be from the same city…
@Ante B,
Yes, that was a similar moment. Sadly, that was expected coming from LA, however, I expected more from Croats from Croatia. “We can be our own worst enemies.” I agree 100%
@Raptore,
I agree. The Serbs take care of their own a lot better than we take care of our own.
Denis,
I can see where you would think we’re not as together but I think we are for the most part like the other groups. I went through the same thing you went through but not in Croatia and you were at the event. The Cro US water polo game in Pasadena. We got there early, set up our flags and banners in the corner where we thought our fellow Hrvati would join us and…nothing. They all scattered around and it was just our small little group. Fisto came up and that’s was it (not blaming you for staying down or anything). We can be our own worst enemies.
@ante B,
your right, the large serb population on the north side of chi probably despised seeing Kukoc in the team but on the other hand the Large Hrvat population on the south side were on cloud 9, i know Kukoc jeseys were on every corner in bridgeport
@Denis
i see exactly what your talking about, ive been in similar situations where i thought because were both cro we have a mutual connection & by the end i see the person does not share the same views, that’s just the way some of our people are, it’s a shame,
i personally know of a croat girl who while holidaying abroad met a serb & basically cut the story short she brought him back with her to get married, well anyhow once he arrived he slowly met fellow serbs through out the community, he got a full time job from 1 of his fellow serbs, he basically met friends that would invite him over constantly for Serb shin digs, to be honest i was surprised at how quickly he adapted to a new foreign land & culture, but with not the help of his fellows im not so sure the transaction would have been as easy..
im pretty certain our people would not offer the same hospitality to a new arrival.. or to say the least, a very few would..
@Ante B,
Nothing wrong with loving the lakers and hating Vlade. But I think there is something wrong if you love the lakers, then hate the lakers because of vlade.
@Luka,
Yup, sometimes I write things that I don’t really mean.
As far as Croatians in the diaspora, I feel that the Canadians are on a different level than us Yankees. Croatians in NY are pretty united for the most part.
You do make a good point about Italians from the south v. Italians from the north. San Pedro is full of Sicilians and they refer to themselves as Sicilians first and Italian second.
Maybe I am setting the bar a little high, but I just think that we are far far away from the jews. You can say what you want about the Jews, but they take care of one another.
Muslims, Mexicans, Indians, Koreans, Chiinese, etc etc all take care of their own. I don’t see that from the Croatians. I take that back, I dont see it as much as the others.
I remember a few years back while I was vacationing in Malta. I was there covering the Hajduk-Birkirkara match on my own. I happen to run into a group of Croatians just randomly vacationing there at the time. I introduced myself and was so excited to meet fellow Croats in Malta. After about five minutes, they tell me “Ciao”. I was like what the f…
They could have asked me to come have a drink with them Meet up a little later. Something.
I know a lot of the LA guys who loved the Lakers and hated Vlade. I thank God my Bulls demolished them in ’91. I’m sure the Serbs in Chicago couldn’t stand seeing Toni Kukoc on the team but loved seeing three championships.
@Denis Svircic
Understood and thank you for the clarification. I saw the words “So many” and to me that implies a large majority of Croatians are associated with Udba and from mixed marriages.
I actually think Croatians are a very strong united group. Look how they united in HRV and diaspora during the war. Every country has it problems. Ask a northern Italian what he thinks of a Southern Italian. Not a pretty saying and I won’t repeat it here.
Keep up the good work with the site.
@Ante B,
#7) Croatian Lakers fan in Los Angeles disliking the Lakers because Vlade Divac is on the team.
Those were some veliki hrvati. (sarcasm)
One of my favorite sports quotes of all time:
“You can be a lousy father, you can divorce your wife, you can move countries, but you can never change your soccer team.”
@Ante B,
Of course no one would wear a hajduk shirt with a star on it today. Thats not my point.
@Luka,
Appreciate the comment but I think you misunderstood. i’m not saying that we should befriend anyone that was in Udba. I am saying that there are Croatians out there that had an uncle a grandpa a great uncle a distant cousin, etc etc in udba. I would judge that person by who he is not by his family history.
Just like the example that I used with that pravoslav croatian soldier. What if his grandparents are serbian?
What brought an end to my relationship with my serbian friend was that I was pro gotovina, pro croatia, serbia was at fault for just about everything and he was con gotovina, a yugo, and “the war was a bad situation for both sides” was a Vlade Divac type inaccurate statement.
@ Ante B. and Poglavnik
Lol. On pelligrino and Heineken.
