Dinamo Zagreb will enter the second qualifying round of the UEFA Champions League and face Luxembourg champions Fola Esch.
The two matches will be played on July 16 or 17 and July 23 or 24.
Sporting Circle Fola Esch is the first club ever in Luxembourg. Founded in 1906 by an English professor, the club has won six league titles, and three national cups.
The club plays its matches at Emile Mayrisch Stadium, which has a capacity of 3,000.
On the other side of European football, Hajduk Split, Lokomotiva and Rijeka will all enter the second qualifying round of the Europa League with matches being played July 18th and 25th. Hajduk Split will play the winner of FK Suduva Marijampole (Lithuania) or FK Turnovo (Macedonia). Second place HNL club Lokomotiva will test their strengths in European competition for the first time versus the winners of FK Kruoja Pakruojis (Lithuania) or Dinamo Minsk (Belarus). And finally, Armada will be in action early this summer as their beloved Rijeka face the winners of Prestatyn Town FC (Wales) or FK Liepajas Metalurgs (Latvia). All three clubs have a good chance to move onto the next round, just as Dinamo Zagreb do in champions League qualifying.
i nominate iggy for poster of the year on this site !!!! ! !
farkkkkkkkkkkkk hurry up and come around 4am lol i wanna see some uzbekis get a smashin
i missed some idiot get a smashin to cilic so there better be some victim of hrvatska coming up soon or my dick will be in knots or something lol
interesting…
nah i jsut in the drink
drinking
ok i smoke sometimes too weed but not that often
mainly alcohols lol
@ Iggy
so the weed must be outstanding down under, huh mate…?
mate i am not gonna go back thru pst threads it really isnt worth the effort but generally bashing the hell out of your fellow countrymen all the time is a good start my furball of a furrrrry lil gfriend
HEHE YOU ARE FURRY AMERICAN !!!
@Iggy……..what kind of anti-Hrvati shit do I say????? please give me examples.
anyway more importantly why dont u cunts buy trackmania stadium its only $10 on STEAM and then we can play as hrvati buddies in matching hrvati cars and smash all da other cunts BE GOO FUN MAN
no not yet i have to stay up all night origin didnt even start yet matey mate
Iggy, ti si pijan!
Ide spavat!
p.s. u cant image link like a message board in case u were unawares lol
http://i39.tinypic.com/rka1qp.jpg
doles any cunt of yous playing trackmania stadium ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Qnws7Njas
or trackmania nations ? represent da hrvatska ?
im iggy2 and drive da hrvatska car
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Iggy with three straight posts, you certainly own the boards right now due to time zone differences. Everyone is sleeping In the Western Hemisphere. Well not everyone lol.
Now’s your chance to tear things up, un-impeded, without censoring.
tonights a great drinking night
1 origin
2 cilic in wimble
3 u20s
BTW njo one answered CAN WE BEAT THAT POWERHOUSE OF FOOTBALL THE UZBEKIS TONIGHT !???
lol @ my mama failed me roflolololol nice 1
also i forgot to say LOL at Sgt K comment about ziva using his serb passport.. nice one lol sometimes the anti-hrvatska shit ziva spouts he almost does sound like a serb lolol
@CvsA i have some salvadori friends who are partyin about that win over aussies haha
tbh i dont give a toss about australia if anything im quite happy to see aussies lose it doesnt bother me in the slightest my blood is as hrvati so i dont support aus at all and if its cro vs aus its the easiest decision of all time who to support lol
@nije Bitno:
Welcome back.
This speculative “regional league” will probably never happen, but it would have to be more of a “Hapsburg” League.
A former Yugo league would have none of the benefits and all the negative BS that everyone is mentioning.
@Ziva:
Like it or not, Croatia does business with all ex-Jugo states.
Too bad Australia lost in the U-20s today. They gotta sharpen their boomerangs and win the last match to have a chance to progress. And they’ll be up against our good ol’ friends the Turks.
Regional league!!! Yes!!!!!!
we shouldnt be surprised about bernie stretching the rules.. he lives at the gold coast (not far from where i am) and he has over the past few years been in the news a lot for various offences (mostly driving) and trouble with the law
like i said hbe is a fucking brat
just watching the news here apparently bernie had `a headache’ took a 10 min timeout..
querrey after the match said.. i felt in total control at 4-1 up in the 4th and.. didn tknow u could take a timeout for a headache ill make sure to remember that for future
heh
I’m the fatty here so fuck you all.
heh heh..
fuckn fatty
I know what state of origin is……..I even follow the AFL. It’s usually on here at around 2am or so.
Brother, I’m not fat, but when I pay good money for tickets I better have service coming at me every 10 minutes. That is what will get me to come back.
ziva:
“When I go to an NBA/NHL/MLS game I can sit in my comfortable seat all game and never have to get up once as I order food, drinks, check emails and other items on my phone”
that might just be amwerica cos americans are big fat lazy chunks of shit who are too obese to be mobile?
