After a 2-1 loss to England on Friday, the Croatia U-21’s face the Three Lions again in Vinkovci Tuesday night. The Croatians will need a victory in the second match of their Euro 2015 playoff or their run will be over. With an away goal in England already to their name, all Croatia would need is a 1-0 win to get them into the 8-team tournament next summer.
Marko Livaja opened up the scoring in the 13th minute in the opening match, but a 58th minute Harry Kane equalizer and an 85th minute Saido Berahino penalty would get the job done for the English. If Croatia can get past England and make it out of group stage at Euro 2015, they would qualify Croatia for the summer Olympics in Rio, Brazil for the first time ever.
Alen Halilović and Mateo Kovačić will not be available for this match.
Oh no I lost your respect?! What ever I going to do? I won’t be able to fall asleep til 8 o’clock at night..
btw and for the record…I’m not yet involved in this conversation but I wanted to point out that I am Slavonac from Canada and not Slavonac!
@Horvat wasn’t trying to be critical of the Pope, as I agree and appreciate your post. The Church has taught me to resist the burden of hate.
The power of Christ compels you!!!
The Pope is not saying anything that contradicts the Catechism or anything the Church has ever taught for 2000 years.
We are called to love, not judge, and to be brothers with every person who has ever lived. That includes serial killers, Hitler, the very people who torture us to death etc…
Article 2357 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains why homosexual ACTS are sinful and immoral. It also states that people with same sex attraction “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided”.
Having same sex attraction is in itself not a sin. IT IS A TEMPTATION TO SIN. Most people who have same sex attraction have not chosen that. However, choosing to act on that temptation is a sin. We all have different temptations to sin and we are free to act or not to act on them.
Also, the Church is not picking on people with this particular temptation. The Church teaches that sex is supposed to be sacred and that it is only for a legitimately married husband and wife. Therefore, all sexual acts outside of marriage are gravely sinful and immoral. That includes all heterosexual acts, not just homosexual.
Their are many devout Christians who have this temptation who with the help of Gods grace are living a chaste life by choosing not to act on their temptation.
Many of these individuals have been healed of this temptation by the power of Christ. Nothing is impossible for God.
There is a catholic ministry called “COURAGE” (run by people who have struggled with this themselves) that help people who struggle with this temptation.
We all have a choice, we can deny our sins, or we can confess them to God so we can be forgiven and even healed of them (whatever they may be).
It was love that motivated my mother to tell me that all the heavy metal music, posters, t shirts, etc… that I used to have were destructive to me and that they never make me happy.
Therefore, it is not hate but love to tell your brother that what he is doing is destructive and will lead him to Hell if he doesn’t stop. In other words, we should correct our brothers and sisters out of love not hate.
This is what the Church has taught for over 2000 years and will always teach till the end of time. No Pope has ever taught and will ever teach anything different because the Holy Spirit will NEVER allow it.
These two don’t play the return leg in Albania unless it’s in an empty stadium.
Interested to see what type of punishment is handed out.
I am hoping it’s more than just a fine and docking of a minimal amount of points. Would be nice to see an example set that this sort of shit by fans is not to be tolerated.
I cannot believe we have a few people on here siding with the Serbs. I don’t care even if for some reason they were not at fault, as a Croat, you never ever side with a Serb.
This debate is so pathetic. We are brainless sheep aren’t we? Sad. A pathetic display in Beograd and here we are in a civil war. Bosna is as much Croatian or Serbian as Arizona is Mexico. Who the fuck wants Bosna anyway? Hercegovina is a different story. We are as Balkan as the Serb. I bet most of you sheep probably tell your friends that we aren’t Balkan…
The Pope did say the following:
When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem…they’re our brothers.
This is good news for Ziva.
Bosnia is Croatia whether the Mujo’s like it or not. The US allowed her to survive in order for us to receive some assistance. The Ottoman scars in this region run long and deep. But since Croats are no longer having children and families I fear for our future. No Surrender!!!
The Pope never said O.K to gay marriage.
The secular media is constantly distorting, twisting, and taking out of context what the Pope actually says to advance their agenda, which is anti Catholic.
Read what the Pope actually said, not what the secular media says he said.
Pop Francis is a good Pope. Not the heritic many think he is.
A big medal to MelbCro.A good chestbeating Junior Croat.Well done.
A guy pretends to be a nationalist and then makes a statement which is completely contrary to traditional Croatian nationalism. And then he gets mad when he gets pulled up on it. Please Mishko the Pravoslavac, outline fro me how the Serbs have any claim to Bosna?