@Ante B
Love #6 🙂
My dad wouldnt have Heineken in his fridge because of the red star on the bottle.
Luka,
With Cons right? I know exactly how you feel. Our house refused to buy San Pellegrino for gemist. It had to be either Schweps or Crystal Geyser haha
typo “Incredible”
Incredibel at some of the statements on this topic.
@Denis Svircic
“So many Croatians coming from a mixed background.
So many Croatians with family members that were in Udba.”
This is a first. Maybe where you grew up but not what I experienced. Remember many Croats suffered and were killed because of the UDBA but I guess we should all sing kumbaya now and forget the past.!!!
@Raptore
Also no reason to chase a Serbian girl and beg her to date you. You can do better.
@Ante B. I remember as a kid my tata would not allow me to buy a pair of running shoes because it had the fuckin star on it. i remember him explaining the reasons. I always smile when I think of that moment.
Not all of them that’s for sure. Otherwise we wouldn’t have guys like nije bitno or Fisto, good and proud Hrvati with a defect though when it comes to the club they support. My question is who would wear one today to a Croatian function? My guess is 0.
Raptore,
I agree with you on your comment about serbs being more united than croats. Also, I like what you wrote towards the end. This is what we are here for at CSR.
I’m not sure about Serbian woman and their loyalty to Serbia. I don’t have any experience there, never dated a Serbian woman 🙂
@Ziva,
I don’t know about any of that what you wrote. I’m just talking about what Raptore mentioned in his last post.
@Ante B,
What about everyone that grew up in the 80s wearing a Hajduk shirt with the star? Are they not Croatian? Are they Jugos?
Saying you we’re Yugo growing up, dating a Serb girl, Serbs are more united than Croatians, having Serbian friends?!!
Just when you think you’ve heard it all, this site proves me wrong. This site, rather the comments, are/is like human beings in general. It can be the most beautiful thing when it wants to be and then can be the most horrible and awful.
#6) you were 5 and you were never allowed to put a star on your Christmas tree no matter how hard you cried because tata said it was communist and wouldn’t let you even if all of your American buddies would.
hahaah ziva, it is what it is, i was seeing a serb girl at 1 point, you know how hard it was to get her to consider dating a cro, extremely hard
for a lot of our females it doesn’t seem much of a big deal, ive heard & seen how many hrvatice dating serbs, like its no biggie, im not accusing all of our females, but we do have a lot of brainless females
serbs are united????? go ask the Krajina serbs how they were treated when they got in Serbia after Oluja. Ask the serbs in BiH what they think of the political leadership in BG.
Serb women are bigger whores than our women.
carry on….
@Denis ”I will say one thing about the serbs, they are a hell of a lot more united than we are. A lot more closer to the jews than we are. ”
I couldn’t agree with you more brother, that’s 1 thing that is truly disappointing about our great nation,
the closeness & looking out for one another is missing, the serb’s tend to look out for each other more, im not saying all of our people but a big majority are jealous of one another & are always trying to out do one another rather then lending a helping hand to a fellow croat..
Serbian females tend to be more loyal to there Serb culture as well, you see a lot of our Hrvatica dating other race’s & cultures, but the serb females tend to stay inside the boundries & keep the serbian lineage alive..
Ive never been able to figure out how or why they can be so disloyal to their parent’s teachings..1 of the mysteries
I just hope Croat’s worldwide have respect for one another & unite, stop all the bullshit & look out for 1 another, from 1 Hrvat to another.. Sisters & Brothers, because loyalty & commitment will make sure our Nation thrives in the future..
Yeah yeah yeah cry me a river
4) Savo, Dravo, Drino teci is in your version of Lijepa Nasa
@Poglavnik,
Yes, it is a site to see when we are united. Thanks, we are trying.
@Raptore,
You make some good points. I am not here to judge. If you have good serbian friends then that is your business. I had a good serbian friend in high school but we slowly drifted apart. Politics would always come up even when we tried to stay away. It was fun talking shit cro sports vs. serbian sports. Of course he praised the stojakovic’ and Divac’ of the sports world.
I will say one thing about the serrbs, they are a hell of a lot more united than we are. A lot more closer to the jews than we are. We are trying to change that here at CSR
haha @ziva, i knew i was a full blooded hrvat, but i also knew we were living under the yugoslav rule as a nation, my parents taught me that we where hrvati at a young age & that we were from vojvodina & slavonija, were not here to talk about how croatian we are & who is not croatian enough
i’ll be honest & say i have a few serb friends & they are good enough to respect the fact that im a proud Hrvat, you can not judge every person by the actions of their leaders, their are some good Serb’s & Bad 1’z, same goes for Croat’s good & bad.. ive lost family in the wars but im not 1 to blame every living serb alive..