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6TMK2q28Pt4IlCDPnSkxzbtQehNwEYzYboUXydTztQQPEGkSm
cos there is no such luxury where i come from if u want something u get up u lazy fatshit .. fuckin fat cunt
also sorry for the long post but being in the aussie timezone every morning i wake up there are 50-100 new posts, and then whilew im awake (during aussie daytime) nothing else is posted at all so im always catching up with shitloads of posts cos u cunts are in cunty timezones
i agree with u ziva about
“Face the facts people…..the HNL sucks and always will suck. It’s a feeder league for bigger, better, stronger leagues. Two absolute studs/talents (Kovacic and Halilovic) the soccer world is talking about wont be at Dinamo by the time they are 19. One is gone and the other will be gone within a year.
This is the reality of today’s game. And I have no problem with it”
yeah, tbh if it serves the repka best for kovacic to go to inter at 18 years of age (or whatrever he was/is?) then i dont mind.. my concern is how the repka perform way above and beyond the local league
its not dissimilar to australia really cos aussie has always had a shitty shitty league but that hasnt stopped them performing well at times internationally.. cos all the good players are in EU..;
and im fine with that too.. club football is boring as my cunt anyway tbh i really only like da internationals the rest is all a bit cunty and commercial for me taste
NOW.. firstly to my fellow aussie sgt K LOL keep up the good binge drinking compadre ! lolol
i did see tomic and i did see him taking a medical timeout for dizziness (i assume u were referring to that ziva?).. this is becoming a trend look at li na in the aus open and that whatshername who slipped and had the leg injury yesterday i forgot her name but she does it all the time (take an injury timeout when they are losing to stem the flow) .. sadly
also sgt K sorry to say i am NOT a tomic fan i have said this before i really am not a big fan of his at all and i was v happy a year or two ago when Marin beat him 6-0, 6-0 6-1 or what5ever it was i think at the US open ?
Tomic is a bloody brat and what shits me is when cunts like him call themselves TOMIK .. FUCK SAY YOUR NAME PROPERLY now we will have cunts saying hrvati names incorrectly in aus again because shitforballs bernie doesnt say his name correctly GRRRR its a pet peeve of mine i dont like that !!
like those cunt newsreaders/ppl on channel 9 ? stefanovic who calls himself stefanovik .. fucking scum
and in ANY case Cilic is far more likely to win than bernie .. im not saying he’s likely but still way more than tomic.. cilic is in good form, played well at queens, looked good yesterday.. nadal has lost, federers getting old finally thank god and novak is in the other half so cilic might go ok this year.. keep in mind he is still only 24 even tho it seems like he has been around a long time.. ITS MARIN’S YEAR FELLAS YEAHHHH BOI
also tonight we play uzbekistan.. thoughts? do we have a chance? im going to be drinking tonight like a sailor because state of origin is on (non-aussies wont know what this is) so ill be up late altho the game is 4am AEST so i dunno if i can stay up till that latwe.. see how we go i guess.. CMON tonight MARIN and U-20’s !! Hope they both have smashin wins !!
@poglavnik. Fuckin Udba
All this jugo league is nonsense. Forget the past. Different times now. The HNL league will always be a feeder league. After EU any kid with real potential will no longer be part of Dinamo or Hajduk system. This is reality.
Udba stalno radi…
Plus, they are also missing servers/waiters at the game to take my food and drink order.
When I go to an NBA/NHL/MLS game I can sit in my comfortable seat all game and never have to get up once as I order food, drinks, check emails and other items on my phone. You are unable to do that in a game in Cro.
Maksimir has the coils and maaaaybe Dugopolje. Everything else you said is correct.
10000000% agreed……
I used the basketball example earlier……….Cibona, Zadar and Split are worse today from a financial view and from a performance standpoint than they were when the jadranksa Liga began.
Face the facts people…..the HNL sucks and always will suck. It’s a feeder league for bigger, better, stronger leagues. Two absolute studs/talents (Kovacic and Halilovic) the soccer world is talking about wont be at Dinamo by the time they are 19. One is gone and the other will be gone within a year.
This is the reality of today’s game. And I have no problem with it. I enjoy watching the top tier leagues and the Champions League because it delivers great entertainment. High TV production while I sit in the fortified basement.
Plus, another thing you guys are forgetting is the current state of the stadium in Cro. You can’t have a regional league without significant upgrades to the facilities. I’ll type it again because it deserves to be said….the stadium in Cro are govno…..terrible bathrooms, terrible service, hardly any food, no decent beer, no wi-fi signal in the stadium, no covered seats to protect me from the rain, no HD scoreboard/replay screens, no comfortable or even clean seats, no fields with adequte drainage systems, no fields with heating coils underneath the grass……..
We (Hrvati) really only had one solid generation of bball players. Serbs were always dominant in that category. However we always produced great soccer talent especially in the yugo era. I have no doubt in my mind that a league of that stature would produce more talent. I could be wrong but that’s just my opinion. I really think it would make kids want to play more. All these kids think they have talent cause dinamo and hajduk blow them up as juniors then they get sold to italy or whatever and you never hear from them again. Kids are bahati these days and think they are better than they really are and choose to go where the money is from the beginning and they get lost in time. I feel a more competitive league, would keep them around longer cause the money would be a bit better than what the HNL provides now. This being said i feel like the players would be on the field more playing tougher opponents then that in the HNL creating more prospects for our Repka in the future.