So WTF is your problem?
“Bosnia is Croatian and Serbian land.”
“Also what i said was that Bosna was Croatian and Serbian land.”
MelbCro you are lying cunt because I NEVER said that. Are you Ashkenazi or Orthodox? Regardless you are a lying pile of shit, have a nice day you lying cunt.
ZA DOM you lying piece of shit.
Drinks are on dannyj.
lol guys change the subject…
both sides on this are to be blamed. all in all would be priceless to see serbia not qualify for this watered down tournament
An idiot is someone who says Bosna is Serbian. You are an intellectual midget.
@MelbCro I was arrested by the Serb Militicia when I was 13 and that was over 30 years ago, stop being an idiot. I might be an asshole but I am honest.
@Slavonac, are you fucking serious? Albanians are muslim scum, and the Church has gone to shit because of the current pope, those are facts. Please tell me you’re not serious. Because if you are you need to consider not reproducing children because they might be either blind or retarded.
Mishko exposed as a Serbian sympathiser
Mishko, blasting all Albanians as muslim, and now talking shit about the Cataloic church. You should maybe consider joining your local Serbian church.
The current Pope doesn’t represent the church I was raised in. He’s part of the new world order, and not to be trusted. Didn’t that zionist just OK immigration in all white lands, and ok gay marriage. So you want to have a conversation about that POS?
You idiots have no comprehension of history, even recent history.
Mishko, do you think Rahim Ademi is scum as well?
and Mishko, if all albanians are muslim scum, why did the Pope just recently go to Albania?
@MelbCro,you’re an idiot.
Mishko you’re a fucken idiot. I bet you enjoyed it when the serbs were chanting Ubi Hrvata da Siptar nema brata??? Moron
its cute that you are typing in upper case, that’s called third degree burns
“Bosnia is Croatian and Serbian land.”
And the second quote
“Also what i said was that Bosna was Croatian and Serbian land.”
Tell me again Mishko how you never said it?
MELBO YOU’RE AN IDIOT. I said KOSOVO you drunk kike.
Look at Misko go hahaha. You said twice that Bosna is Serbian land, you are messed up in the head. You are about as much of a nationalist as Josipovic.
And the reason why this mornings events should have Croats punching on with each other is……….?????
@MelbCro, I didn’t agree with you, I merely stated facts. I do get where you’re coming from, you’re a zionist jew that wants to play games. I’m up for that you lying sack of shit.
Can anyone make out what they were chanting. Sounded like kill the Croat Albanian brother?
Thanks for actually agreeing with me Mishko, as you just reiterated once more Serb claims to Bosna. Honestly is this guy for real or is he taking the piss?
The Albanian players didn’t physically attack Mitrovic and Gudelj. But rather, they tried to get the flag from them.
The whole flag-drone thing was a comical prank. But the Serbs crossed the line when they invaded the pitch and attacked the Albanian players. That’s completely un-justified. And I don’t see how anyone can side with the Serbs. The Serbs just went too far.
Because the fans invaded the pitch and started brawling, the Serbs should get docked points.
@ Melbo I gave credit to Serbs owning KOSOVO, NOT Bosnia. You do know that Tito was “sold” as a Croatian, who based on conversations with family members said he wasn’t the Tito from WWI, but a jew Rothschilds that got put into that place. He allowed the Albanians into Kosovo.
Also what i said was that Bosna was Croatian and Serbian land. Sweetheart, get your facts straight before you come attacking me.
Until we rid Croatia of the communists, and the filth, nothing good will happen.
I understand law and would LOVE a REPUBLIC what the U.S. was built on..
sometimes its best to let these clowns post and show what a complete idiot they are.
So, enjoy being with the serbs on this one.
I agree MelbCro this kid is fucking retarded if he thinks any part of Bosna is serbian.
Who is this mishko dimwit, what kind of a Croat nationalist gives legitimacy to Serb claims on Bosna. Get the fuck out of here mate.
HAHA!!! Jump serv, jump and get the flag and you win Kosovo and a week long raping spree. Jump and get the flag and you win Kosovo back. pffff, HAHA!
This is classic, fn serbs have been doing this kind of shit for years, lies and lying all over the internet about history and theyre war crimes and even groups trying to hack into websites, they pat themselves on the back about how they smart they are and bla, bla, boa. HAHA, serbs keep forgetting they’re surrounded by people and nations who aren’t servs. Albanian reciprocal diss had the serbs running after the flag like mice, like a cat trying desperately to catch a bird. HAHA. Jump, jump and get the flag serve!