I agree, it is a bit much at times, but it makes that much sweeter when we actually do unite for a common cause. It’s a beautiful sight to see, and you guys are definitely helping with that!
I’m not saying let’s hold hands and sing kumbaya. I’m just saying let’s not be the first to judge. Our ancestors were quick to judge. All they had to do was ask one question: “Ciji si ti?” The answer would solve each and every one of their questions.
@Denis
Hatred amongst regions is common everywhere. Canada, USA, Hrvatska, you name it! Nothing wrong with that until it comes times to unite, such as national sports or war. Oh and by the way, all Hrvati are inferior to Hercegovci!!! 🙂
“some of your parents have failed you.”
One of my least favorite quotes.
“We should create How you know you were Croatian in the Diaspora during Yugoslavia list”
unbelievable how some of you come up with these “lists.”
Why not have everyone write down their family tree to see if there is a trace of Serbian or Muslimanac.
A cousin of mine had a good friend that served Croatia on the front lines and was lucky to return home. Dude is pravoslav with a Serbian last name. Tell him that he’s not Croatian.
So many Croatians coming from a mixed background.
So many Croatians with family members that were in Udba.
So many croatians with a Serbian last name.
List goes on and on.
WE ARE HERE TO UNITE!!!
Last example, how many dalmatinci call themselves dalmatinci before hrvati? Lots of hatred against Zagreb.
I remember hearing a few years back, “prije nam sidija Beograd na glavi, sad nam sidi Zagreb na glavi.”
How many purgeri have I interviewed that would rather have Dinamo win Champions League over Hrvatska winning the world cup. How many dalmos have said the same?
so much hatred amongst us hrvati.
As my boy Ziva would say… “some of your parents have failed you”
2) Your Grb doesn’t have a pineapple on top of it
3) Your parents made you speak Croatian at home, taught you to sing and made you wear Croatian shirts during the 70’s and 80’s
1) April 10th is Independence day
We should create How you know you were Croatian in the Diaspora during Yugoslavia list
The Croatian diaspora had one of the strongest identities during communist Yugoslavia thus it’s silly if your parents didn’t teach you that you were in fact Croatian.
Most Croats, once exiting Yugoslavia and freed from bondage, loudly expressed their Croatianhood and congregated in various forms (already mentioned on this thread). There was no excuse if you didn’t identify as a Croat outside of Yugoslavia.
Expressing Croatian patriotism within Yugoslavia was, to say the least, extremely dangerous. There were periods of time when the repression eased-up for numerous reasons, swinging back and forth from a relaxed repression to a murderous one. The Yugoslav government would practice the method with brilliance to entrap patriots (the Croatian Spring in the early 70s is the prime example). The fact of the matter is, Croats (and others) were being jailed and murdered right up to the dissolution of the monstrous state.
Obviously, nationalities weren’t denied in communist Yugoslavia, and it wasn’t against the law to declare yourself a Croat (and many did), but even the slightest expression of patriotism would bring you a world of trouble and danger.
@Raptore…..Did you grow up in the former yugo????? Because in N. America there is no chance a croatian kid grew up not knowing he was croatian. Only ay that would have taken place is if the parents were self-hating hrvati.
i had 2 macodonian’s & a slovenian female in my class in early elementary & every 1 of them claimed yugo, thats the weird thing, the macodonian was a good friend of mine & in the later years he claimed makodonija with pride, shows how things changed..
im not for certain but im guessing his parent’s told him what he was at home but told him they were part of yugo & that’s what he went by..
i know there’s some Macodonians that are on the Croat’s side & dislike serbs & i know there is some who prefer serb’s & wish yugo still existed, his family most definitely liked Cro’s because i remember him constantly dissin on Serbia, all types of jokes, ahah good memories, his name was Mile, dude was a good friend of mine in those days
I don’t know how this even came up. Never, have I ever, heard a Croatian refer to themselves as a yugoslav or not promptly correct someone that called them a yugoslav. Not there, nor here (in the states). Actually, the original idea for yugoslavia was that it was a confederation of countries all running themselves inside of yugoslavia, but of course confederations don’t work and all the power was centralized in Belgrade. Any way, there are only three people that refer to themselves as yugos: serbs, muslims and mixed bosnians. My hairs also stand on end when they refer to “us” or “our people”. Look, I get that we live close to each other, we share some shit, but serbs and fucking Igor in mother russia are the same shit to me. We were forced into yugoslavia, and only spent less than 70 years there, our history is much longer than that going back to our first king
I too never in my life said I was Yugoslavian. One of my first memories was my parents telling me I’m a Hrvat. And that we speak Hrvatski. They never said Serbo-Croatian.