A regional league won’t bring up the talent, it will diminish it. You won’t bring back the same Yugo league roles that brought the talent up and made it stay at home. That’s the difference. In today’s era of modern football, the nogomet we were brought up with is essentially void. True, nationalism was fervent and that’s because of the aforementioned reasons. Those reasons will not be created. The league would attract major attention at the beginning like kosarka did but then would die down over time as our clubs get worse. You need to look no further than kosarka. The regional leagues diminished our talent. Hrvatska is worse off now than before. Look at Cibona and Zadar. They haven’t done shit. The regional soccer league would be popular at first but it would ruin our soccer down the road. Think of the future.
Thanks Ante B, I wasn’t sure….
If you think our league is crooked now, let the regional league show you how much more crooked it can get.
Grass is not always greener on the other side. BiH is full of rocks.
In my opinion, Sammir is a tier 3 player (if not worse), and people say he’s the best player in our league??? Do we see a problem here or am I the only one that sees it?
It was 28 and you also were taken out of the game for mandatory army service which would last almost up to two years.
Whatever it takes buddy. If Sammir is proclaimed the “best player” in our league then we have issues…..
Well, it wont happen.
If the HNL came up with some crazy age restriction like the yugo league did and also cut the number of teams, you would have a more competitive league.
We wont see a regional league for years to come. But, lets say we did. Then I sure hope the top clubs in Europe all breakaway from UEFA and form their own Super League (something they came close to doing a few years back before UEFA revamped the Champions League).
I rest my case. You agreed that a more competitive league helped them.
Now give me a more competitive league so that i can watch something more exciting than division 9 AYSO soccer!
Of course the yugo league helped them, but they were talented players. If you dont have talent, nothing will help you. Again, I rather rot in hell than play in the same league with the serbs. Plus, as you mentioned, the age restriction (which was clear bullshit) had more of an impact on the quality of the league than anything.
@jock sniffer…….wrong location. You won’t find me in that hell hole.
By the way…..anyone watch daddy’s boy Tomic today and how he bended the rules to win his match. Fricken disgraceful. If he was a journeyman without thsi hype about him he would have been forced to retire the match.
@ Jock Sniffer
lol thanks for the laugh, whoever you are…
Thats BS Ziva. Those players played in a competitive league from the get go not just when they got traded to bigger clubs/leagues. This is whats happening to our younger player now. I feel like more of them would have excelled if HNL was more competitive then going to a big club and riding the bench for years and then later they are forgotten about. Becoming talented is a step by step process (in most cases). I’m not mentioning serbs I’m just mentioning a more competitive league. I forgot what age the players had to be before they were able to be transferred out of the Yugo league?? I think 26?? Playing sides like zvezda, partizan, zeljo, sarajevo etc… would give the players more sense of urgency to play cause now its not just about nogomet anymore its about national pride. Along with playing and competing with national pride your skill escalates and your game is better. This all builds talent.
Who the fuck here calls themselves Balkan. Are we Turks? Why do I always have to explain that our region is SE Europe.
Ziva Istina says:
98 team was talented because they had and were talented players. They would have excelled playing in any league.
Yeah ok, they popped out of their mama in the selo as top-flight nogometasi right?
Hey Ziva, contrary to your over-inflated ego, you really don’t know everything!
ziva – ma kurac !!! you can’t travel to see jadan hajduk anyway when you live in mama’s fortified basement in Cleveland !!!
98 team was talented because they had and were talented players. They would have excelled playing in any league.
Plus, with us joining the EU now, our younger talents will leave the country even sooner now. Many of the talented kids will leave as juniors.
I am all for a more interesting and competitive league. But not at the expense of playing in the same league with the serbs and not be allowing to travel to watch my jadan hajduk.
In order to produce talented players for the repka, our players need to compete at a higher level than the competition they see in the HNL. You have naturally gifted players (1 out of a million) and then most of them just get gifted through tons of hard work and competition. These players don’t play with any sense of urgency in the HNL cause its just as boring for them to play in the league as it is for us to watch it (not to mention that half of the time their paychecks are late). Why was our 98 team so talented???? What type of league did they play in compared to the league our players play in now? A more competitive league!
@Jock Sniffer…..who can wear a small repka jersey, just don’t have someone’s name on the back of it. When you wear another person’s name on the back, then you have failed, your parents have really failed and you are indeed a jock sniffer.
correction………
@Armada……what makes you think the central euro countries want to partner with Cro? if they want Cro, they will want Serbia.
In most cases perception = reality. And most people (the majority) count Croatia as part of the Balkans.
I rahter have our league fall aprt and every club fall apart thanks to banruptcy than to ever see the day we are in a league with the serbs.
@Armada……what makes you think the former yugo countries want to partner with Cro? if they want Cro, they will want Serbia.
In most cases perception = reality. And most people (the majority) count Croatia as part of the Balkans.
I rahter have our league fall aprt and every club fall apart thanks to banruptcy than to ever see the day we are in a league with the serbs.
i wear size small reppka jersey —- does that mean I will always be small????
Keep thinking small and you stay small……
and as a FYI – I’m not an advocate for a regional league right this second, no matter who we would partner with. We have to get our doma straight before we partner with other countries – cause last time I checked, the HNL is not the healthiest of leagues…
My point is eventually, if it were to happen down, down the road, I would rather partner with Central Europe than former Jugo
Yeah! Let’s have a Regional League. No it should really be a Balkan League, with Bosnia, Kosovo, Serbia, CG, and Macedonia. Oh wait, gotta include our Ottoman brothers the Turks.