Anyone backing the Serbs in this is being stupid. The only valid reaction is to laugh at the Serbs for being outsmarted by a bunch of Šiptari.
haha man this is amazing. are u kidding me, I couldnt have dreamt a better plot. Flying a drone with that flag, what a brilliant idea. I look forward to seeing what the punishments will be. Lets face it, the balkan teams should not play eachother in this century, what dont u get uefa, if u haven’t figured it out yet we still really really hate eachother!
Vatren cast “I’m with the Serbs……” Lost any respect I had for you. You should be ashamed of yourself….
I can’t get an avatar right now. Not sure my account isn’t working to get an avatar. I tried to get a new one and now registration isn’t allowed. No idea why that is. What’s the deal fellas?
Can’t wait to see how UEFA figures this one out. Also can’t wait for the Serbs to go to Pristina.
I’m with the Serbs on this one.
After watching that video, I’m just glad the mascot didn’t get hurt.
That was some fine chaos.
@ lika Joey, WTF are you talking about? Those assholes are all muslim scum. Right or wrong, Kosovo is Serb territory. And Bosnia should never have been a country. Bosnia is Croatian and Serbian land.
Learn some history.
vatrena cast, what are you talking about?? I wish the albos smashed the serbs!! God bless Kosovo!
@Bobby V, agreed, I just having setup my televitz to my LAN line.
Also I’m re watching the game right now, I love that they’re playing Thompson during the halftime.
BTW why is Kramaric at 23 playing for Rijeka and not in La Liga, Bundesliga, Seria A or EPL? The kid really impressed me. Good stuff.
@ mishko – You can access ESPN3 through your smart tv, ipad, laptop or smartphone as well.
Imagine if this happened in split. If we played Serbia lets say and they did this, same thing would happen. So I don’t blame the Serbs at all. I don’t blame the player for taking the flag down either because if it’s low enough that he can get it it’s low enough to interfere. I wish the Serbs would have beat the shit out of every single player and fan of the Albanians. Uefa will fine both but in fact only Albania should be fined in my opinion.
Honestly, this was a pretty bad provocation, flying the ‘Greater Albania’ flag in the faces of all the Serb fans and players.
What’s worse is that when Mitrovic and Gudelj took it down, the Albanian players physically attacked them for it. Of course a riot is gonna break out after that.
This whole stunt is hilariously creative, and is entertaining as hell…but the Albanci are just as much at fault for this as the Serbs.
I’d be surprised to see Serbia docked points for this. There will be fines, yes, but I doubt there will be points removed. UEFA will probably just have them finish this match behind closed doors, and have the second match played behind closed doors as well.
Apparently, the Albanian Prime Minister’s brother (Olsi Rama) was found in the VIP box with a remote control in his possession.
Serbian media is reporting that he was controlling the drone with the flag. Whether this is really true or not, who knows.
If they could ban joe for 10 because a few zidici and jugovici got butt hurt, surely the dirty cetniks should be disqualified effective immediately. Why they attempt to treat these animals like people is laughable, when will the world learn that cetniks never change?
Hats off to the albanians they sure know how to make an entry 😀
BTW if you’ve got an xbox and ESPN3 you can still replay the game.
I meant to say aren’t
Anyone catch the other scores today? Scotland has gotten good and so has Ireland. There are any easy games these days and everyone can win.
Greece 0 – 2 Northern Ireland 14 Oct 2014 Football
Poland 2 – 2 Scotland 14 Oct 2014 Football
Germany 1 – 1 R. of Ireland 14 Oct 2014 R. of Ireland
BTW – Anyone know how Kovacic is doing?
All the Albanian statements above are true. Ah, yes, Tie Domi!
They taught the Gypsies everything they know and do.
Here is another video. Recognize the guy in the black t-shirt/shorts walking backwards on the pitch as the leader of the Grobari.
I can’t stop laughing.
ill probably catch some flak here… but i call a number of catholic albanians my friend even a couple of muslim ones
normally they are super good people… but for sure you meet some that are fucking snaky as fuck… heck ive met a couple cros like that in my recent trip back home that would rival the slickest of the jews
but i have to say… you don’t fuck with them… they don’t forget
one of them told me… they never forget… they never let things die there… he said you fuck with say with someone in ones family… for generations they will go back and forth with killing…
@ Bobby V
Mother Teresa je bila katolička .
Belushi was of all things pravoslav?
A pravoslav Albanian, no wonder he was so funny!
That dron was genius .
If all the Kosovars could play under one flag they would beat Serbia like a drum.