They also explained that there were Slovenians, Serbs, Muslims, etc. In my household clear distinctions were made.
Ziva,
This is what the LA and Pedro parties were from 1998 to about 2006-7 aka the Golden Years. Great, great memories and friends made.
“But, the “I hate every Serb festa” is a damn good festa. It’s usually a 24 hour drink all you can, eat all you can, sing ustase tunes all you want type of festa. I like those kind of festas. We need more of those type of festas.”
hahah @ante b, im not talking about recent times in a western world, im talking about the commo era in the homeland, catholic schools were not permitted & nor where orthodox schools, neither were croat soccer tournies, so i find it hard to believe you would still know who was who
Bravo, now that ziva dissagreed you all know im right, because 99% of the time ziva says something its utter bullshit,
i find it funny how many have no knowledge of the commo era, ziva your scrawny ass wouldn’t be typing away on the internet everynight if the commo rule was still in effect, so show some respect for the soldiers who fought for out independence, your making it out if we were always free to show Hrvatski pride even through out the commo years, your taking away from our victory, you should be painted yellow & thrown into north korea to experience true communism you would quickly change your mind..
nije bitno how old are you ?, im not saying your younger then me, i lived through those years as well, im just saying ive talked to many of our elders, not from my family but from many many family’s & i know my history man.. this didn’t come from 1 person or reading a book, it come from word of mouth from many different villages, town’s & city’s
@Mustafa why don’t you get of the serbs dicks peder, a guy talking about dick sizes online, come on man, go to a queer site which does so, you’ve come to the wrong place.. fag
Toooooo Luka majstore!!!!
No way. Growing up you knew who was who. Croatian school, church, Croatian picnics, celebrating Deseti travanj, Croatian soccer tournaments in Canada/USA, list goes on. All the people I came across associated themself as being Hrvati.
Greetings from San Jose airport. I am heading down to Princess and Referree country (read: LA). Time for some input from your favorite ustaski Purgercic.
I never in my life said I was a Yugo, especially growing up. I had a Yugo kid in my class who called me one. I told him to meet me on the playground after school and from that day I was also Croatian. I remember doing the Pledge in 5th grade and the teacher asked me to do something a Yugoslav would do. Told her I have no clue since I’m Croatian. I echo nije bitno, Ziva and the other Hrvati here.
@ Dejan you could always start http://www.balkansports.com hehe
@ Dejan
That’s a silly comment. This website is dedicated to Croatian Sports–as such articles will be pro-Croatia. If you thought you were gonna find pro-Yugo nations stuff here, boy, you came to the wrong place.
That’s a great article. Boban stood up for his people without hesitation. Even with personal sacrifice, being banned and missing out on WC ’90.
sigh…I wish this website wasnt so well pro-croatia but pro former yugo nations. I’m from croatia but I mean this is kind of a ridiculous article.
@ Matan Spalatrin
You forgot to add:
6) Physical Strength
7) Intelligence (arguably our biggest advantage over the Serbs)
While Croats, from time to time, like to remind Serbs that propaganda and mythology only go so far, Serbs continue to make propaganda and mythology their national sport.
Serbs, with total hypocrisy, perpetuate double-standards, a contempt for logic and silly mythology.
Just because I, as a Croat, like to remind Serbs that their ancestors may have in fact been Croats, and not the other way around, doesn’t mean it’s what defines Croatian identity.
Conversely, perpetually trying to convince their neighbors that they are “really Serbian,” is central to the Serbian identity. Serbs make false claims on their other neighbors, too. But their favorite target is the Croats. Why do they keep doing that? Something tells me they’re not very confident in their identity and not very convinced that they’re Serbian, and to compensate they declare all others to be Serbs as well!
It’s a pretty sad and pathetic, because the Serbs don’t even realize what an absurd and paradoxical situation they constantly place themselves in.
For instance, why did you insist that Martinovic is a Serbian surname? Use the same logic and insist that it’s Croatian. What’s stopping you? There’s nothing that could prove that Martinovic is really a Serbian surname that, hey, some Croats carry as well.