I can’t wait to see the league symbol, a Cross, 2 White Eagles, and a Cresent moon. The Kunas, Dinars, and Turkish Liras will be flowing from Sponsorship and Television deals. I can’t wait to see Turk Telekom on Dinamo and Hajduk Kits.
NO, NO, NO a regional league doesn’t make sense, whether its with the Serbs, or just with Central European nations. I like to keep things ALL CRO!
And if a Regional League did make sense–Austria-Hungary, Czech-Slovak, would have already created their own mini-Regional Leagues by now.
Where are the articles on our U20 team? You guys are slipping 🙂
I dunno… maybe my view is different just cause my family hails from Istra/Kvarner and aside from meeting Serbs, Bosanci, etc. on my own as I got older, I never interacted, dealt with them, etc. growing up so for me there isn’t much of a difference between a Serb and Greek, aside from the fact that a Serb speaks a similar language to mine..
@ Ziva
We need to operate at a more functional standard then the rest of the former jugoslav republics.
For centuries we have been a part of Central Europe why do you concede that we be lumped into the Balkan market?
Jebi ga.
Get creative with the rest of the smaller footballing nations and make something happen.
Dinamo is Dinamo, Split is a historic club and Rijeka can be cultivated.
HNL is crap! I just want to watch nogomet that is more entertaining than my godson’s AYSO division 9 league.
but who exactly says, just cause we use to be one country, that we’re all one market or “the same crap” – by you claiming that, isn’t that a Jugo view, in and of itself?
and who/what exactly sees the Balkans that way – as us being all the same market? someone throw me a bone here; an article, a wikipedia page even…
last time I checked, there is a big difference between even Slovenia/Croatia and Serbia/BiH/Kosovo/Crna Gora – politically, economically, development wise, etc. Not saying the EU is by any means good, but there is a reason Slovenia and Croatia were the first two former Jugo republics to accend to the EU.
I think at this point in time, while we do have a long history with all the former jugo countries, presently, we have more in common with countries like Slovenia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, etc.
xenophobic?
I had little doubt this thing would go off the rails!
Ha ha ha
@MatesicMethod…..Hrvatska will not be getting into any regional league without the former yugo countries also attached alongside. Why would someone invite Cro and not the other former yugo countries??? To repeat what I said earlier: a soccer administrator in a central european country or an advertising executive in a central european country or a TV executive in central european country will view Croatia as the same as BiH, Serbia, Crna Gora. It’s all one market to them and not individual markets.
Amen! That is why no-one fucking goes to games!!!!!!!!
I’m for a more competitive league so give it to me…
OUR CURRENT LEAGUE AND MATCHES ARE BORING ZA POPIZDITI!!
On this one I have to agree with my xenophobic brothers.
We need to look to Central Europe not the backwards Balkans.
What we need is to clean up our on federation and have it work to the best of its ability.
I would be down for a Central European league minus the Balkan BS.
July 1st ready or not REALITY will set in.
I really cant believe we are having a conversation about a regional “yugo” league.
That has about as much of a chance taking place as the following idea: forget the “yugo” league, why don’t we ask the Italian federation if we can just join Serie A. Shit, Rijeka and Istra are almost good fits anyway.
negative, deputy Cucumber……..
My parents did their job. Now, its up to me to educate and teach some of you and lead off where your parents stopped or made no attmept.
@ Ziva Istina
this is easy for people to understand…….
supporting a regional league = your parents failed you as a child
How does support for an economic/sporting endeavour reflect at all on how you were raised?Let’s start measuring the biggest Croatian cocks again. Here we go!
Stupidest fucking comment yet.
Ziva, your parents failed you as a fuck
“Besiktas have signed as new coach the former manager of Croatia, Slaven Bilic.”
this is easy for people to understand…….
supporting a regional league = your parents failed you as a child
Anonymous, pravi yugoslav
I see that the supporter groups in Croatia are against it. How many Protiv Regionalne Lige have you seen?
A, fuck off cunt!
The funny thing re all the comments on here is that in CRO, nobody gives a shit anymore about nationality.
Only the izseljenistvo!
It has been proposed in the past that instead of a league, they should do a yearly ex YU tournament. What do you think about that? I’m still on the nikad vise train
I understand the history of WWII. Wasn’t comparing it to the war for independence, just making a point about the KHL. Whatever, In the end we both agree we don’t want a league with Serbia.
My hatred for serbs will never be healed. At least not in my lifetime.
Oh Colin….
WWII wasn’t a war that split Russia apart into autonomous countries. It was a war against the Nazis, which all Soviet republics fought together.
Dont even compare our war for independence with WWII, completely different.
kolin, fu7ck the jugo league ever fuken
Ziva – Exactly. That’s what I was reffering to when I said “Time heals all wounds” In another 55 years, we can start talking about joining with Serbia in a regional league.
@Colin…..sure, 70 plus years ago they did. But, not recently.
This is such a dead argument. Every 18 months or so something like this gets mentioned and nothing ever happens.