Don’t forget that crazy little bastard Tie Domi.
My dad always thought Albanians were fucking nuts.
He didn’t give to many countries people respect but he always said how you don’t want to fuck with an Albanian.
Absolute bedlam in Belgrade!
The Serb fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Albanian players with chairs:
Haha – I grew up in Chicago with some crazy-ass Albanians.
Of all people to use modern technology to disrupt a soccer match – have to give them credit.
Those Serbian fans in the stadium must have been fuming!
Q. Who are the two most famous Albaninas in history?
A. Mother Teresa and John Belushi 🙂
serbs being serbs as per usual i see
Wasn’t impressed with Rebic at all in either game.
Not sure where all the praise was coming from after game 1.
All I saw was guy that keeps his head down too much, tries doing way too much on his own, and doesn’t look to play his team mates in. Oh well, lots of time to get those things right. The skill is there though, but those games were not a good showcase for him in my eyes.
Lavaja looks as ready for the senior squad right now as Rebic does to me.
“Owen Hargrevaes is great on commentary. Very objective and complimentary of Croatian players. Rarely hear that from English commentators.”
Probably cuz he’s Canadian 😉
screw Livaja…..still a headcase, look at hia dirty, dried ink on his arms.
Allen if you don’t want someone posting as you, login to the site and add an avatar 😀
Beograd on fire: players fighting, police on the field, some Albianian are said to be injured after what happened. All after this:
I love England so much I will always remember when they handed over the ustase to my dida Josip at bleiburg BFFs 4ever
Outraged- I just think you aren’t making any sense. All I’m saying is based on what he did in the past 2 games and you come back with “but he’s had a reputation of not being a hard worker. In two major games, he did nothing to prove that reputation wrong”…and then “His two goals were right in front of goal. Very disappointing”
who else scored?
I don’t like the guy myself but based on the 2 performances, how can anyone say “he did nothing to prove that reputation wrong”? what did he do to prove a bad reputation? his goal today was not easy…he worked for it!
Wow I’ve actually had someone post under my name and it wasn’t me. Damn I’m becoming popular on that site. I did post that and fully meant it. Always liked England and always will.
Maybe I’m harsh on Livaja, but he’s had a reputation of not being a hard worker. In two major games, he did nothing to prove that reputation wrong. His two goals were right in front of goal. Very disappointing, but I did overreact to an extent. Still not a player I’d expect to see anytime soon on the NT.
Here is a novel idea. Why not kick Serbia out of the qualifying process all together.
Platini has no ballsack and won’t go that far.
They probably get fined and docked 3 points. I think they had something similar to this type of punishment when they played the Italians in the last cycle of Euro qualifying.
This is truly the “Battle of the Balkans.” Albania was holding their own up until the melee broke out.
Serbian fans entered the pitch and physically attacked Albanian players. Why does this not surprise me. I hope Serbia gets docked points for this.
I know this is what happedned in serbian
U 42. minutu nad stadionom se pojavio ’dron’ koji je nosio albansku zastavu sa porukom na kojoj je bila mapa velike Albanije i male Srbije. Sudija je prekinuo meč, zastavu je uhvatio Stefan Mitrović, a nekoliko igrača Albanije prišlo je i započelo sukob. Stvari su se uskomešale na terenu, neki navijači su uleteli na teren, a sudija Martin Etkinson je pokazao igračima da odu u svlačionicu. Nekoliko navijača koji su ušli u teren napali su Albance dok su bežali u tunel.
You know what from what i saw This youth team doesnt run and play for one another. Most of us on this forum bash Kovac myself included but why did Croatia get 6 points is beacuse they ran and ran and ran in both games covered for one another and played 2 way Football, that is the only way croatia can get results not that LAKO CEMO MI BALKAN ATTITUDE!
Anyone that has an admiration for England cannot be taken seriously.
I didn’t post that.
The game Serbia-Albania has just been interrupted. What happened?
Bad bad Ziva,
Have you hacked Allen Outraged’s computer?
Its so true. I don’t get people. So you’ve never seen him play and the one time you watch him you never want to see him pay again ?
Lets all judge players by one game.
Allen Outraged says:
“I’ll admit I’ve never seen Livaja play in a full game before these playoff rounds. Ziva couldn’t be more right about the guy. Hope he never plays a meaningful minute for the national team.”
I didn’t see the game but based on what I know, he scored 2 goals in 2 games…what do you mean by “Ziva couldn’t be more right about the guy. Hope he never plays a meaningful minute for the national team.”???