Double-standards. Bias. Or a deluded consciousness. That’s what’s stopping you.
On the contrary, I’ve done no such thing. There are many ways to tell them apart. But surnames are the absolute worst way to attempt it. And, remember, not all Serbs and Croats share surnames. That’s just one group.
How do Serbs and Croats differ?
1) Linguistics
2) Genetics
3) History
4) Religion
5) Territory
And, probably the most important, ETHOS.
@Matan Spalatrin
You just made a strong case that Croats and Serbs are the Same people LOL. No way to tell them a part. I actually want a greater Croatia. This will never happen unless we can make an agreement with Serbia. Eternal war is not an option.
Love the history of sports idea boys, nice work NB!
Forgot how well Boban could “Climb the ladder” 🙂 !
Beware of Timmo. It appears he’s trying to sell the greater-Serbian myth that many Serbs – whether willingly or forcibly – converted to Catholicism and accepted a new-found Croatianhood.
A lie.
In fact, being that the Serbian Orthodox Church enjoyed privileged status during the Ottoman empire, many Catholic Croats converted to Serbian orthodoxy. That’s how it happened, and not the other way around.
Ever onder why the muslims in BiH (the muslims in Serbia were eradicated a century ago, save for Gusinje & Plav in Montenegro) preserved their Islamic faith, while the Orthodox Serbs preserved theirs as well? Privileged status.
Croats, for instance, in BiH remained both Catholic & Croat only in the parts where the Franciscans were strong (modern-day West Hercegovina and central Bosnia). Where the Franciscan influence was weak or completely eradicated, many otherwise Croats and Catholics converted to Serbian orthodoxy. The Serbian church which was and is a political instrument, enjoyed privileged status and was much stronger than the Catholic church (enemy # 1 to the Turks) for 500 yrs. The occupation took its toll.
That’s why we now have Serbs and “Serbs” in the oddest of places spread across original Croatian lands. Some came with the Turks, some were converted, many, many more were killed.
FYI: Martinovic is in fact a Croatian surname. It is, in these post-modern times, a Serbian surname as well.
To claim that certain shared surnames among Croats and Serbs are exclusively Croat or Serb – is absurd. You can only go as far as saying that some shared surnames are either more characteristically Serbian or characteristically Croatian. Example: Jovic is a characteristically Serbian surname, but many Croats, that have NO Serbian lineage, and never did, carry that last name.
Example 2: Vojislav Seselj, one of the more prominent greater-Serbian mythologists and ideologues has a characteristically Croatian surname.
Example 3: Vuk Draskovic, another prominent Serbian mythologist and politician, has a characteristically Croat surname. There was also a house of Draskovic, Croatian nobility. The family supplied 4 Croatian bans (Viceroys).
I can go on and on, but this will suffice.
@raptore
joj koji si ti kreten
For you guys that follow Euro-Nationlism. Its seems Afro-Centrism is falling apart. Still no major civilzation in Sub-Sahara Africa.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html
I think they did a study and Serbs have bigger penis.
There are some genetic similarities. But overall Croatians tend to be stronger and more clever, a by product of our centuries of survival.
serbs are very close genetically with hrvati. if they convert to catholicism i would consider them a croat
I don’t even think the Croatian people or local assembly even voted to be in a Union with Serbia after WWI. The Allies just handed Croatia over to Serbia on a platter.
Allies should have allowed Croatians to determine their own destiny, and form a Nation. That’s the righteous thing to do.
The truth is that after WW1 the allies handed Croatia over to Serbia. This was her prize for being with the allies during the war. When the Ottomans were overthrown the Serbs got this idea that now was their time to reclaim their destiny. 500 years of Turkish occupation has given them brain damage. They are forever fucked mentally.
I agree with Elvis. He is what he feels he is.
First off. We were well ahead of serbs in this category well before 500 years ago. They didn’t even have last names they picked them up from us for the most part. So they do have alot of our last names.
@Anonymousvich
If he says he is Croatian then he is. Now Someone like Sammir I dont think so.
Nije…..are they serbs if they coverted 500 years ago but still have last names that are Serbish. Answer my question..Are they Croats or will they always be Serbs and thus they should leave Croatia because that is the attitude here.
I have a friend whose last name is Martionvich and is Catholic and considers himself Croatian but that is not a Croatian name.
There were some serbs that have lived in Cro for centuries that fought for Croatia in the domovinski rat. Those Serbs i tip my hat off to.