To those who like the idea of a “yugo” league…….if i cant travel to a game in BG, what is the point of playing the match.
niije@nice to see you,@ cripler, do you have any news on bandog a cro mma team visitnt Australia?
Halo @Kolen fuken i shifa, even without mamic to give up on yor on lig lyk bych i sey is no gud!
Regional league? I don’t see it happening. Would it be better and more competitive nogomet? ABSOLUTELY! In all other sports we are doing it and we are not labeled “YUGO” why would soccer label the league “YUGO”?? This would unite fans within cro and turn their focus on other firms. Still way too early in my opinion. Like Ziva mentioned what is the point if you cant go on the road to support your club cause #1 it will probably be banned or #2 you will have a big chance of leaving injured. I love my slobodna Hrvatska but i also love competitive nogomet and our HNL is not producing that. Would love to see Hajduk, Dinamo and any other teams from the HNL play teams from bulgaria, romania, bih, crna gora and serbia…
Just wont happen anytime soon.
Ziva – Russia didn’t have an all out war? WWII comes to mind.
Russia didn’t have an all out war. Plus, all those countries still have great relationships with Russia and need Russia for their economies. Different situation. Hell, some of those former Soviet republics would love to be back in the fomer USSR.
KHL has big money backers (billionaires)…..
Any discussion of a regional league would have to include the serbs and because it would include the serbs I want nothing to do with it.
Also, I still don’t see how it improves croatian soccer. The top players would still be leaving ASAP. No kid coming up today is dreaming about playing in a unified southeastern Euro soccer league. They are dreaming about playing in one of the top leagues in the world. A regional league signals the death of the HNL. So, hajduk and Dinamo can go play with the serbs and others, but clubs like Rijeka, Osijek, Cibalia would be left for the dead.
@Anon – Try telling that to any Ukrainian. They want to be a part of the USSR just as much as any Hrvat wants to be part of Jugoslavija again.
@Sgt. K. We need google translate just to understand the english you are trying to type. Maybe you should get to bed. Damn crazy Aussies! 😀
Cetniks are fine, let them be, Hrvats are better.let the mujos cedos play in theirr own league if they likr fuckem, i’m fuken hamered and i dont give a fuken shit, lizati moj loptice, please check if thare is ygo google translate
Russia is different. Half or those ex-soviet nations want to be/still think they are part of the USSR.
I watched the Partizan-Crvena Zvezda match a few weeks ago. The stadium was sold out, the atmosphere was as if they were playing for the championship of a league that actually mattered. If there was a regional league, it would be stupid (to a business standpoint) not to include Serbia. But for obvious reasons, we should never do that.
On the ohter hand, look how successful the KHL is. Russia has teams from all their former Soviet nations with little problems. Time heals all wounds, huh?
And what has the regional basketball league done for Cro????? Nothing. I can actually make the argument that Cibona, Zadar and Split (the top three clubs in Cro) are worse today than they were when the Jadranska Liga began.
It sure hasn’t helped the national team.
For those of you who prefer to partner with serbs when there is no need to partner with them, then by all means go ahead and embrace each other.
Hvala Bogu?
Too bad Ronaldo will have flown the Nou Camp by then! LOL
Ancelotti + Modric = CL title!
Finally we will see Madrid flow through Modric.
Ancelotti played as an intelligent MF and will know that Ronaldo is the body of the team but Modric is the heart.
Fala Bogu that FOX 1 will be showing Madrid matches this season.
What i get you got to give it to yopur mama! Give it away now.Look at me swiming in my ability, zach killer sports report, high 5 your bejatch from oz from me!
As I said previously, if you set out believing it could never happen you can always find reasons for it to not work.
I’ll leave it at that, this string has been exhausted.
Also, good to see daddy’s little boy Tomic get a win for a change.
@Sude mi……..if you think a regional league will take place without the serbs and Partizan and Zvezda, then you are crazy. That is the same as some crazy serb on their version of servsports.com claiming a regional league should be formed without croatia. Any league would have to feature them. Again, back to my original post….the people in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary view as in the same light as the serbs. We are all one for them.
Plus, the serbs have almost twice the population we do. So, if you want to keep using your argument, the serbs have more potential eyeballs for TV and more potenial consumers for sponsors. So, your idea id dead upon arrival.
The mouth breathers have returned….
youi cxan gho and get fucked ya cunts, som4e cunt is writing on my be half, i sit here with cigarettess annd bourban while stroking my balls in melbourne, go Tomic you sick young fuck, i’m behind you, not in a sexuyal way
Ante B.
A regional league? Nikad vise sa Srbima. There’s 20,000 reasons why we should never join a regional league…ever.
In the proposals mentioned above, Serbs would be excluded from the concept.
Ziva, they also said the Berlin Wall would not come down in our lifetime….
A regional league? Nikad vise sa Srbima. There’s 20,000 reasons why we should never join a regional league…ever.
@Iggy
Also Bayern are one of the other clubs that make money, and have been making it for quite some time. They were the ones that pulled BvB out of squalor and back into the league.
http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/en/news/news/2012/38173.php
Sgt.Krastavac
You didn’t answer my questions……why.
What did I do to you?