The HNL players have no stamina and you could tell that some players were really missed
Focus on Italy and enjoy our boys playing in big leagues all across Europe.
Euro’s and Olympics would stretch is too much anyway.
Plus I need a break from the Brazil dysfunctionality.
Shame to see them lose, when you know that they would win if all our youth players had played.
Surprised to see Perica rot on the bench in both games too.
I guess this was just a showcasing event for players who have not already been sold? I dunno.
I’ll admit I’ve never seen Livaja play in a full game before these playoff rounds. Ziva couldn’t be more right about the guy. Hope he never plays a meaningful minute for the national team.
1 v 4 and Hughes still gets a shot off that goes in. This one is done kids.
That shot seemed like a slow grass cutter but the placement was perfect.
England scores again, it’s 1-2 (4-2 on aggregate and with 2 away goals for England) and Cro is playing equally poor in this half as in the last with seemingly no care about the game (except for Halilovic)
Well I can go to lunch early. Disgraceful performance by Croatia. No urgency and overall movement. Just a lot of waiting and little flicks. Crosses never came up to anything.
I’ve always had a heart on for England, so I’ll at least have one team to support in the under 21’s this summer.
Pjaca wastes a great chance on the outside of the box. Good buildup play from Halilovic at least.
Every time I watch Pasalic, he has disappointed. Not a great dribbler and tends to fade out of games.
1-1 at HT
I agree with Allen… they have looked like crap and you would think England is the team that needs another goal… totally wasted the 7 minutes after the tying (not on aggregate however) goal which was definitely the time to pressure England and go for goal #2
Halilovic was the player of the half for Cro
Players are literally walking around the pitch right now for Croatia. No pressure on the ball whatsoever on England. Hopefully they come out in the second half with some fire. England just playing around with the ball.
Wow Livaja wins a ball and cleverly finishes it. No idea where the other centerback was, but this is a game!
GOAL LIVAJA poaching a long ball
corner for Croatia… ajmo decki!
Croatia is making first sub, it’s around 33′
Rebic coming off (was playing poor and seemed like he was mooping about) and Bagaric coming on
Rebic comes off for no particular reason. Looks like questionable subbing also exists at under 21.
Halilovic is hustling all over the field, at times it appears he is the only Vatreni who is trying their hardest
this game looks lost, we can’t gain or hold possession at all
Halilovic pressing on the England GK created that chance but Livaja just totally wasted it
Look at me Livaja wastes a great chance on a three on one. How surprising…
Za dom spremi chants are the only good thing about this game at the moment.
Can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a player score with his foot in point blank range straight from a corner kick. Somehow England pulled it off.
Well this start couldn’t have been worse. No marking whatsoever on that corner.
early goal for England… not looking good for Cro to advance now
Owen Hargrevaes is great on commentary. Very objective and complimentary of Croatian players. Rarely hear that from English commentators.
Croatia looking threatening in first 3 min… Pasalic forced a nice save from his attempt after a nice cross from the RW
Put the game on and Pasalic misses a sitter. Ugh!!! I just need one goal in the first half.
sorry I have it wrong as Milos is RB and Bradanic is in MF
FYI Halilovic is starting, here is the squad and formation may be something like this:
Milic – Datkovic – Mitrovic – Bradanic
Halilovic – Milos – Pasalic
Pjaca – Livaja – Rebic
Oups wrong me, there is 1 hour of time lag; the game should start in 25 min. 😉
nepoznat : thanks for the link, but there are cartoons! 😀
Maybe the game start at 18h?
@IvicA I heard Halilovic will play for u21s, here you go:
HRT2 feed for the u21 game in 45 min or so:
So… No Halilović, no Jedvaj, no Kovačić, no Brozović, no Radošević and no Ćorić.
Not to mention guys like Pašalić and Perica were on the bench last game.
So I guess it’s just gonna be Rebić n’ Friends tonight against England.
Ante Coric will also miss the match:
For USA Hrvati – I’m pretty sure Fox Soccer Plus is televising the game.
here is a link for later Soul Champ:
He is with the squad…
Kovac already said he may play for them.
Halilovic will not play as he was in Osijek playing against Azerbaijan for the senior squad …
How can access the match in New York?
Add Jedvaj and Halilovic to the mix and you have a whole new look.
Rebic Is due for a goal.
Ajmo dečki !
Halilovic is in the squad.
Will Jedvaj play this time?
Datkovic and Mitrovic did great in England, Jedvaj could help us out as RB since Zuparic, who played RB in England, was out of position several times against England.