But, the “I hate every Serb festa” is a damn good festa. It’s usually a 24 hour drink all you can, eat all you can, sing ustase tunes all you want type of festa. I like those kind of festas. We need more of those type of festas.
I hear crickets………….
QUESTION?
What do we do with the Serbs that converted to Catholics and consider themselves Croats. Just curious on what their status is?
Serbs are people like us. Cetniks are scum but lets not turn this into I hate every Serb Festa.
Well they can keep trying but its not going to happen. They better take another route instead of going through Croatia to conquer europe cause they know what happened last time lol
Communism was forced on us. The allies handed us over to them and that fuck Stalin. While the West rebuilt, grew and prospered we lived like second class citizens. We cannot let in return in any form.
@Nije
You really need to study Islam. It will not stop until we are all muslims. If you value being a catholic this should be a big fear. Now someone will say whats the difference? Both are middle eastern religions that our ancestors did not create. Maybe we should dump both? However, I have two daughters and to be honest while I am alive no way they become anyones property like in Islam.
Raptore – i was born during the yugo era so was my dad and so was everybody else in my family wtf are you talking about bro! Not as young as you think buddy…
You obviously cant comprehend what you read cause if you could, you would understand what i wrote in my post. Seems like your the youngster or just illiterate.
I’m with jarac, nije bitno and Luka………. you knew who the hrvati were, you knew who the jugos were and you knew who the serbs were.
Anyone that called themselves a yugoslav is, was not, and never will be a hrvat.
@Raptore…….people may have been scared of the commies, but you still knew which direction they went.
God bless all the parents who raised their kids to say they were Croatian/Hrvati. And may God strike lighting on the parents who raised their kids to say they were a jugo. it still pains me when i hear people say “we are all the same”. kurac, all the same.
Raptore – i was born during the yugo era so was my dad and so was everybody else in my family wtf are you talking about bro! Not as young as you think buddy…
You obviously cant comprehend what you read cause if you would understand what i wrote in my post. Seems like your the youngster or just illiterate.
But they keep voting the communists back into power?
the matter of the fact is eventually our great nation fought for independence & achieved what we always wanted to..
it’s a great sight to see our beautiful Zastava flying freely through out Hrvatska
Anonymous – They can and they do. If your talking about primitive countries where people live in poverty and have no education then absolutely not! If we all went by religion we would all be able to live in one country peacefully cause in religion there is no bad. It’s people that are uneducated that twist religion and brainwash people to make them think otherwise. I’m not a fan of the muslim religion by any means because it’s the only religion that was spread by sword, bloodshed and rape. The activities that go on today in the world by muslims is purely primitive, uneducated, brainwashed acts. There are Stupid Christians out there too. They create cults and claim they are the messiah and have people do all kinds of crimes as well.
exactly my point brother Anonymous , spies were everywhere..
nope im not saying we were yugo, our ancestors lived under the yugo rule, that’s all im saying, us hrvats have our own blood line, & serbs have there own, 2 different bloodlines forced to co-exist & claim 1 to the rest of the world
And another thing there are to many people claiming to be big Hrvati during the communist occupation. The fact of the matter is that there were spies in every village and dont forget the Yugo secret police killed Croats outside the country. This in turn lead to Croatian counter attacks like the air line bombing etc etc. However, you cannot blame anyone for going along with the Yugo crap. How many of you in 1980 knew that Yugoslavia would break up?
nije bitno you need to talk to some 1 who actually lived through the jugo years, & im not talking about the independence wars, all you youngins who claim to know everything need to do some research on the nation you claim, because i can guarantee you , if you claim your distant relliez were waving hrvat flags & screaming Bog I Hrvati through out those years, you are mistaken & your family would have been taken to Goli Otok or worse, a relative of mine was sent there & believe me ive heard crazy stories about how brutal it was there, this is were many anti-communist people were sent – i advise you to do some research – you learn something new everyday, Hrvatski pride was shown in closed doors through out those years..same story goes for the Serbs, that’s what you call communism..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok
What does it matter? There are fools here that think Catholics and Muslims can co-exist in the same country.
Bottom line is, there were croats in yugo that felt, lived and breathed only croatia. They had to hide it obviously but that’s besides the point. A lot of them didn’t hide it and ended up in jail or dead. People in the diaspora that said they were yugo, either didn’t know any better or they actually felt yugo and liked it.