@Iggy
Arsenal are actually one of those teams making money. Even though they are in debt, they are one of the few clubs doing it right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPVZwhddG4
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/iron-sheik–the-man-behind-the-mask-224707360.html
Great artiicle about the Iron Sheik and his partner Nikolai Volkoff, whose real name was Josip Peruzovic – his father was Croatian. He was also a member of the 1967 Yugo weightlifting team.
ziva you can use your serb passport to go and watch the game,
There is some wishful thinking going on here…….
First, I see a lot of mentions that the league should include teams from Austria, Czech Rep., Slovenia, Hungary and move away from BiH, Serbia, Crna Gora, etc……News flash…….The people living in Austria, Czech Rep., Slovenia, Hungary view Croatia in the same light that we view BiH, Serbia, Crna Gora. We are part of that mix. Hate to break that to you. The Czechs would be more inclined to form a league with Slovakia and invite Hungary and their other neighboring countries than invite countries who were part of the former yugo and would battle each other in the streets.
Also, the TV revenues would not be that big. Yes, they would be more than what any of these clubs currently get, but you are still talking about a third-tier league. Best case scenerio is the league would give each club around $2 million, and that is an optimistic view. Me personally, I would still watch the EPL, La Liga, Seria A, Bundesliga on a weekend over this league. I’m sure that Zeljo – Slavia Prague match will draw eyeballs.
And what makes anyone think more than 2 clubs from Cro would participate in the league. It would be Hajduk and Dinamo and that is it. Without those two in the HNL, the rest of the HNL would be a disaster. I’m sure the current TV partners and sponsors of the HNL would be against this idea as well.
I don’t want any sort of involvement that features a league with teams from Serbia. If I, as a fan of jadan Hajduk, am unable to go to BG to watch my team play Partizan or Zvezda, then I want no part of the league.
sudi me, sorry i forgot about homos buddy
What’s a pom?
Why would one be a cetnik for suggesting a league that does not include Serbs?
Inquiring minds would like to know….
Btw, who says anything about begging your neighbours to act? Cooperation could breed a win-win financially for everyone. The current model obviously doesn’t work.
won’t happen , unless your a cetnik, if you can’t take care of your own league and beg your neighbours to act, fuck it, give it some time. Poms have had 100 years to get their shit together.Take it easy for fucks sake!
There will always be the glass half-empty, half-full positions when it comes to things like this “Regional league.”
As there are always arguments for/against such an idea.
1. Promotion – this will foster competition to move into the top Regional league similiar to what happens in the EPL and Championship; the big carrot for those Championship teams to move up? GUARRANTEED TV money!
2. Qualification to the CL and Europa League could be worked out….presumably the top 3 teams from Croatia in this Regional League could qualify as they do now, notwithstanding a higher future team coefficient based on this becoming a stronger league.
3. People still go to English Championship games in droves, particularly for those teams battling for promotion to the top-flight. Not to mention, you could set up some sort of a “fund” for each home country league from tv revenues, to sustain those clubs.
4. Fan voilence. If you don’t include Serbs, Bosnia and Crna Gora you have less chance of mass violence. I’ve argued this before though, if the English could more or less eradicate fan violence at matches in the 80’s, then others can to. It takes a will to do so, money, intelligence and cooperation.
As I said in opening, if you begin the supposition that it can’t be done, you can always find reasons to say it never will.
If there is a will, there is a way.
iggy, i’m from Melbourne, our brother tomic will win wmbledon with a sarma on my face and some cevaps on my ears!
@ Jack
1. Promotion/Relegation is a major concern. And if the teams become fixed like the MLS, then it won’t give other Croatian clubs a chance to get promoted and play in this “Regional League.”
2. Ok, and how would qualification to the Champions League and Europa League work for teams in this Regional League? How will it work for the remaining Croatian teams in the HNL?
3. Taking the 3 best Croatian teams out of the league will pull quality out of the HNL, reduce fan interest, and make the state of HNL even worse. This is one reason they didn’t allow Celtic and Rangers to join the Premership.
4. Fan violence with other Ex-Jugo nations is a big problem.
Because of the Flaws, this “Regional League” won’t ever happen. And we already have two regional leagues in the form of the Champions League and Europa League.
Dodig comes from 2 sets down to tie it up and take a break in the 5th before #16 seed retires
I agree with you re the regional league and the make-up for obvious security reasons.
The tv numbers will ultimately drive this type of set-up. TV is ALWAYS looking for content, and IF the “power brokers” from the key teams could ever look beyond the piddly fees they get by selling players (see mafiosa Mamic) and could think BIG, they would realize this is the way to go.
Unfortunately, other than a few successful businessmen, when has it ever been said Croatians are progressive, foreward looking businessmen?
Eventually there will be a revelation. Eventually.
that post 6 above was not mine
Dodig broke Kohlschreiber in the fifth set and then Kohlschreiber gave up. Dodig wins!
dodig back to 2 sets all surprisingly..
@ Horvat
I think the best type of league would be something similar to what Medvescak use to play in for hockey (the Erste Bank liga) where the teams are from Austria, Czech Rep., Slovenia, Hungary, etc. Not that any of those leagues or the teams in those leagues are amazing, but I feel like they have there shit together more than Serbia, Crna Gora, Bosna, etc. plus fan violence would be guarenteed… no matter how much beefed up security would be at some of the games. Hypothetically, say if Dinamo played Zvezda the first time, you know a shitload of people are getting arrested, going to the hospital, etc. Then UEFA would come in and fine the pants off us… Lose, lose, lose situation if we partnered with our old nieghbors to the East. Much rather prefer teams from Central Europe – when the time is right though.
A regional league will happen one day and serbia will be included. We’ve seen it in basketball and handball.
I dont want to see it, but it will happen…..eventually.
Blackhawks!
Rob I @ iggy, mater would say jebem ti sin sammir u supak sto ne giv mamic hiy 5
I would like to see a regional league, but definately without Serbia or Bosna. Eventually, someone would die.
This match looks beyond Dodig now
@ Jack
I know those countries aren’t former Jugo, but when talking to ultra conservatives about any type of regional nogomet league, people start freaking out
dodig currently losing to kohlschriebber
@ Sgt. Krastavac
Can you imagine what his mum would say if he went to Red Star?
‘Tata ce poludit, nemoj sine, molim te nemoj – Ti si pravi Hrvat’
@Ziva, that is some funny shit!
God damn jugo commie lovers. Delusional bunch.
hahahahaha SGT K
best comment ive seen in a while
“all i know is that Sammir would never play for red star because of his Croatian heritage.”
hahaha thanks u made my laugh for the day ! : )
@Croatia vs. Antwerp:
There would still be an independent Croatian league minus 2 or 3 teams.
There are a lot of flaws, but it would lead to more consistent pay for HNL players.
The HNL teams would hopefully have more financial incentive to develop/sell players and in turn could pay their bills.
Relegation/Promotion would be a concern. Or would it be like MLS, with preordained teams remaining in perpetuity.
The player nationality requirements would be another concern.
Personally, I would want the teams to be fielded with only players from that nation.
Although this would probably hurt Croatian players who are commonly exported.
Maybe something like:
60% players from home nation
30% players from other nations within league
10% players from other nations
http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/croatia/export-import.html
This is who Croatia does business with by percentile.
Are Austria, Hungary,Slovakia and the Czech Repucblic former Jugo countries? I must have missed that in history class.
4 million TV viewers in Croatia. 50-55 million TV viewers in those combined countries. TV viewers = advertising = $$$.
That is how the world works.
Any way their would still be a HNL for all the other teams, all i know is that Sammir would never play for red star because of his Croatian heritage.
i wouldnt mind being in a regional league with most of those countries
but not serbia.. no fucking way i srsly wouldnt want anything to do with those cunts at all avoid wherver possible plz those scum
imagine the corruption in a jugo league, how would they agree who runs the leauge, although their would be much more to discuss on this site.
@29-XI-1943
And a bunch of broke as mofos come together guess what, there still broke.
there’s a cock down my pants..
.. and it cums with a matching pair of balls !
Oh yeah it will happen, maybe not today maybe not tomorrow but one day.
@jarac
Because a single arrow is weak and can be snapped with little force, but a bunch of arrows held together can become impossible to break.
@ Jarac
There is no point to the league. Croatian teams would win every year anyway. 🙂
Jugo lovers can only wish for such a thing, think of this, why would a league help. Croatian league = broke, montenegrin league=broke, serbia = broke, bih = really broke, u getting the picture here.
How does putting a bunch of broke ass clubs together get u anywhere?
This Jugo league ain’t happening–EVER. It’s one fantastic piece of fiction endorsed by Jugo-lovers. The concept has so many flaws which make it is so unrealistic.
I stand by a Independent Croatian League. And the U-20 team, all the players were born in an Independent Croatia.
@Armada:
I left 3 spots in Hrvatska for your beloved Rijeka. I have always had a soft spot for them.
@ Jack
too many yugo-phobes would say that’s one foot in the door from being Jugo all over again…
it’ll happen one day, just not anytime soon…
Selling clubs like Dinamo, Porto and Ajax make money because they steadily produce players for export.
Hajduk could be like that, but I doubt it will come to fruition.
As much as many don’t want it, a regional league would provide more competition and higher TV rights for the larger 2nd tier clubs.
Super Regional League
Croatia- 3 teams
Slovenia – 1 team
BiH- 1 team
Montenegro – 1 team
Serbia – 3 teams
Slovakia – 2 teams
Czech Rep – 3 teams
Hungary – 3 teams
Austria – 3 teams
all u fucks going on about how these clubs dont make me money
sorry, is there a football club on earth that DOES make money? My understanding was that the barcelonas and real madrids and ac milans are in huge debt arent they??
so i wouldnt carry on about small clubs being some special kind of fucked up that the major leagues aqre exempt from ?
If Dinamo makes it through this match, is the qualifing stage 3 still split between champions of the countries in one group and another group with non automatic qualifiers from the top leagues?
If this is the case, then Dinamo has another realistic chance of making it through to the main stage.
the funny thing about the Hajduk was I just was reading about a Canadian pharmaceutical company interested in buying AS Bari in Serie B which is the club of my wife’s family and we were all laughing and made up basically the same conversation that Ziva just did for Hajduk
http://www.football-italia.net/35621/canadian-company-buy-bari
@ Sude Mi
Dude you can’t view the founding of football clubs through a 2013 lens. Older teams like Hajduk (1911), Sparta Prague (1893), Austria Wien (1911) were found in a time when dudes wanted to get squads together and play other cities. Period. There was no sponsorships, deals, bla bla bla. And after you’re club is around for ages, no one is gonna have the jaje to shut it down due to it not being a money maker. Nowadays yeah, buying a sport franchise, unless you’re buying an NFL team, the Yankees (or a big time MLB team) and a big time European football team, owning a sporting franchises is usually a losing financial endeavor.