Your story about Bosnia is correct but how does that go with what we are talking about? It’s seems like your trying to say that we were yugo first (like bosnians were croats/serbs before the ottoman empire) and then croats.
Raptore read my post
nije bitno, thats all propaganda, your family must have been from a small predominately hrvat village, cause i can assure you when communism was in town, people were sh** scared, even your own neighbours would rat you out for nationalistic pride, rat’s were rewarded for snitching on people, your still young & miss informed, i wish it was as you said, but sadly it wasn’t
what your saying is just like saying the muslimani have always been in bosnia & are not of croat or serb decent, it’s bullshit, bosna muslimani are mostly of croat & serb heritage & off course some have turkish lineage, but the fact is bosnak’s were croat’s & serb’s who converted due to fear during the otoman empire regime..
No way. Growing up you knew who was who. Croatian school, church, Croatian picnics, celebrating Deseti travanj, Croatian soccer tournaments in Canada/USA, list goes on. All the people I came across associated themself as being Hrvati. I came across a few jugos in high school but they were lost. Never saw them in the Croatian community. I do remember on a few occasions someone preaching bs about jugo and Tito and the fucker got his head kicked in at a picnic. As for the homeland similar story as Nije bitno.
Raptore – I couldnt disagree with you more. There were people here in the diaspora that never said they were yugo and there were people in the homeland that never said they were yugo. Thats why Udba and milicija were popping all those people. People died and got arrested right? So your statement is false. That may be your story and how it went for your starci but that doesn’t mean it was the same for others. Good story my dad told me. When he went to to the army (cause you had to back then) he was stationed in Bitola. Croats with in that whole vojarna aka (kasarna) would get together and drink and sing croatian songs. Away from the others obviously but they still did it. Not everyone accepted that they were yugo and said it. They just said it when they had to and that was it but they didnt live and breathe the shit.
not sure colin, he possibly did, Boban’s a true vojnik with out the attire
lazes ko srbin jarac, havent got time for your little kiddie games, i lost family in the wars & know my stuff, i took the time to listen to my elders & hear their stories while they were still alive, they lived through out it all, the 1’s that avoided conflict would usually cut of a few fingers, but then again you think it was all fine and dandy & every 1 was dancing around the streets with their Hrvatska zastava while Tito ruled with an iron fist..
yes were a proud nation, but my point is people would never flaunt what they were back in the day..& your trying to tell me otherwise.. go figure..
Didn’t the cop who got kicked by Boban eventually come out an apologize to him?
@Raptore,
Jebote pas mater o cemu ti pricas, seres gluparije dude.
I know exactly what I’m talking about. My father never once called him self a jugo, thats the difference between me and you kiddo. I am not as young as u think. my dads selo was pro pavelic dude none of them ever liked jugo. Yes people were scared of shit, thats why they kept there mouths shut. But most people act naive. When communist try to get my grandpa to joing the party, he pretended he didnt know what it meant and the guy left him alone. I dont get ur point.
look at that son of a bitch bend the baton over a Boban’s arm, never really noticed the baton bending..
especially in our homeland, people were afraid to talk about nationalism, people who showed any sense of pride where thrown into goli otok, & people carried on those values even in western worlds, most people went with those values till the death of jugo because of fear..
man, maybe amongst really close friends you would, but to the general pop it was Jugo, that is what point im trying to get across, ask your parents kiddo & you will soon find out how it was, the only way you would really know is if you were pravoslavci or catholic & its not like people went flaunting that, otherwise no 1 knew, you could make assumptions but you were never sure,
even sinisa mihajlovic said growing up in vukovar before the war you never knew what people were, only by who they followed you could guess, diniamo or zvezda,
your probably young & didn’t grow up through the time, jugo was not your choice but you were forced to be jugo, you wouldn’t even know the stories about krizni put would you ? off course not
i dont know about ya’ll but it was simple where i was from, every kid at school said they were a hrvat was hrvat, and anyone who said jugo was either serb or 5th generation and had no clue about anything
I remember that day, i would have been about 8 or 9 years old at the time, back then at school you never knew who was Hrvat or serb, every 1 just claimed jugo, & eventually 1 by 1 people started claiming their true heritage, & people who once seen as friends were now viewed as enemies,
who remembers Tomislav Ivcic’s song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVklBX4f4Z0 ,
people who were’t even Cro were buying the tape, a few of my phillipino friends even had it, dude had a good idea, just hope all that paper went to where it was needed..
@Cico
You forgot to add Dinamo.