As in the Detroit Lions Suh?!? I’m sorry but there literally is no better reaction than this:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAABAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHA AHAHAHAHANAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHA
the only people making money are those (agents/managers) who get a piece of any contract and transfer.
I would suggest that simply because the story suggested “American businessmen” does not mean there weren’t any participants in the group who are “wise” to the Croatian way of doing business.
We shall see….
To Armada, someone makes money otherwise these clubs wouldn’t exist, correct?
lolol @ Ziva
I don’t think that’s too far from the actual conversation that went down…
no teams from Central Europe (I’m not going to even match us with or Balkan neighbors) are money makers. Look at similar 10 team leagues that are more or less at the same level as us:
Slovenia
Czech Rep.
Slovakia
Austria
Do you think other top teams in the region like Slovan, Sparta Prague, Salzburg, Olympija, Maribor, etc. are money makers? Of course not. Even with a legitamate, clean league (say for example the Gambrinus Liga, which I haven’t really heard reports of corruption, mafia, etc.) it’s not like top teams are big time money makers…
Like others have mentioned, once any potential investor gets a whiff of the sranje in this league, I’m sure they’re going to run for the hills. Hell, sometimes I wonder what Volpi was smoking when he bought Rijeka, but hey – we can at least lay claim to being one of the handful of Prva Liga teams who pay their players on time, so fala bogu to whatever Volpi was smoking.
Can you imagine the lies that were given to these Americans from the people in Split.
City of Split: Yes, yes…..dis is Hajduk Split. We great club. If u invest money, everyone is winner. (all said with bad accent)
Americans: Well, we must look into it first. This could be a great opportunity for all of us, but we must carry out our due diligence first.
City of Split: (turning his back to the Americans and whispering to his colleague). Brale, kakav due dilligence? Jebote due dilligence!!! Ako oni otvaraju knige, gotovi smo.
City of Split: (speaking back to the Americans): Yes, yes, we understand. Pa, nema problema. (all said with bad accent).
Americans: Great, send us your financials via fedex and we will begin the process.
City of Split: (turning his back to the Americans and whispering to his colleague). Vidi ovo…..kaze da mi moramo poslati dokumente. Nek idu u tri picke materine.
City of Split: (speaking back to the Americans): Yes, yes…..
I disagree.
If you could clean it up fiscally I believe you would do well given their stature and history, the players the school has developed and the league they are in vis a vis CL entry.
It also gives you an in as far as working to improve the HNL.
We’ve been through this before, I’m an optimist and I know others see the league as a cess pool.
Again, buy low sell high as long as you have big balls, lots of patience and a willingness to roll up your sleeves and make changes.
There is not much upside even if you improve Hajduk.
Buy low sell high!
Smart businessmen will jump in when they see an opportunity, happens all the time.
If they are smart (and American’s are some of the smartest businessmen in the world) they would buy the whole thing, sans the debt; no freaking local swindlers I mean partners. Otherwise, wait until they file for protection and get it for nothing.
Partnership? Nisu ludi, ili mozda jesu? We will see….
@ jadan Hajduk sale
is June 24th “June Fools Day” in the homeland? is this the work of some hackers maybe?
why would some random American businessman and Ndamukong Suh (LMAO) be interesed in buying a club that’s a complete financial mess?
at least this gave me a laugh today…
Mamic won’t allow it.
Just wait until those guys and their reps get into serious discussion with the city of Split over purchase of the majority of the shares and who will cover the debt of the club……those guys will change their tune and sprint to the airport to get away from the politicans of Split.
File this one as “no chance in hell”
I mean… that’s as favorable as you can get
no reason why Rijeka/Hajduk/Loko don’t make it past this round… Never say never, with Croatian teams not named Dinamo in Europe, but it could of been a tougher draw…
HAHAHAHA Anybody else see this today? I would guess it’s total BS, but if not, more power to Hajduk I guess.
http://www.tportal.hr/sport/nogomet/270044/Misteriozni-Amerikanci-pojavili-se-u-Splitu-i-zele-kupiti-Hajduk.html
http://www.croatiaweek.com/american-consortium-interested-in-buying-hajduk-split-football-club/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=american-consortium-interested-in-buying-hajduk-split-football-club
true, but the Europa League is a second-tier tourney and is treated as such by the top euro clubs. Tough call.
I’ll consider the Europa Cup worthy when they stop admitting the thrid-place finishers from the Champions League group phase.
I would rather see Dinamo play in Europa League than embarras themselves in Champions League again.
Hajduk Split vs. Turnovo/Suduva
Rijeka vs. Prestatyn Town/Liepajas Metalurgs
Kruoja/Dinamo Minsk vs. Lokomotiva Zagreb
talk about a hand wrapped gift – hope Dinamo make another trip back to the Groups
keeping my fingers crossed Rijeka get some garbage side from some minnow country…