Bog, Hrvati, Dinamo, Hajduk I Hns.
Hns, Anon. , Idiot , & Pizda (all the same Girl ) ! I remember watching that video , and being so mad at those Idiots coming to Our Land – Stadium , and destroying it ! Was so pissed not to be there to help Our Croatian Brothers !! Boban did a Great thing that day showing the World that Croatia needed to be Free ! Bog, Hrvati, Hajduk , i HNS !!!
Croatia airlines strike!
This story says that the few Croatian businesses will move production to Bosnia. How much do you Hipsters want to bet that there will be an inflow of third world labor into Bosnia to work at these Croatian factories. Probably muslims?
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/23343/46/
@Armada87
Unfortunately i do not think Cico/Sime/TorcidaSplit (all the same person) would agree with your statement of . 9:55 am.
Oh well, life goes on.
lol good one @ Armada87
I heard Halilovic is going to the Galaxy to replace Beckham. Part of the deal is Halilovic will become mayor of San Pedro.
I hope a German team snags up Halilovic
No surprise, Kovacic expects Modric to stay in Madrid:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2013/05/16/3983693/kovacic-expects-modric-to-stay-at-real-madrid?source=breakingnews&ICID=HP_BN_2
Inter Milan going after Halilovic
I think all of us that day could say..
DINAMO JA VOLIM
Great idea. Seems like May is a huge month for Croatians with Bleiburg, Jasenovac, Boban’s kick, etc.
I was either 8 or 9 at the time and I remember pokojni talking about it with his buddies. Back then all of the news you would hear would be third hand and via snail mail when we would get newspapers and VHS tapes. One of my first memories was staring at a 1982 Dinamo poster we had on our wall, then I remember wearing a jersey and then 1990 rolled around. Once I saw Boban take that kick, I knew I would be a dinamovac and Hrvat until the day I die. I grew up Croatian and even though I had it instilled in me at a very young age, it came to fruition after this kick. That’s when I started hearing words like rat, cetnik, Ustasa, murjak, komunjara and finally slowly realizing what they were. To some this day marks the beginning of the war and I fall into that category. Watch Igor Hamer on Nedjeljom u 2 if you ever get the chance.
BBB BOG I KONJICA
NEK NAM ZIVI DINAMO
I MAJKA HRVATSKA!
Nice story NB, and great idea for this site!
@nije bitno
Great post.
@Blatobran
Regarding Boban and the HNS and HNL. I doubt he wants anything to do with either. He currently has a good gig going.
@Elvis haha yeah I guess I am all over the news around him. I have a lot of free time because I work from home.
I used to think he was going Bosna… now I am 99% sure he will play for us
What makes you think Boban would be the answer leading the HNS or HNL. He failed in previous business projects he was involved in.
Legendo. Too bad he wants nothing to do with HNS or HNL. That’s gotta tell you something about the state of sports in general in Croatia.
Shit Show.
@nepoznat
You are really excited about this kid. However, his father wil influence who he plays for and I just have a gut feeling he will go to Bosnia.
Zvone Boban a legend in so many ways. After that kick it doesn’t matter what club you rooted for back then, Dinamo that day had a spot in all Croatians hearts. My father had an old Toyota pickup and on the back of the bed it had Toyota spelled out in big letters. In one of the O’s there was always a hajduk sticker, about a week after this event my dad (huge hajdukovac) put a dinamo sticker in the second O. All through out the war and until he got rid of the truck, he rolled around with those two stickers. A lot of the dalmatinci made little jesters here and there but his answer was that hes a croat and loves everything croatian. During those times (war) Hajdukovci, Dinamovci and most other croatian clubs and fans were united. When all Croatian fans are united there is no better atmosphere and no other country even comes close to replicating it.
Great way to “KICK” off the very first throw back thursday.
Did you all see what Halilovic’s Bosnian grandfather had to say about where to play?
http://www.sport.ba/fudbal/volim-bosnu-ali-radi-alenove-buducnosti-bolje-neka-igra-za-hrvatsku/
One of the best moments in Football Hooligan History.
BTW Tot looking at Rebic
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Sports/2013-05-16/33450/Tottenham_offers_5_million_pounds_for_Ante_Rebic
I was in middle school at the time, I just remember my father being worried for my grandparents who were still in Yugoslavia at the time. Their island was never in any danger nor even close to any fighting however
I remember that day and thinking to myself a war is coming. Never forget BBB, Dinamo and Boban. Thanks for posting this story. Great idea to remember the past.
Legend